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Okay and Doom has 2-C shit lol
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/giorno-giovanna-vs-beast-boy.59851/
Not exactly asking for this to be removed, but can someone tell me what Beast Boy's win conditions are here?
Not exactly asking for this to be removed, but can someone tell me what Beast Boy's win conditions are here?
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True, but
Looking at the Sisters' hax, I'd say they still likely win though both have wincons.
They have Concept Manip/Death Manip and really can't be killed, Doom has mindhax (yes they resist it but Doom's mindhax is tier 1).
But srsly, how is a shooter game like Destiny so utterly busted?
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Reasons to remove the first fight: An 8-C fighting a 9-B who has a summon that the 8-C can´t see, nor damage, nor sense, that is high 8-C+ and would kill the 8-C in one hit? How is this fair? And is not like the 8-C have range or prior knowledge, he would attack, and Star Platinum would easily counter and one hit kill him
The second: Rock Lee using first Gate would make him 5 times faster and even faster with the fifth, reasons of why Jotaro won? "Time stop is spammable"
It is NOT spammable and Jotaro can´t damage Rock Lee at all (Jotaro scales above 7.8 tons while Rock Lee is 93 tons in first gate, even higher in fifth)
Reasons for both battles: If speed is equalized with a Jojo character, does they get equalized to the user of the stand that is thousands of time slower than their own stand? Because if this is the case, Star platinum would be thousands of time faster that every opponent in this matches, which itself makes the matches a massive stomp
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It actually is spammable, or at least to way more of a degree than you might think (I'm assuming you're thinking of MIH Arc where Jotaro had to wait a few moments between stops, normally the gaps between aren't as long).
The inability to spam stems from a stamina issue, most notably post-coma because well, he literally died, was frozen, got revived, and became comatose for 4 months where his body and spirit atrophied away to a large degree (That sustainability drop in that arc from an A to an E exists for good reason, bro got nerfed hard).
We actually removed that weakness about 2 years ago, it's only a weakness in Part 6.
According to speed rules, apparently, weapons, items, attacks and so on that have a different speed value get lowered by the same relative amount as the main fighter, so yes, Plat does get equalized but he still holds that same relative difference to Jotaro as he usually does.
It is important to note though that Star Platinum can only move within 2 meters of Jotaro.
Its highly limited range offsets its tremendous speed as an actual canonical trade-off (Power-types have short-range explicitly due to having high stats).
Characters that Jotaro faces don't have to worry about getting blitzed unless they get within 2m of him, but at that point, the fact they probably can't see, sense, or harm the invisible ghost man is likely far more problematic than the fact they're likely getting punched a bunch. But for future reference keep that in mind, the threat of getting blitzed by a Stand is only an issue if you enter its AOE, and some Stands actually get slower the further they move away from the user too, all important caveats you can use in the future.
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I had the opinion it was more like "Jotaro needs like 5 seconds to use it again" Or even less
But the thread is like "Nah, he spams it, easily" which is wrong, he is not using time stop after time stop within nanoseconds of difference, not even Dio do it that way
The rest was good information from your part, but without info, facing a ghost that is thousands of time faster than the opponent and the opponent is a melee fighter= Star Platinum blitz in close combat and the opponent is literally a statue
And as you can see, Rock lee just out stats (And if SP was like 2 times stronger, he would be still 6.6 times weaker and that is first gate only, second Gate would again be a stat stomp) and the other is literally a match that has no win condition for the Dinasty Warrior character, Jotaro could be sleeping and he would win
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Actually, with 5 minutes of prep Doom can just mindhax them with his telepathy and/or Ovoid Mind transfer.
Yes they resist, but Doom's mindhax is Tier 1.
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Problem is Sisters open with death Manipulation I don't think Doom resists lol
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Oh he doesn't, but the thread gives him 5 minutes of prep, lol.
Btw, the Sisters resist time manipulation, but does that include Time Travel?
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Which doesn't mean he instantly uses it lol
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With 5 minutes prep, and against such strong opponents, there is absolutely a good chance Doom goes for absorption, tho.
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Tbh that match is pretty outdated, we could do a rematch I guess?
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Which is a bit slower then Deathsong IIRC
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Wdym?
The absorption itself doesn't take 5 minutes, he did it to the Beyonder by tapping a button on his armor.
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The Hero of Mobius vs The God of War
Never thought we could ever do GOW vs Archie but here we are now Both in Low 1-C keys Sonic is in his Ultra Form Kratos is in his Power of Hope key Speed equalized SBA Battle Music Sonic: Kratos: Icon: 11 (KLOL506, omegabronic, Planck69, Popted2, Undylan, AxiamofVirgo, ShakeResounding...
