Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)

[Moritzva]

...then I question if we're reading the same thread, but accept that a consensus was reached.

I've been asking the same thing, glad we could come to a consensus on that.

On a more serious note, chill out. Weekly asking if a thread can be removed after 4, possibly 5 staff votes isn't some egregious misstep. You're acting rather hostile over Weekly asking a question after a several days of relative silence.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

.I will presume you've read everything relevant and are saying this. If DDM switches to a concrete position that, yes, everyone there voted with no proper basis to do so, then I question if we're reading the same thread, but accept that a consensus was reached.

Yes, I've been following this thread and the discussion you've all been having when given the time (Even regarding the part in the rule violation thread pertaining to this match). I think the debate in the match thread itself were lack luster in explaining why either character won (though that's likely due to me debating with full blown paragraphs in VS matches) but there were a few minor grips I had and would prefer that match just be removed and if people wanted, remade since this match and the debate had within his causing issues.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

3 staff (that aren't CGM) for removing it, 2 staff against removing it but IDK if you guys wanted an overwhelming majority or not.

Just any decent majority would do, hell at this point I'll even accept it since there is a majority at all. I just take offense with the dishonesty used to push for its deletion.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yes, I've been following this thread and the discussion you've all been having when given the time (Even regarding the part in the rule violation thread pertaining to this match). I think the debate in the match thread itself were lack luster in explaining why either character won (though that's likely due to me debating with full blown paragraphs in VS matches) but there were a few minor grips I had and would prefer that match just be removed and if people wanted, remade since this match and the debate had within his causing issues.

This is, at least, reasonable, though I don't think every match requires paragraph after paragraph of agonizing detail- I find that is generally unnecessary. I do disagree but this, at least, is sensible enough. Feel free to remove it.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Glad we found solution in a professional, civil and rational manner to conclude this.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

This is, at least, reasonable, though I don't think every match requires paragraph after paragraph of agonizing detail- I find that is generally unnecessary. I do disagree but this, at least, is sensible enough. Feel free to remove it.

Fair enough. I've removed the match.

 

[Spinoirr]

KingTempest posted a comment agreeing with the removal, which Bambu deleted because... I really don't know.
But he does agree with it.
Technically it's only three Staff Members, because DDM is leaning towards removing it and the other two people aren't really staff as much as they are just special roles (like CGM for example), but there's still an overwhelming amount of support for the removal.

Has this match been removed yet, seems a lot a people agree with it being removed

 

[CloverDragon03]

Has this match been removed yet, seems a lot a people agree with it being removed

It's been removed for some time now

 

[Spilxson2]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/8-b-low-8-a-tournament-round-1-match-2-buggy-the-clown-vs-johnny-test.130857/

Neither of these characters have 8-B keys anymore

 

[Spilxson2]

Kazuya VS Omni-Man (0-7-0)

earth’s mightiest “hero” vs The power of the devil himself Speed is equal Both are Multi-Continental Base kazuya is used After he shot down a satellite. Omni-Man was asked to find and take down kazuya mishima. After fighting in the city for a while he was getting overwhelmed by The devil. And...

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Kazuya isn't High 6-A anymore

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Kazuya VS Omni-Man (0-7-0)

earth’s mightiest “hero” vs The power of the devil himself Speed is equal Both are Multi-Continental Base kazuya is used After he shot down a satellite. Omni-Man was asked to find and take down kazuya mishima. After fighting in the city for a while he was getting overwhelmed by The devil. And...

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Kazuya isn't High 6-A anymore

Removed.

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Removed.

Can you remove this too

So this request got overlooked but Garou's Victory over Lightning needs to be removed from his profile. The former is no longer 5-C and the latter went through a bunch of changes since then. Turning the match into a giga stomp in the latter's favor.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Can you remove this too

Removed.

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Thank you

 

[Spilxson2]

Funny Monkey vs King Monkey

Funny Monkey vs King Monkey Speed is equalized Distance of 5 meters SBA Monkey King Mode and Gear 5th are used The location is your house Monkey D. Luffy: Mori Jin: Mash solos both (Icon):

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This is on Luffy's profile as a victory but not on Mori's profile. Should it be removed?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Shigeo Kageyama vs Thanos (MCU)

Shigeo Kageyama vs Thanos Fighting Location: Titan Starting Distance: 50 meters Both in-character Speed Equalized 100% Mob is used and Thanos has the Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet with only the Power and Space Stones. White T Poison: 7 (@XSOULOFCINDERX, @Reploidnoridomix, @M_Animefan...

