God of War Supporters Pull a Helios ⌈Magic Resistance Removal⌋

[Qawsedf234]

So you are saying that the abilities and resistances provided by the UES apply to gods but not to mortal humans.

UES means more of X gives you more of Y.

If resistance to heat manipulation stats when X=10. You'd only get heat resistance when X is >10. If X is <10 then no heat resistance would be given.

If magic resistance is only approved of for Gods, no one weaker than a God would qualify for the resistance under our standards. Since you can't downscale a resistance. For them to qualify you would need to make a new scaling chain where it starts with mortals and goes up from there.

 

[Georredannea15]

UES means more of X gives you more of Y.

If resistance to heat manipulation stats when X=10. You'd only get heat resistance when X is >10. If X is <10 then no heat resistance would be given.

If magic resistance is only approved of for Gods, no one weaker than a God would qualify for the resistance under our standards. Since you can't downscale a resistance. For them to qualify you would need to make a new scaling chain where it starts with mortals and goes up from there.

But we use resistance not only for divine beings for all beings who possess magic and the metaphysical nature of the soul, whose life force comes from primordial chaos. Yes, the gods are more specialized and more powerful in these forces, but the nature is the same. Only the gods use it at a higher level

 

[Qawsedf234]

But we use resistance not only for divine beings for all beings who possess magic and the metaphysical nature of the soul, whose life force comes from primordial chaos.

As shown in the OP, that was never approved of. Only Gods were accepted as having resistance. You would need to make a new CRT giving mortals magic resistance.

 

[Georredannea15]

As shown in the OP, that was never approved of. Only Gods were accepted as having resistance. You would need to make a new CRT giving mortals magic resistance.

Op is wrong about this, these are things written on the GoW magic page on the wiki

Universal Power​

The above applies for all pantheons, including the Nordic lands, seeing as runes connect all,[46] it can amplify perceptions and senses.[47] Also showcased by the fact that Atreus's bow is effective solely because it uses magic.[48]

But on top of all of this, when Kratos clarifies the origin of the primordial fire in his Blades, Surtr himself reminds us that the origin of primordial magic doesn't matter,[49] and indeed, this same magic takes the place of Sinmara's heart to allow Surtr to become Ragnarok. As such, magic itself, regardless of mythical origin would scale to the same level and potency.

The page is too long, it gives a little clue about the nature of magics

Mind, Soul, Luck and Personal Concepts​

Souls are composed of their form, that is the metaphysical nature of a being, their luck, their mind, and their direction, which guides their path to their respective afterlife as per Mimir's words.[6] Not only that but they are constructs of pure magic.

And this explains the nature of the soul and its relationship with magic.

Below are the levels to which magics affect the soul and its aspects, as well as the resistance to them. Starting with the Greek World;

Here, page explains that there is resistance to the abilities written on the page and that he has those abilities. Abilities are a bit long, but they are general magics

Well, as I said, the situation is not like the OP's. For this, there is already an accepted UES mechanic

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well, as I said, the situation is not like the OP's. For this, there is already an accepted UES mechanic

You're missing the point with the OP and how the standards apply. The UES for Resistance was accepted, but that Resistance was only accepted for God or God tier entities. What that means is that people below Gods would not gain that resistance, only people comparable to Gods or are superior to them.

To use the previously mentioned Bleach example, look at the Hollow physiology page. In that page you have a section for lesser Hollows and one for greater Hollows. Despite having a UES, the lesser Hollows would not get the abilities given to the greater tier. That doesn't break UES or Resistance applications, that's just how the standards work.

Someone like Zeus would keep his resistances as the OP mentions. What it means is that random soldier 5 wouldn't have them, as the resistance doesn't start with baseline magic users but Gods. For them to have resistance you would need to change where the scaling chain starts as I mentioned before.

