Gilad_Hyperstar
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He's still 4-A, but the feat he scales above was re-calced to be much higher into the tier than before
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Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Sonic is still 4-A, seems like you misunderstoodSonic's profile still shows he is 4-A what are you talking about? You do know he varies in Super right? They can still do a MU with his 4-A rating
Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)
Sonic the Hedgehog (ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ, Sonikku za Hejjihoggu) is Sega's mascot and the eponymous protagonist of the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series. He is an anthropomorphic hedgehog born with the ability to run faster than at the speed of sound and beyond, hence his name, and possesses...vsbattles.fandom.com
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Whoops, I didn't mean to direct it towards you. I was highlighting your statement to Mike. My bad.
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Just because two characters are in the same tier does not mean they are equitable in AP.
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It was both the Understanding GG and Absorption thing. The thing is, Mechi's absorption takes a bit to kick in so he can probably one shot kars and not long after neg his type 8 with absorption
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No, he would kinda just punch first, but there are other problematic things with the fight
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So, is it safe to remove the match?
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Kars has infinite other hims to be dealt with though.
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This shouldn't be discussed so much here, you can't continue in the original thread.
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Darkai has a win agaisnt Mario but that is not reflected on Mario's profile. Is the match invalid or is Mario missing it?
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Darkrai
Darkrai (Japanese: ダークライ, Daakurai) is a Dark-type Mythical Pokémon. Cresselia is Darkrai's counterpart and rival, and together they form the Lunar Duo. Tier: 2-B, likely 2-A Name: Darkrai Origin: Pokémon Gender: Genderless Age: Unknown Classification: Mythical Pokémon, Nightmare Pokémon Powers...
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I thought so too. But it has been almost 2 years since the match occurred. It’s likely the profiles weren’t the same as they were when the match happen.
It can be added to Mario’s, I just am not sure if it’s still valid. Right now, 1 profile has it while the other doesn’t.
It can be added to Mario’s, I just am not sure if it’s still valid. Right now, 1 profile has it while the other doesn’t.
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Meta vs Carolina. It's literally wrong by Word of God. It is the only fight on this website that's objectively wrong. Several RoosterTeeth members worked on Meta vs Carolina and it was a literal Red vs Blue Episode (Specifically in Season 14, Episode 13) as well as being a Death Battle. The scenario in the Vs Thread was literally the exact same as the fight. Meta only won to spite Death Battle I'm pretty sure.
Edit: Also, the arguments for Meta were basically "Meta via hax" and then a bunch of FRAs, even though he has one notable hax (Time Stop) that he only uses defensively in character.
Edit: Also, the arguments for Meta were basically "Meta via hax" and then a bunch of FRAs, even though he has one notable hax (Time Stop) that he only uses defensively in character.
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After looking through some of these matches I think they should be removed for the following reasons.
Sonic vs Sonic: severely old and outdated, especially with the revisions game sonic has.
Sonic vs Chipper: Massive stomp match here, considering the only thing Chipper has is just poison bite, something sonic resists, on top of a bunch of other abilities Sonic has that Chipper has no answer to, what makes this matchup remotely fair to begin with?
Sonic vs Bomberman: Severely outdated given the pages weren't the way they are today, on top of being a massive stomp due to any and all ways Bomberman could win isn't gonna work now.
Sonic vs Ultron Sigma: Again, what exactly does Ultron Sigma have here that can help him win? Cause all of his noteworthy hax is resisted and he's nowhere on sonic's AP level.
Sonic vs Kratos: Same as Ultron and chipper.
Sonic vs Count bleck: Same as above
Sonic vs Krypto: Same as Superman
Sonic vs Toei Goku: Going off the Janemba vs Sonic match that was made not that long ago, the only way Goku can win here isn't even valid anymore, making this onesided as hell.
Sonic vs Mecha Goku: I don't understand the logic here, both are bloodlusted so it's automatically assumed that the guy who's hax he'd use in the fight that isn't thought based, and moreso he needs to say chaos control for said hax to work, would automatically work first over the person with a massive AP advantage to the point of hitting once and sonic dies, especially Bloodlusted of all things, the argumentation here is faulty at best, and I propose removing it.