Same reasoning as before. Power of Hope Kratos isn't Low 1-C anymore
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It's currently two staff against removal, five staff, four normal members, and the OP of the thread in favor of removal. How much more. of a majority is needed?
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5 staff members? Which one?
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KingTempest posted a comment agreeing with the removal, which Bambu deleted because... I really don't know.
But he does agree with it.
Technically it's only three Staff Members, because DDM is leaning towards removing it and the other two people aren't really staff as much as they are just special roles (like CGM for example), but there's still an overwhelming amount of support for the removal.
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Mori, tempest, ddm, dmua, and clover
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Do I need to explain this?
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Kratos no Tier 1
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Removed
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It's currently KingTempest and Mori in favor of removal and myself and Deagon against. DDM is explicitly neutral but leaning in favor, and DMUA and Clover are calc group.
So any majority is necessary, yes.
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This is supposed to be the link for Asta vs Goku but it's just saying that it ran into some problems. Also it's High 6-A to 5-C vs 5-B. Not sure how Asta can win but this should probably be removed since the thread just can't be found. Unless something's wrong with my connection
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Kratos used to be Low 1-C but now he's not anymore
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Goku is 5-C in that fight
The thread works perfectly, is your connection
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Should this be removed? Online Player is 7-B and Skyepiea Saga Usopp is 8-A, but apparently there were also tournament rules so I don't know if that makes the match more fair
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Brainy Barker vs Danny Phantom
My second Danny Phantom match because why not? Both 8-A versions are being used here. Range starts at 20 meters. Brainy upscales a lot from 109.395 Tons Danny seems to upscale from 533.70 Tons Speed isn't equalized because it isn't a blitz looking at both of their speeds. So Brainy...
Not asking for this to be removed, but I have a small question. Brainy got upgraded to 7-C and the matchup used 8-A versions. But Danny's profile says he's 8-A up to 2-C. Does that mean Danny could go up to 7-C for this matchup to still be kept on their profiles?
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Generally speaking no, characters can only use tiers actually on their profile.Brainy Barker vs Danny Phantom
My second Danny Phantom match because why not? Both 8-A versions are being used here. Range starts at 20 meters. Brainy upscales a lot from 109.395 Tons Danny seems to upscale from 533.70 Tons Speed isn't equalized because it isn't a blitz looking at both of their speeds. So Brainy...vsbattles.com
Not asking for this to be removed, but I have a small question. Brainy got upgraded to 7-C and the matchup used 8-A versions. But Danny's profile says he's 8-A up to 2-C. Does that mean Danny could go up to 7-C for this matchup to still be kept on their profiles?
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Oh, could Danny still win with Possession and Intangibility?
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So this request got overlooked but Garou's Victory over Lightning needs to be removed from his profile. The former is no longer 5-C and the latter went through a bunch of changes since then. Turning the match into a giga stomp in the latter's favor.
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Dunno, you'd probably need to redo the match if it's unclear.
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That was just mostly a hax fight, and Danny has Reactive Evolution that will eventually put him up to her level. He still has haxesBrainy Barker vs Danny Phantom
My second Danny Phantom match because why not? Both 8-A versions are being used here. Range starts at 20 meters. Brainy upscales a lot from 109.395 Tons Danny seems to upscale from 533.70 Tons Speed isn't equalized because it isn't a blitz looking at both of their speeds. So Brainy...
Not asking for this to be removed, but I have a small question. Brainy got upgraded to 7-C and the matchup used 8-A versions. But Danny's profile says he's 8-A up to 2-C. Does that mean Danny could go up to 7-C for this matchup to still be kept on their profiles?
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So can this be removed? There is currently five staff, four normal members excluding myself, and the OP of the thread all in favor of removing it
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I'm fine with the removal honestly.
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Christ sake
As far as staff votes go: DDM, to my knowledge, has not changed his position from "leaning". This means in terms of votes that it's tied up. You need a significant evaluating consensus in favor of deletion, Weekly. You surely can understand this, I simply refuse to believe you don't. I don't even particularly care, I'm only involved because some folk got a bit uppity about it and it required my voice.
I am telling you, Weekly: you know how this works. Stop.
I will presume you've read everything relevant and are saying this. If DDM switches to a concrete position that, yes, everyone there voted with no proper basis to do so, then I question if we're reading the same thread, but accept that a consensus was reached.
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Bambu, literally the OP of the thread in question wants it removed, why are you so hung up over this? If it were just normal members thats one thing but you specifically requested that staff weigh in on this and every staff memeber besides you and Deagon are in favor of removal. Why are you acting like your vote alone invalidates all other votes and opinions?