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Thanos does not have this match up in his page, I don´t know if is outdated or not, can I remove it?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Funny Monkey vs King Monkey

Funny Monkey vs King Monkey Speed is equalized Distance of 5 meters SBA Monkey King Mode and Gear 5th are used The location is your house Monkey D. Luffy: Mori Jin: Mash solos both (Icon):

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This is on Luffy's profile as a victory but not on Mori's profile. Should it be removed?

Don't see a High 6-A key on Mori's page do it's possible it was removed due to some changes but it never got removed from Luffy's page. Also I believe One Piece characters are going to be downgraded as well so I remove it.

Shigeo Kageyama vs Thanos (MCU)

Shigeo Kageyama vs Thanos Fighting Location: Titan Starting Distance: 50 meters Both in-character Speed Equalized 100% Mob is used and Thanos has the Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet with only the Power and Space Stones. White T Poison: 7 (@XSOULOFCINDERX, @Reploidnoridomix, @M_Animefan...

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Thanos does not have this match up in his page, I don´t know if is outdated or not, can I remove it?

Not sure what changed but I guess you can remove it if it's no longer on Thanos profile.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Question about some versus thread results.

Lady Nagant has fights against Kiritsugu, Dystnine, and Spider-Man.

Due to her upgrades into High 6-C and her range upgrade to Hundreds of Kilometers, should these fight be removed?

 

[Spilxson2]

Question about some versus thread results.

Lady Nagant has fights against Kiritsugu, Dystnine, and Spider-Man.

Due to her upgrades into High 6-C and her range upgrade to Hundreds of Kilometers, should these fight be removed?

Spider-Man still has better lifting strength and is more skilled at dodging and fighting opponents who are much stronger than him so he probably still has the same win conditions of pinning Nagant and restraining her. Not sure about the other matches though

 

[TheRustyOne]

Spider-Man still has better lifting strength and is more skilled at dodging and fighting opponents who are much stronger than him so he probably still has the same win conditions of pinning Nagant and restraining her. Not sure about the other matches though

I'd have to ask. How can Spider-Man reach her with the range disadvantage? Her range is Hundreds of Kilometers.

She's a sniper who stays away from her opponent, say she flies up around 5 km in the air and snipe at him. Spider-Man's range is only Tens of Meters.

Even if she can't hit him, that'd be an inconclusive. This is why I mentioned her range upgrade as well.

 

[Spilxson2]

I'd have to ask. How can Spider-Man reach her with the range disadvantage? Her range is Hundreds of Kilometers.

She's a sniper who stays away from her opponent, say she flies up around 5 km in the air and snipe at him. Spider-Man's range is only Tens of Meters.

Even if she can't hit him, that'd be an inconclusive. This is why I mentioned her range upgrade as well.

Spider-Man can fire web projectiles at her and use the terrain to hide or catch her off guard. His Spider-Sense also immensely helps with dodging. I think that his skill, agility and web shooters would help him close the distance

 

[TheRustyOne]

Spider-Man can fire web projectiles at her and use the terrain to hide or catch her off guard. His Spider-Sense also immensely helps with dodging. I think that his skill, agility and web shooters would help him close the distance

What, did I speak unclearly?

His Web Projectiles have Tens of Meters of range, he cannot reach her while she can shoot at him from several Kilometers up in the air.

 

[ImmortalDread]

What, did I speak unclearly?

Don't worry, you did speak understandably.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

What, did I speak unclearly?

His Web Projectiles have Tens of Meters of range, he cannot reach her while she can shoot at him from several Kilometers up in the air.

I'm pretty sure Spilxson2 argument was he could dodge with the help of his spider sense and eventually get in close enough range to use webbing. Also, the further the shot, the more time he has to dodge. I'm not saying the match shouldn't be removed, but I think you missed the point Spilxson2 was trying to make regarding your range argument.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'm pretty sure Spilxson2 argument was he could dodge with the help of his spider sense and eventually get in close enough range to use webbing. Also, the further the shot, the more time he has to dodge. I'm not saying the match shouldn't be removed, but I think you missed the point Spilxson2 was trying to make regarding your range argument.

"Spider-Man can fire web projectiles at her and use the terrain to hide or catch her off guard."

"I think that his skill, agility and web shooters would help him close the distance."

This sounds like he's saying Spider-Man can reach her with his web projectiles and get close to her, which I've explained isn't possible.

I have nothing to add about his dodging ability, I even said she probably still isn't going to hit him and would be inconclusive.

I'm wondering if I'm just missing something obvious here, I'm going to feel really silly if that is the case.

 

[Spilxson2]

My point was that Spider-Man could avoid her shots and get close enough to use his webs on her

 

[LordGriffin1000]

"Spider-Man can fire web projectiles at her and use the terrain to hide or catch her off guard."

"I think that his skill, agility and web shooters would help him close the distance."