Sonic vs Prismo: Same as Bleck, Kratos, etc.
Sonic vs Superman: Can I ask why is this matchup considered legit, when the voters admit that superman's severely outdated in terms of abilities, on top of the fact that barely any abilities Superman has would work on Sonic to begin with?
Sonic vs Janemba: What makes this matchup in sonic's favor when Janemba's first move in this state is to seal, which also powernulls, both of which sonic doesn't resist, so he'd lose his super form the moment he gets sealed, rendering him into a weaker state.
Sonic vs Super Goku: Same as Comic Sonic
Sonic vs Eggman: Same as Comic Sonic
Sonic vs Sonic: severely old and outdated, especially with the revisions game sonic has.
Sonic vs Chipper: Massive stomp match here, considering the only thing Chipper has is just poison bite, something sonic resists, on top of a bunch of other abilities Sonic has that Chipper has no answer to, what makes this matchup remotely fair to begin with?
Sonic vs Bomberman: Severely outdated given the pages weren't the way they are today, on top of being a massive stomp due to any and all ways Bomberman could win isn't gonna work now.
Sonic vs Ultron Sigma: Again, what exactly does Ultron Sigma have here that can help him win? Cause all of his noteworthy hax is resisted and he's nowhere on sonic's AP level.
Sonic vs Kratos: Same as Ultron and chipper.
Sonic vs Count bleck: Same as above
Sonic vs Krypto: Same as Superman
Sonic vs Toei Goku: Going off the Janemba vs Sonic match that was made not that long ago, the only way Goku can win here isn't even valid anymore, making this onesided as hell.
Sonic vs Mecha Goku: I don't understand the logic here, both are bloodlusted so it's automatically assumed that the guy who's hax he'd use in the fight that isn't thought based, and moreso he needs to say chaos control for said hax to work, would automatically work first over the person with a massive AP advantage to the point of hitting once and sonic dies, especially Bloodlusted of all things, the argumentation here is faulty at best, and I propose removing it.
Sonic vs Prismo: Same as Bleck, Kratos, etc.
Sonic vs Superman: Can I ask why is this matchup considered legit, when the voters admit that superman's severely outdated in terms of abilities, on top of the fact that barely any abilities Superman has would work on Sonic to begin with?
Sonic vs Janemba: What makes this matchup in sonic's favor when Janemba's first move in this state is to seal, which also powernulls, both of which sonic doesn't resist, so he'd lose his super form the moment he gets sealed, rendering him into a weaker state.
Sonic vs Super Goku: Same as Comic Sonic
Sonic vs Eggman: Same as Comic Sonic
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I agree with the removal of the vast majority of these matches, especially the ones that are multiple years old.
I do think a couple of them should stay, though.
Janemba being the amalgam of evil spirits means that Super Sonic purifies him just like Gogeta had done. The only difference is that this time, it's done passively and works far better than it had on Perfect Chaos. Perfect Chaos was just tainted with negative emotions and it was a very swift purification, Janemba likely gets purified before he can even seal.
I heavily doubt Mecha Goku is going to be able to one shot Sonic before Sonic says two words tbh. This seems weak.
Regarding Sonic vs Superman, does Superman’s profile being severely outdated disqualify him from being used in matches? And if so shouldn’t his other matches be removed as well?
I do think a couple of them should stay, though.
Janemba being the amalgam of evil spirits means that Super Sonic purifies him just like Gogeta had done. The only difference is that this time, it's done passively and works far better than it had on Perfect Chaos. Perfect Chaos was just tainted with negative emotions and it was a very swift purification, Janemba likely gets purified before he can even seal.
I heavily doubt Mecha Goku is going to be able to one shot Sonic before Sonic says two words tbh. This seems weak.
Regarding Sonic vs Superman, does Superman’s profile being severely outdated disqualify him from being used in matches? And if so shouldn’t his other matches be removed as well?
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So the purification is passive then? Is there any scans that suggest that it’s passive? If so then I’m ok with the match staying.
the speed Mecha Goku has in general, and the distance, makes the chance of Goku getting to Sonic and hitting once, leading you to a Saitama oneshot is just as likely as Sonic using chaos control. At best I see this as an inconclusive. Both characters being bloodlusted means one character’s wincon are just as likely to happen as the other.