If you still don't get the above then there's really no way I can explain it more clearly.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Here, page explains that there is resistance to the abilities written on the page and that he has those abilities. Abilities are a bit long, but they are general magics

Well, as I said, the situation is not like the OP's. For this, there is already an accepted UES mechanic

I'm gonna stop you right here, nothing in this section says mortal magic users innately resist magic. Let's go step by step with this one:

• Various creatures and monsters can affect the mind with their abilities, chief among them the Sirens. These monsters can drive one mad with their voices,[17] and physically and emotionally manipulate their victims.[18] Kratos repeatedly resisted the Siren's songs[18] and shrug off their voices with no issues.[19]
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a demigod. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• The illusions of the Furies target the mind, body and soul,[20][14] warp the victim's senses[14] and even distort the area around them.[14] At first, Kratos, who resists the Sirens, was affected but after he adapted he resisted this with proper focus on his mind[14] or with the Eyes of Truth.[14]
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a demigod. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• Later on, Kratos has to stop Persephone from trying to destroy the World Pillar and the Greek World. Persephone tries to persuade him into letting the gods die[21] and attempts to send his mind to another realm,[22] which Kratos, after initially being affected, adapts to resist it and avoid having his body crushed by Atlas.[21]
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a demigod. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• Years after that, during his journey to Pandora's Box, he is mentally attacked by Ares, the God of War, who possesses incredibly powerful mind-manipulating and telepathic powers. They are so powerful that they caused Kratos' ribcage to ache and skin to split and bleed[23] despite being mental in nature. In the climactic battle against Ares however, the latter has to rely on physically recreating the entire nightmare as a pocket dimension to mess with Kratos' mind. Even then Kratos retains his faculties without losing hope and goes on to defeat Ares.[19]
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a demigod. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• By the time of his siege on Olympus, Kratos has regained the godly powers he wielded as the God of War but still has the soul of a demigod. Eventually, he battles the Lord of the Underworld and the ultimate ruler of souls, Hades. Said god can tear out peoples' souls[24] and absorb them into himself, to further enhance his physical and magical capabilities with their powers, his magic allows him and his champions to strip their targets of their souls,[25] any souls he absorbs make him stronger,[26] weapons imbued with his power can crush, control, and cleave souls, as well as strip them out of their bodies.[25] He keeps all the souls of the dead bound to the underworld as shown by all the souls escaping and roaming around freely upon his death[26] Despite this, he repeatedly resisted Hades's attempts to rip his soul out with the latter's claws after initially being affected.[5]
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a demigod. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• The Sisters of Fate could destroy Kratos's soul as of the moments before he became a god. Lahkesis's staff has the power to destroy souls.[27] After Kratos had obtained the Spear of Destiny, the Sisters of Fate stated that if they weren't in charge, Kratos would have made good on his threat to kill Zeus with it.[28]
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a demigod. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• Finally, after Kratos is initially killed and has his mind dissipated by Fear itself he eventually finds the strength to lay his inner demons to rest. After Kratos unlocked Hope, he became unaffected by the energies and the effects of Fear Zeus, who is the very incarnation of Fear,[5] an Evil that predates reality and supersedes all beings in the Greek World, including even Primordials.
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a god. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• The use of Seidr continuously can corrupt one's body and soul,[29] stated multiple times in a row, which is in turn composed of one's concept (Form), mind, luck and their path (Direction) to the afterlife.[30] It also sacrifices parts of their souls until they have almost nothing left[31][32]). Gods like Freya and Odin can use it without issue.
  
  • This is a feat for Freya and Odin, who are gods. This does not prove mortals resist magic.
• The Light of Alfheim is a Primordial Force that has existed before Odin and the Realms,[33] keeping the Realms separate with its light[34] and also transcending them altogether. All gods fear it, with Freya stating she wouldn't go near it in a million winters[35] and a disguised Odin being shocked that Kratos could enter without being incinerated.[33] Kratos was able to easily withstand a long period inside the Light of Alfheim[36] without being driven insane or being completely incinerated and being made one with the Light.[33]
  
  • This is a feat for Kratos, who is a god. This does not prove mortals resist magic.