This sounds like he's saying Spider-Man can reach her with his web projectiles and get close to her, which I've explained isn't possible.

I interpret these as arguments for when he's close enough.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I interpret these as arguments for when he's close enough.

Yes, and my thing is that he cannot get close enough. She's going to be several Kilometers out of his range and Spider-Man cannot change that.

This is what I've been saying.

Guess I'm not speaking clear enough.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Yes, and my thing is that he cannot get close enough

Stealth Proficiency (Capable of sneaking into Latveria undetected. Daredevil describes him as impossibly quiet, and has used his abilities to sneak up on his enemies)

^Stealth approach= She is not seeing him= he gets closer

 

[TheRustyOne]

She's a sniper who stays away from her opponent, say she flies up around 5 km in the air and snipe at him. Spider-Man's range is only Tens of Meters.

She isn't going to let herself get caught like that, she'd be stupid to lower herself towards the ground if she can't find him.

If she can't see him she'll do what she did against Izuku when she lost line of sight. She'll stay high up in the air where he can't reach and wait until she see him. Lady Nagant is the best sniper in Japan, sniper's are use to waiting for multiple hours on end for their shot.

That situation is just an inconclusive, I feel like I'm not being clear at all. The second the fight starts she will be outside of his range and never enter his range period.

There is no in character reason why she'd get closer to Spider-Man, especially when she's a long range fighter. Izuku could catch her because he could fly and was able to boost his speed so she couldn't react to his approach.

Edit: This isn't about how this fight goes down to the end, this is about if it should be removed from their profile. Any actual discussion on the fight can be saved for a future versus thread if you want to make one. There are two other fights that I want to know if they should be removed as well.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

She isn't going to let herself get caught like that, she'd be stupid to lower herself towards the ground if she can't find him.

If she can't see him she'll do what she did against Izuku when she lost line of sight. She'll stay high up in the air where he can't reach and wait until she see him. Lady Nagant is the best sniper in Japan, sniper's are use to waiting for multiple hours on end for their shot.

That situation is just an inconclusive, I feel like I'm not being clear at all. The second the fight starts she will be outside of his range and never enter his range period.

There is no in character reason why she'd get closer to Spider-Man, especially when she's a long range fighter. Izuku could catch her because he could fly and was able to boost his speed so she couldn't react to his approach.

Edit: This isn't about how this fight goes down to the end, this is about if it should be removed from their profile. Any actual discussion on the fight can be saved for a future versus thread if you want to make one. There are two other fights that I want to know if they should be removed as well.

I agree, this should be removed and then remade with these new statistics taken into account.

 

[Spilxson2]

Yeah that's fair

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

No freeza does not, he resist soul EE/destruction, sans' hax are completely different and would still affect freeza the same way

Never got the chance to reply to this but anyway... How is this not Soul Destruction?

Also one thing I don't get is that whenever Sans is put against an opponent that resists Soul Manipulation, it's a stomp. Now that Frieza has gained a resistance to Soul Manipulation, the match is still valid? That doesn't seem to add up.

Hakai is only EE resistance

Not anymore. As of this thread, resisting the Hakai also counts as resisting the destruction of the soul, something every monster is capable of doing to Frisk whether it's Sans, Asgore, Undyne, Flowey, or even a freakin Froggit. While you are correct that Sans' soul poison can still effect Frieza, it CAN'T kill him as stated here...

• KARMA: Whatever is struck by one of Sans's attacks will suffer from this condition, for a brief period. It essentially functions as poison damage for one's SOUL. KARMA cannot exceed 40 and also cannot cause the protagonist's HP to fall below one, with the more KARMA damage is built up, the faster it drains.

So how can Sans get Frieza's HP below one if he now resists an attack that not just shatters- but downright destroys the soul?

 

[Omegabronic]

Never got the chance to reply to this but anyway... How is this not Soul Destruction?

Better question, when have i said that it wasn't? I said that what freeza resisted is completely different from what sans does

Also one thing I don't get is that whenever Sans is put against an opponent that resists Soul Manipulation, it's a stomp.

It shouldn't and whoever says that it is is wrong, that depends on the type of the resistance

Now that Frieza has gained a resistance to Soul Manipulation, the match is still valid? That doesn't seem to add up.

The people who say it for every soul resistance are wrong, simple as that

Not anymore. As of this thread, resisting the Hakai also counts as resisting the destruction of the soul, something every monster is capable of doing to Frisk whether it's Sans, Asgore, Undyne, Flowey, or even a freakin Froggit.

you know that i aknowledged this already right? It soul erasure, it destroying the soul via EE, what the undertale people do is attack the soul directly and destroy it with AP, something completely different then what hakai does, being "destruction" is very broad and doesn't mean much in this, does resisting deconstruction allows you to resist getting destroyed by superior AP? seriously, how is this difficult to understand? The hax are doing different things to reach a different result, therefore resisting one method doesn't make you resist the other methods

While you are correct that Sans' soul poison can still effect Frieza, it CAN'T kill him as stated here...