If I’m being completely honest, I don’t see any reason as to why pre-crisis Superman should be used in a fight here in the condition he is in. He, on top of many MANY other DC and marvel characters with lacking pages in terms of their abilities makes it really unreliable to determine who would win in a fight if we don’t have all of their abilities listed for them from the get go. So yeah I’m ok with removing the other matches for Superman.
the speed Mecha Goku has in general, and the distance, makes the chance of Goku getting to Sonic and hitting once, leading you to a Saitama oneshot is just as likely as Sonic using chaos control. At best I see this as an inconclusive. Both characters being bloodlusted means one character’s wincon are just as likely to happen as the other.
If I’m being completely honest, I don’t see any reason as to why pre-crisis Superman should be used in a fight here in the condition he is in. He, on top of many MANY other DC and marvel characters with lacking pages in terms of their abilities makes it really unreliable to determine who would win in a fight if we don’t have all of their abilities listed for them from the get go. So yeah I’m ok with removing the other matches for Superman.
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Mecha Goku and Sonic are 4km away from each other, and speed is equalized. Saying two words >>>> Firing a ki blast and hitting something from 4km away.
Furthermore, Sonic have other haxes to win this such as Time Brake, with slows time almost to a halt, Ring Time and the wisps to win here, so the chance Goku would hit him before Sonic could do any of these things is pretty low
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4km away means Jack shit to someone who’s MFTL+. That alone can travel 4km in no time. Also you’re completely missing the point of my argument. You’re arguing that Sonic would use his hax first when none of the ones he starts with (chaos control to be precise) is thought based, let alone passive. Why would that be something that beats a MFTL+ character who can fly right to you and land one hit. Having numerous hax means Jack shit in my point because BOTH characters can equally win. Saying Sonic is the only one who wins because hax is ignoring how long Sonic needs to use said hax, which is more than enough for Goku to oneshot. Both sides have an equal shot at winning, which at best would’ve made that match an inconclusive.
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1. Speed is equal and both are MFTL+. You realize Sonic can just dodge this attack while saying Chaos Control right? Also Shadow can use Chaos Control with a thought. Hyper Sonic scales massively above Shadow in terms of potency of his Chaos Control
2. Speed being equalized meaning that it's doesn't matter to what speed they're equalized to, because relative to each other they're equal, meaning Sonic would also be able to say the words much faster too, long before Mecha Goku's ki blast would reach him
3. I already told you Sonic has many haxes he could use to win. Please don't ignore my points for them, especially since haxes such as Time Brake slows down time very significantly and doesn't rely on a voice command
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Chaos Control doesn't need verbal words to use, it's just like arguing Goku needs to say "Kamehameha" before using the move, Chaos Control has been used without saying it, using that to argue a match should be removed is dumb
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Do you have any scans that it can be done without words? If so I’d like to see that, and also the purification being passive scan.
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Passive Purification is shown here with the fight against Perfect Chaos, and also here as well with him against the Mother Wisp. In both cases Super Sonic never used an ability or some kind of a spell to purify them and just simply attacked normally. It was also mentioned in the first example that Super Sonic's powers purified Chaos just from him fighting the Super hedgehog, rather than Sonic activating some kind of ability
Here is Shadow using Chaos Control without needing to speak. Shadow also uses Chaos Control without speaking here too
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Those look more like something shadow exclusively could do, and not sonic given he's more skilled with the CE than Sonic is. Do you have any clips of Sonic using it to the same extent that shadow can? As for the purification, ok I can see the match staying.
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Sonic is able to use Chaos Control much like Shadow can, as Sonic learned this ability very quickly and used it to go toe-to-toe in their second fight in Sonic Adventure 2. Also, due to Super forms having vastly improved control over chaos energy compared to base forms, Super Sonic has far more control over Chaos Control than base Shadow have, and Hyper Sonic has even better control of chaos energy compared to Super Sonic
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Ok then Mecha Goku vs Sonic can stay. I’m assuming the rest of the matches you don’t mind getting removed?
