Genshin 4A downgrade...

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

If you're coming back to this, mind if I summarise the counterarguments towards the OP? A lot of the content doesn't exactly have much relevance to the source of the scaling of Tier 4, nor was it properly explained in the initial upgrade thread either.

I advocate a summary for the downgrade as well, since I have asked the staffs to evaluate this but none had comes which I believe they prolly don't know where to start, so with the summary of the downgrade and summary of the counterarguments from you which could help the staffs to understand, I hope we can make the CRT concluded soon

@Dog3352 Would you like to make the summary of the downgrade here?

 

[Dog3352]

I advocate a summary for the downgrade as well, since I have asked the staffs to evaluate this but none had comes which I believe they prolly don't know where to start, so with the summary of the downgrade and summary of the counterarguments from you which could help the staffs to understand, I hope we can make the CRT concluded soon

@Dog3352 Would you like to make the summary of the downgrade here?

I don't think there's much to say, in the end, what matters is the fact that the argument of "term 'magic' in general = manipulation/use of elemental energy" is the only thing that supports the scale, which as I specifically described in the OP, this is not the case, in addition to there being no statement/evidence of the use of Elemental Energy or any type of UES in the creation magic used by the witches, I even put the scans directly saying what the creation magic is that the witches use to create the worlds.

And Simulanaka's point really matters, as it is what makes it clear what the witches' creation magic is.

All 3 witches created the Simulnaka;
All 3 witches have creation magic;
All 3 witches have the ability to make the "fantasy truth" become a "true fantasy" with their magic;
Simulnaka and Imaginarium Theather are created using witches' creation magic, and are realities within books (which also connects to the "true fantasy), making it obvious that it is the same creation magic.

Since the magic used to create the Simulnaka is the same one used to create the IT, the statements about Simulnaka also apply to the IT, in addition to the lines about magic.

Witches' creation magic is literally "create what I say/speak and create", it is even said that the world is made of words, so it is a magic/spell that gives the ability to create a pocket dimension with words, basically a creation hax of pocket dimension that has no evidence/statement of using elemental energy or any kind of UES (or something that makes creation scale to anything other than just creation).

 

[Giannysmag]

If you're coming back to this, mind if I summarise the counterarguments towards the OP? A lot of the content doesn't exactly have much relevance to the source of the scaling of Tier 4, nor was it properly explained in the initial upgrade thread either.

We should get DDM to come back to this then too since they missed like 80% of the thread

 

[Rayfire]

I agree with the downgrades overall.