Trafalgar Law vs Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

[Trihexa102]

The Rinnegan is allowing the Susano'o to block out the light. Law can simply go somewhere where the light won't hit him.

lol like where, his movement will be restricted allowing kaguya to end him easily no what he attempts.

 

[Trihexa102]

he can't be dodging no more , so GG.

 

[Purgy]

This was outside of Madara’s range to control them which is only like 70 meters. That’s why he couldn’t just turn them to hit Guy

Based on what? Why would Madara intentionally fire his TSB's out of his range to control them? That makes literally zero sense.

Also, we see prettly clearly that the TSB were disintegrating Minato's cloak when he teleported them, meaning their effect is still active when he teleports them.

Kakashi forcibly teleported one of Kaguyas space time gates with Kamui

That's not a higher layer though.

That’s not a good argument, using one’s arsenal is entirely in character especially since if she needs to. Using one example of her not using them on people immune to it is not a good argument against her using them.

• Kaguya was immune to them, did Naruto not use them against her?
• Madara was immune to them, did Naruto not use them against him?
• Sasuke was immune to them, did Naruto not use them against him?

They're still very useful even against opponents that are immune to the generic effects, she has zero excuse.

We don't really know if she has regular TSB iirc, and even if she does, it certainly isn't in character for her to use them given that she never did so.

 

[Kachon123]

lol like where, his movement will be restricted allowing kaguya to end him easily no what he attempts.

They're in a village with a ton of buildings.

 

[Trihexa102]

They're in a village with a ton of buildings.

lol ok she nukes konoha GG.

 

[Purgy]

This thread is just going in circles at this point and it's tiresome, unfollowing.

 

[Trihexa102]

what do you expect law to do against IF it's GG.

 

[Trihexa102]

Based on what? Why would Madara intentionally fire his TSB's out of his range to control them? That makes literally zero sense.

Also, we see prettly clearly that the TSB were disintegrating Minato's cloak when he teleported them, meaning their effect is still active when he teleports them.

That's not a higher layer though.

• Kaguya was immune to them, did Naruto not use them against her?
• Madara was immune to them, did Naruto not use them against him?
• Sasuke was immune to them, did Naruto not use them against him?

They're still very useful even against opponents that are immune to the generic effects, she has zero excuse.

We don't really know if she has regular TSB iirc, and even if she does, it certainly isn't in character for her to use them given that she never did so.

That's the point he can't control it at that range seeing as it's only affecting Minato coat, since it was teleported out of range.
It's like saying it's not in character for law to use Observation haki, when it's barely shown of him using it.
It teleporting another time-space gate by overlaying itself over it seems to imply it's layered.
well other than these , Law can't answer IF. so kaguya Fra

 

[Godernet]

Kaguya has Mid-High regeneration. Haki can negate Marco's regen, which is also Mid-High.

Kaguya has High Regen

 

[Trihexa102]

Kaguya has High Regen

shouldn't kaguya's regen scale above victors seeing as his was an inferior shinju?

 

[Godernet]

shouldn't kaguya's regen scale above victors seeing as his was an inferior shinju?

Kaguya does have some potential for even higher regen than what she has rn. Her and most of the verse are under revisions rn

 

[Trihexa102]

Kaguya does have some potential for even higher regen than what she has rn. Her and most of the verse are under revisions rn

The current profiles are dogshit right now, especially the speed section, hope the revision changes all lot of things like Lifting strength

 

[Godernet]

The current profiles are dogshit right now, especially the speed section, hope the revision changes all lot of things like Lifting strength

Speed revisions are happening soonish

 

[Trihexa102]

Speed revisions are happening soonish

definitely needed, didn't think it would be this hard to debate against law especially with the Milf

 

[KaydeeX]

Law is much faster, what's stopping him from cutting her into pieces with amputate?

With Kaguya invulnerability to non-sage attacks?
I don't think so

 

[KaydeeX]

As well as I think Kaguya should have resistance to spatial manipulation, solely for the reason of "six paths chakra users having resistance to the effects of the TSB"
And as it was previously addressed in Slayer's thread.

The arguments put up here against it aren't really convincing

 

[Kachon123]

With Kaguya invulnerability to non-sage attacks?

Ninjutsu, Elemental, and Energy-based attacks*

 

[Kachon123]

As well as I think Kaguya should have resistance to spatial manipulation

Haki has resistance negation.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'm heavily suspicious of these supposed 7 layers.