This is all the page has to say on the matter of magic resistance. Not once does it even mention mortals. Not just in the context of "mortals resisting the use of magic", but in any context.

 

[Georredannea15]

You're missing the point with the OP and how the standards apply. The UES for Resistance was accepted, but that Resistance was only accepted for God or God tier entities. What that means is that people below Gods would not gain that resistance, only people comparable to Gods or are superior to them.

To use the previously mentioned Bleach example, look at the Hollow physiology page. In that page you have a section for lesser Hollows and one for greater Hollows. Despite having a UES, the lesser Hollows would not get the abilities given to the greater tier. That doesn't break UES or Resistance applications, that's just how the standards work.

Someone like Zeus would keep his resistances as the OP mentions. What it means is that random soldier 5 wouldn't have them, as the resistance doesn't start with baseline magic users but Gods. For them to have resistance you would need to change where the scaling chain starts as I mentioned before.

If you still don't get the above then there's really no way I can explain it more clearly.

Actually, I understand what you mean, but what I mean is that basically the relationship and nature of souls and all beings with magic is the same.

But other than that, this seems fair. I said in this thread that UES would give resistance because Fuji directly said that abilities will not provide resistance even with UES, any being that has abilities will not have resistance. I explained that this was wrong according to the GoW's UES mechanic and magic page.

 

[Georredannea15]

You're missing the point with the OP and how the standards apply. The UES for Resistance was accepted, but that Resistance was only accepted for God or God tier entities. What that means is that people below Gods would not gain that resistance, only people comparable to Gods or are superior to them.

To use the previously mentioned Bleach example, look at the Hollow physiology page. In that page you have a section for lesser Hollows and one for greater Hollows. Despite having a UES, the lesser Hollows would not get the abilities given to the greater tier. That doesn't break UES or Resistance applications, that's just how the standards work.

Someone like Zeus would keep his resistances as the OP mentions. What it means is that random soldier 5 wouldn't have them, as the resistance doesn't start with baseline magic users but Gods. For them to have resistance you would need to change where the scaling chain starts as I mentioned before.

If you still don't get the above then there's really no way I can explain it more clearly.

Btw, I forgot to mention that you said that these resistances are only valid for god level beings, but there are not many profiles for GoW that are not god level anyway...

So most profiles are gods or godly level already...

 

[Qawsedf234]

but there are not many profiles for GoW that are not god level anyway...

So?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Btw, I forgot to mention that you said that these resistances are only valid for god level beings, but there are not many profiles for GoW that are not god level anyway...

So most profiles are gods or godly level already...

I know. I didn't say this downgrade would affect a lot of profiles.

 

[Georredannea15]

Well... I seriously don't know how many profiles will affect. Maybe 2, maybe 3 or maybe 4, but whatever, just go ahead. I just wanted to point this out.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Well... I seriously don't know how many profiles will affect. Maybe 2, maybe 3 or maybe 4, but whatever, just go ahead. I just wanted to point this out.

It's just trying to be accurate. Doesn't matter if it doesn't change a whole lot.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

This thread has been accepted, and another is mostly accepted, so without further ado...

Then let him open a thread claiming that this is wrong. As I said, the burden of proof is on him.

Your wish has been granted.
she/her, since apparently you people still need reminders

 

[Georredannea15]

This thread has been accepted, and another is mostly accepted, so without further ado...

I think you're going to have a heart attack when you see them all added again...

Your wish has been granted.
she/her, since apparently you people still need reminders

Dude, I'm not an old geezer, so there's no point in saying that.

But even if I'm not an old person, I need sleep, huh?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I think you're going to have a heart attack when you see them all added again...

This would be the hundredth time someone smugly tells me that they're going to epically debunk me, and every time someone claims that, it ends up never happening. Perhaps it would be best to not make such bold claims unless you are 100% certain that they are true.

Dude, I'm not an old geezer, so there's no point in saying that.

No, there definitely is a point. Refer to me as who I am, or do not refer to me at all.