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The travelers used to be interstellar travelers. We know that this all happened inside of Teyvat because only one of them is a descender. The sky is fake, but that does not make it small.
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Genshin 4A downgrade...
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I think you guys are misunderstanding something about Fake sky on a basic level. I'm not saying all stars in genshin are fake. The fake one are the one on the barrier. The real one still exist beyond the barrier and most of them are dying one by one. That's what Primordial One didn't want people to know that Cosmo is ending soon. Travelers came from outerspace beyon the barrier, that's why they have seen real stars unlike Teyvat natives.
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If the realm is even fictional and the fact that R>F has been a concerning subject for this the entire time, then obviously it doesn't work.
R>F yet the world is claimed to be fictional, yet, the Traveller has to put in effort to killing the enemies within those realms, and there's a health bar and it can decrease, meaning Traveller can also die to those enemies
R>F yet the world is claimed to be fictional, yet, the Traveller has to put in effort to killing the enemies within those realms, and there's a health bar and it can decrease, meaning Traveller can also die to those enemies
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What happened when you die? Didn't you simply respawn??? lol Are you even serious about debating at this point
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I genuinely can't take you seriously, no offence.
Anyways, this explanation should help you:
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A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...
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Respawning or not, those enemies even being able to inflict harm upon Traveller absolutely disqualifies any possibility of R>F.
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Only one of the Travellers is a descender. The other is a Teyvat native.
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It's a videogame. The player character has to put in effort and time along with having a risk of defeat to obtain the rewards - basic game mechanics. If it was easy then Hoyo wouldn't profit. Or do you want to start upscaling Hydro Slimes to Sovereign tier because one of them could punk my Neuvilette in there?
Maybe if your argument depicted said enemies actually inflicting lasting injuries on the Traveler that had effect on their body outside the fictional worlds in the story or narrative, it could be valid. But this isn't it. There's nothing to indicate that Imaginarium isn't just the equivalent of a VR adventure just done with witch magic.
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What? It's has been already stated that not all outlanders are descenders. Those who have enough will to rival an entire world are considered as Descender. This description also stated that Traveler sibilings are ruler of an entire world before which is clearly outside of Teyvat.
I don't know much about rules regarding that. We should get expert input on that matter. But I think going inside the fiction can equalize both. It's the same as playing VR. you can get an avatar inside that can interact with the world. But you are unharmed irl. Kirara is the avatar or echo is the cat that Mage like to pet. It's stated here that all life in Simulanka must comform with the image created by the Mage. It's clear that they are adjusted in some way. This is about Simulanka. And for the Imaginarium Theatre, it's just gameplay stages and performance. There's no real life threatening danger because it's fictional.
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How how how in the world does this mean sibling is the ruler of Abyss order???????? You really should reread that or watch youtube videos explaining it.
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Traveller fought the enemies in the story quest, mind you. It lines up with the lore; nothing game mechanics about that.
Where is the proof? The Traveller and Paimon themselves are immersed in those worlds, with their physical bodies. This is pure bloody headcanon, until you provide evidence instead of assumptions otherwise.
And Weaver, I already showed you the page; this part should be blatantly obvious. Read it carefully yourself and you're clearly showing your deliberate ignorance here. Sure, if you want to debate reality equalisation then all of your arguments about the world being fiction and qualitative inferiority will be contradictory.
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Discussion Rules
VS Battles Wiki is a site where the members attempt to index the statistics of characters across different fictional franchises. These efforts lead to much discussion about certain feats, statements and calculations regarding their validity, reliability, etc. However, certain topics keep popping...
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Sorry i didn't know that. I already gave wiki link for that. I will delete itDiscussion Rules
VS Battles Wiki is a site where the members attempt to index the statistics of characters across different fictional franchises. These efforts lead to much discussion about certain feats, statements and calculations regarding their validity, reliability, etc. However, certain topics keep popping...
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I already knew that Sibling is abyss order ruler. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this. This clearly stated that they came from another world which they ruled over.
If you don't understand the context, that's totally fine cuz there're tons of youtubers covering this lore and explaining it for you. You should go watch a few and come back.
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The POV knight here is Dainslief, a knight of Khaenri’ah. The king is Irmin, a king of Khaenri’ah. I hope you’re not trying to tell me that Khaenri’ah, a nation on the planet of Teyvat, is on another world.
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Check the video I linked which garrix replied by linking discussion rules. If you are not convinced by that one, try watching more.
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@Ultima_Reality I don't think you need to be summoned, but I've been asked to summon you, ironically.
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Here's a summarisation of both sides of the argument.
Genshin 4A downgrade...
If you're coming back to this, mind if I summarise the counterarguments towards the OP? A lot of the content doesn't exactly have much relevance to the source of the scaling of Tier 4, nor was it properly explained in the initial upgrade thread either. I advocate a summary for the downgrade as...
Here's a summarisation of both sides of the argument.
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At this point we should focus on the scaling since not everyone should be on 4A
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I plan to make a CRT to revise all the scaling. Though, this verse so far has 3 active CRTs already.
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Yeah and that's like, 4-C at most? Then it was said Rex Lapis who's able to split the sea and mountains are considered better than that
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Yeah, 4-C. Idk how Rex Lapis feat is in anyway superior. Anyway, I found the scans for the Adepit, called Guizhong, who created the Realm of Clouds which houses a sun and earth.
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The idea of a star being created in the Realm of Clouds contradicts with Tubby's claim that a city cannot be built in the Serenitea Pot, which is also an Adepti realm. Keep in mind the Serenitea Pot has Floating Abode, has an identical layout to the Realm of Clouds and more clear background of how it operates.
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It was only referring to the creation of the Serenitea Pot, which its size is minimised, not to mention its not even a real realm. The same doesn't apply to the Realm of Clouds.
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There's hardly any information about the Realm of Clouds other than it being used to store Ruin Machines. So there's nothing stating it's different from the Serenitea Pot.
Description: This is the Realm of Clouds. Guizhong, its former ruler, acquired several ancient and evil artifacts during her research into mechanics. The adepti created this realm to contain them.
The Serenitea Pot was supposed to made portable that the Traveller could carry it around. It's like having two bowls with a single scoop of ice cream, one bowl may be larger, but that doesn't mean the scoop is bigger. There's nothing suggesting the world shrunk down inside it.
Tubby: This world is not a true one, after all. It provides merely a moment of brief respite from the mortal realm, not a means of escaping it entirely.
Description: This is the Realm of Clouds. Guizhong, its former ruler, acquired several ancient and evil artifacts during her research into mechanics. The adepti created this realm to contain them.
The Serenitea Pot was supposed to made portable that the Traveller could carry it around. It's like having two bowls with a single scoop of ice cream, one bowl may be larger, but that doesn't mean the scoop is bigger. There's nothing suggesting the world shrunk down inside it.
Tubby: This world is not a true one, after all. It provides merely a moment of brief respite from the mortal realm, not a means of escaping it entirely.
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Bump.
OP seems fine
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Congratulations. You increase the number of rejections of the thread from 2 to 3.
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