• KARMA: Whatever is struck by one of Sans's attacks will suffer from this condition, for a brief period. It essentially functions as poison damage for one's SOUL. KARMA cannot exceed 40 and also cannot cause the protagonist's HP to fall below one, with the more KARMA damage is built up, the faster it drains.

Because sans ignores durability even without the soul thing, that is how he killed flowey, a souless being, multiple times, and also shown when he ignores frisk's armor and defense stat in their battle, why do you think he is the only one who didn't got affected by the soul hax downgrade crt for the verse?

So how can Sans get Frieza's HP below one if he now resists an attack that not just shatters- but downright destroys the soul?

Does resisting deconstruction makes you resist a normal punch from someone 10000000x stronger thab you? Because that is the difference between what hakai is and what sans does

 

[ShionAH]

Frieza has to Resist Soul Destruction, Soul Poison and Status Effect Inducement in a physical way to survive Sans

 

[Spilxson2]

Goku vs Might Guy

Goku vs Might Guy Battle location: Valley of the End Starting distance: 50 meters Both in-character Speed is equalized Saiyan Saga Goku and Eighth Gate Guy are used Kaio-Ken: 7 (@UchihaSlayer96, @denzeelmao, @OneRhasstyBoi, @Dread, @TauanVictor, @Godernet, @Panache_x) Eight Gates: Oozaru...

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Can someone tell me if this is a stomp or not?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Yes, and my thing is that he cannot get close enough. She's going to be several Kilometers out of his range and Spider-Man cannot change that.

This is what I've been saying.

Guess I'm not speaking clear enough.

No, you were clear but I don't fully agree with what your saying. Why are you shrinking your words, you annoyed or something? I already said I don't have an issue with the removal so you can go ahead and remove it from her profile, I'll remI've it from Spider-Man's profile since it's locked.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Might Guy VS Obito Uchiha

Might Guy VS Obito Uchiha Fight Location: Madara VS Guy Starting Distance: 500 Meters Both in character Eighth Gate Guy and Jūbi Jinchūriki (Controlled) Obito will be used Guy: 2 (@XSOULOFCINDERX, @Purgy) Obito: 7 (@theultimate5105, @Wrath_Of_Itachi, @LightReinh12345, @Galvino...

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I counted the votes of this match

Only 5 votes were giving before it was added, why this was added? One of the votes was "I think this is a stomp", which is technically saying that the match is unfair

Later, a 6th and 7th vote appeared, but the match was added without any grace, with 5 votes and then months, yes, MONTHS, later, more votes were given

This is clearly againts the rules

 

[TheRustyOne]

No, you were clear but I don't fully agree with what your saying. Why are you shrinking your words, you annoyed or something?

It's writing in a way that's jokey/sarcastic to show that I'm not getting annoyed (I find it funny), since I didn't want people to misunderstand me, sounds like it failed.

I apologize if that's an issue, I'll stop derailing. I appreciate that you had this discussion with me.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

It's writing in a way that's jokey/sarcastic to show that I'm not getting annoyed (I find it funny), since I didn't want people to misunderstand me, sounds like it failed.

I apologize if that's an issue, I'll stop derailing. I appreciate that you had this discussion with me.

My mistake then, previous experience made me think when people bold, all caps, or shrink their comments it means they are irritated in some way and I didn't want to make anyone feel annoyed so that's my bad for misinterpreting what it ment. Been around here so long I get concerned over things I should have known weren't serious.

Might Guy VS Obito Uchiha

Might Guy VS Obito Uchiha Fight Location: Madara VS Guy Starting Distance: 500 Meters Both in character Eighth Gate Guy and Jūbi Jinchūriki (Controlled) Obito will be used Guy: 2 (@XSOULOFCINDERX, @Purgy) Obito: 7 (@theultimate5105, @Wrath_Of_Itachi, @LightReinh12345, @Galvino...

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I counted the votes of this match

Only 5 votes were giving before it was added, why this was added? One of the votes was "I think this is a stomp", which is technically saying that the match is unfair

Later, a 6th and 7th vote appeared, but the match was added without any grace, with 5 votes and then months, yes, MONTHS, later, more votes were given

This is clearly againts the rules

Yeah, and the most lengthy post said it was a stomp, with some others saying Obito just one shots with TSB so I'm not sure how the match was counted in general. I'll remove it.