VERY Minor Pokemon Resistance/Hax Upgrade

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Dusknoir had outside help , but ya reminded me i gitta make the profile for him .

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I already explained it. A statement isn't needed.

Shedninja already tried blasting open the portal to the togepi dimension with a blatent pure power attack and failed. He needed assistance from 2 other Ninjask to force open the portal. Its exactly the same as Gotenks and Piccolo joining forces to try and open the portal in the HTC (only one succeeds, the other fails without SSj3)

If was involving hax insteed of sheer power, an already superior Shedninja wouldnt have needed help from 2 Ninjask to open the portal. The only pokemon who opens it via hax, for obv reasons, is Togepi.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Could be a ninjas thing , honestly after gen 5 trick room could honestly see it .

Picvolo explicitly linked it to power though .

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yes but what exactly is haxy about a Solar Beam and Hyper Beam? Unless someone can explain this really well, these moves are literally just energy beams, far from hax as you can get. It should be common sense that this involves sheer power, for Piccolos case his statement just adds more fuel to the fire.

And since they only used solar and hyper beam combined, I don't at all think its just a them thing really.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Buggo magic , hell if i know.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Exactly. If we don't have a proper explanation for it, or reason to assume it'd be hax, it should be looked as the same as Vice Shout.

There really is no difference. For DB, Piccolos statement just makes his case more explicit. For Pokemon, we have a demonstration.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

In dbz we also got like 7 examples on top of that .

We don't actually see anything replicate , Goku , Jiren , Vegeta , and gotenks and Buu and Piccolo support it .

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

What examples?

Gotenks and Piccolo are the only ones who actually know about Vice Shout. Buu is debatable since his was accidental.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Buu can do it, Gotenks and piccolo can do it .

Vegeta broke out of the time chamber twice . Probably in the same way , minus yelloing .

Goku , Jiren broke hits dimension .

There is precedent for more powerful characters effecting space - time and in conjuction with piccolo ya can easily assume every one more powerful can do it .

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh I know they can do it, thats why I said those 3 are the only ones who'd even know about Vice Shout. This was actually addressed in the actual thread.

Also, my bad, but effecting space-time isn't the argument anymore no? Just portal creation since that's what was decided for Vice Shout, not actual space-time control. The same is being argued for Pokemon here.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Problem there is that we got a statement that piccolo stated anyone strong enough can do it , then we got 4 more instances of busting out of dimensions on a far higher scale by people stronger , confirming it just about .

None of that exists here .


Portal creation through space time manipulation.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

And how would that invalidate this?

There's nothing haxy about what Shedinja and Ninjask did, they needed to combine their power to even do the feat. What part of this is different from DB?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

No other Pokemon in existence replicated anything similar so no reason to scale , no Pokemon have a statement stating in fact it could be performed by the non in 1uestion and no statements exists stating it is a product of power or something .

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Just like a majority of the ToP characters? No other pokemon replicated this because they not only never had prior knowledge of it, they never had a reason to. Just like with Vice Shout.

Solar Beam and Hyper Beam = Product of power. They are literally energy beams, thats it. Nothing about them are hax. It'd be very silly to say a stronger hyper beam or solar beam wouldnt do the same thing. Not to mention, if power wasn't involved, Shedinja wouldnt need assistance from 2 inferior forms of itself to force open the portal. The fact it tried blasting it open solo and failed means it wasnt strong enough. Why a statement would be needed for this, im not seeing at all.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Except we got people like Jiren , Goku and Vegeta doing basically the same thing , with no prior information on a mere whim .


Dbz had everything line up , statements , reoccurring usage , Stronger characters doing the same thing but on a larger scale , etc . Nothing like that exists here .

Maybe it had something to do with the dimension overlap with the togepi dimension , considering the only time it ever happened when it happened there . If not oh well , I'm fine with noncada getting it but everything Nah .

 

[AguilaR101]

At best this is the ability to attack through dimensions so if it ever gets added it should be just that, to avoid wank (like vice shout in other sites)

 

[NeoZex6399]

Dusknoir had outside help , but ya reminded me i gitta make the profile for him .

I'm pretty interested.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I said majority. And even then, those are feats nothing like vice shout, which is strictly portals.

Because of reasons I already just said and it'd be very weird for Pikachu to start making portals out of the blue during battles accidentally (funny tho OvO).

And I already told you the world's already live in a regular balance, and they did it that time because the trainer wanted to lure out Togepi. Unless we wanna say the same thing for HTC?

If Ninjask and Shedninja have this, there's no reason why stronger pokemon wouldn't be ever able to do the same thing. Your best bet would be to prove Solar and Hyper beams being hax to shut this down.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

At best this is the ability to attack through dimensions so if it ever gets added it should be just that, to avoid wank (like vice shout in other sites)

Agreed. Thats all im asking for since the Vice Shout thread, nothing else.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

>Implying i wabted portal creation .

Nah just space time destruction . Which is what everyone can do .


Not really an example .

But did ya watch the subbed.

Or ta can find another example of another Pokemon doing that or a statement both work for me man but not without .

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I already told you, there's literally no subbed versions. Or at least a place where it can be found. Everywhere I went its dubbed, even *********. So until then, the dub is what's going to be used. It's the only thing that can be used.

We also need to stop with "this statement stuff". I'm sorry if this comes off as rude as that's not my intention, but pokemon doesn't need a statement for this just because DB had one. Different verses. And unless you have evidence its 100% obvious that sola and Hyper beam are completely power based.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Problem there then .

Well either we get a statement or we get another showing by a dufferent Pokemon .