Undertale revisions 3 but please god let these be accepted so i can make more profiles

[Antvasima]

DarkGrath is probably correct.

 

[DarkGrath]

Yeah, that's all fair to me. I suppose Empathic Manip wouldn't work then.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What about the Faded Ribbon?

 

[Antvasima]

I am also fine with Andy's conclusions.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Commenting on just a few things
Durability Negation-The statement is "Saving over Asriel's file" not existence, and it likely just means overpowering his Save and Load abilities with your own. I don't think there's any durability negation here

Power mimicry resistance- No. Determination is a substance that the monsters cannot produce artificially, but that says nothing about what would happen if someone with a power copying ability interacted with it.

Empathic manipulation- Empathic should be limited to direct manipulation of someone's mind or emotion. Achieving a certain effect via talking should just be social influencing

But Asriel doesn't have SAVE and LOAD abilities. In fact that's why he wants yours. And how would that equate to defeating him?

That's why I said "limited immunity to Power Mimicry", because you CANNOT create SOUL power artificially, and some Power Mimicry users such as Ultron work like that.

Yes, but this is something that talking shouldn't be able to do in the first place. Even the Courier has needed to know the person's language before using their Social Influencing on them.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Because the True Reset is "at least 2-C, likely 2-B" shouldn't the Normal Reset be Low 2-C? Flowey stated he had the power he described (The Power to erase everything), so could Flowey and Frisk have "Low 2-C with Reset"

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Flowey was talking about Chara during that scene.

 

[Andytrenom]

Asriel is literally the ultimate form of Flowey, there's zero reason why he would lose his SAVE and LOAD abilities

 

[DarkGrath]

Wasn't there something in the story about how the only person in the universe to have SAVE and LOAD abilities was the person with the most determination?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Yeah, that's the whole reason why Frisk now has that power; becuase it used to be Flowey's.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Asriel is literally the ultimate form of Flowey, there's zero reason why he would lose his SAVE and LOAD abilities

Frisk was more determined, so he would have no LOAD abilities

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Flowey was talking about Chara during that scene.

Well it wouldn't make sense if that was what Flowey was talking about, as he states

Flowey: YOU still have the power to reset everything. Toriel, Sans, Asgore, Alphys, Papyrus, Undyne...If you so choose... Everyone will be ripped from this timeline......And sent back before all of this ever happened. Nobody will remember anything. You'll be able to do whatever you want.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Flowey literally states he's talking to Chara at the end of this conversatio.

One of the many reasons I have incredible doubts that The Anomaly is even a real person.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

That Doesn't change anything really, Flowey was talking about the True Reset, not the Chara thingy, chara could have been the one that did the True Reset

And I agree with you about the Anomaly

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Chara doesn't HAVE the True Reset.

I've been wanting to get it deleted for a while now.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Well Flowey stated he had that power, and it is the Power that Frisk was trying to stop

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Flowey didn't say Chara had the True Reset.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Flowey stated he himself had it

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Oh, I see. but Chara doesn't have SAVE and LOAD.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Well Chara was reawakened by Frisk's determination, so Chara has some of his Determination

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

That doesn't mean Chara has any of Frisk's powers.

 

[Antvasima]

@Andy

What should we do here?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I don't see anything DarkGrath mentioned that I couldn't add.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

What should we do here?

 

[DarkGrath]

Whatever I and Andy agreed with can probably be applied, if the revisions haven't been applied already.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is hopefully fine then.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Heck, I'd be fine with implementing all these myself.

 

[Antvasima]

What do you wish to do in summary?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Undyne:
- Add Weapon Mastery

- Add limited Telekinesis

Toriel:

- Add the ability to erase energy constructs (whichever ability that would qualify for, perhaps Energy Manipulation?

- Change intelligence to "At least Gifted, likely/possibly Genius".

- Remove "unwillingness to kill" from weaknesses.

Asgore:

- Change the AP description to include more relevant information.

- Add Resistance to Extreme Cold (I think; still would like more context)

Papyrus:

- Adjust the intelligence section.

Alphys:

- Add limited Magnetism Manipulation.

- Add Healing via Instant Noodles.

- Include several intelligence feats in the intelligence section.

Frisk:

- Add Draw, Flex, and Clear Mind to their Notable Techniques section

- Fix the Jetpack description typo.

- Add limited Intangibility

- Add Longevity

- Add Empathic Manipulation

- Add... whatever the ability for forming something physical from an idea would be.

- Add Resistance to Absorption

- Add limited Power Nullification

Vulkin:

- Add Smoke Manipulation

- Add Magma Manipulation and Resistance to Magma Manipulation

- Add Statistics Reduction

Sans:

- Add limited Power Nullification (for Intangibility)

- Add Air Manipulation

- Add possibly Dimensional Travel

Muffet:

- Add Statistics Reduction

Annoying Dog:

- Add Transmutation

- Add Plot Manipulation

- Add Life Manipulation

- Add Law Manipulation

- Add Age Manipulation

- Add Willpower Manipulation

- Add Mind Manipulation

- Add Spatial Manipulation

- Add Conceptual Manipulation

Chara:

- Add Fear Manipulation

That.

 

[DarkGrath]

That should all be fine to apply, and as mentioned higher up in the thread, Frisk "forming something physical from an idea" would be Subjective Reality.

 

[Abstractions]

Undyne still needs Immortality (Type 2) as agreed in this thread, if that is fine to apply as well.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I can do all this myself.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. All of that is probably fine to apply then.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

*Cracks knuckles* Thank you. Time to get to work.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Apparently FANDOM dislikes asterisks

 

[Antvasima]

I fixed the formatting.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I'm gonna need somebody to unlock Frisk's page to add her stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Done. Anything I could've added that wasn't on the list?