 

[Kachon123]

I'm heavily suspicious of these supposed 7 layers.

For Law?

 

[Deceived3596]

For all of these One Piece characters, do you have the thread which accepted these layers as being true by any chance?.

 

[Kachon123]

For all of these One Piece characters, do you have the thread which accepted these layers as being true by any chance?.

One Piece: Busoshoku Haki Potency and Buso Layers Scaling

First things first we have a clear heirarchy of Haki Potencies in the series. These will be the mechanics for finding out their potency. Scaling Methods of Buso A devil fruit power from a Haki user failing to work on another Haki user means the other Haki user is relative to (or superior to)...

vsbattles.com

 

[Kidkinsey]

I skimmed like 2 pages what was the argument against infinite tsukyomi gg? Also kaguya can regen from pure energy so even if she is cut she will be perfectly fine

Also if ANY Ash bone or tso touches law the fight is over

 

[Kachon123]

I skimmed like 2 pages what was the argument against infinite tsukyomi gg?

Law is damn near blitz levels fast than her and can take her out with a single hit while we have reason to assume Kaguya would open wit Infinite Tsukuyomi.

kaguya can regen from pure energy so even if she is cut she will be perfectly fine

Law's spatial cuts negate regeneration, as does Haki.

Also if ANY Ash bone or tso touches law the fight is over

Big "if" considering how fast Law is compared to her and how he has precog, teleportation, perfect knowledge of everyone going on in his room, mind reading, intent sensing, danmaku countermeasures, instinctive action, and more.

 

[Kidkinsey]

She won't open with it but if she feels pressured it's coming out

Does it negate regen up to her level? Also when did his regular spatial cuts (with no haki) negate regen

she also has teleportation and massively more AOE. She also resist sensing so that can help vs observation haki

 

[Excellence616]

Law's spatial cuts negate regeneration, as does Haki.

Which type of regen?

 

[Kachon123]

She won't open with it but if she feels pressured it's coming out

And by that time it'd be too late, as Law's wincons are near-instant.

Does it negate regen up to her level?

Yes.

Also when did his regular spatial cuts (with no haki) negate regen

This would also negate convetional regeneration as this attack doesn't physically damage his opponents

She also resist sensing so that can help vs observation haki

Scan?

Which type of regen?

I don't understand what you're asking

 

[Excellence616]

I don't understand what you're asking

Kaguya regen goes along with immortality

 

[Kidkinsey]

Idk how to send scans on here but she bypassed narutos sensing and he has emotion danger comsic esp etc

What classifies as conventional regen? Because she came back from pure energy

 

[DarkFirst546]

Scan?

Sensing negation is a basic skill of otsutsuki:



Jigen when shrinking and erasing his presence could not be felt by Naruto:



Even though Naruto can sense things in another dimension:



Kaguya couldn't be sensed by Naruto's sensing either:



idk, how observation haki works.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Totally forgot boruto buffed Otsutsuki abilties lol

 

[LordGinSama]

To quote UchihaSlayer directly regarding TSO vs Space.



That argument is regarding something else entirely. The guy I was arguing against was trying to use the Kakashi example to nerf the TSO's Power Null to not being capable of Nullifying all Ninjutsu.
This doesn't really work due to the nature of both the TSOs and Kamui. As I explained, TSOs only null what they make physical contact with, and Kamui by its nature simply does not fulfill that condition. The spatial barrier created by Kamui does not actually make contact with what's inside of it. Only exceptions are when the barrier is smaller than the intended target (for example, specifically targeting a limb). So that whole bit was just in regards to the Power Null aspect.

The Spatial Erasure (not space-time anymore as per Arc's translation, but the profiles still need to be updated) comes from the ETSO erasing Kaguya's dimension spatially (according to the aforementioned TL, and the regular TSOs being stated as exactly the same as the ETSO minus the obvious size disparity. It's not related to the Kamui stuff at all.

 

[LordGinSama]

Law is cutting those TSO into bits.

 

[Godernet]

All gooning aside,

Law still can't get past the High Regen + immortality, so she just keeps reforming via her chakra regardless of how many times Law tries cutting her into pieces.

Also, a 4x speed difference isn't that crazy in Nard. even mid-characters like Kisame can still compete with people that amp their speed more than 5x what it normally is(The 8 Gates), let alone with Dojutsu like the Byakugan and Rinne Sharingan that give enhanced perception and analytical prediction. Hell even Naruto used an amp similar to the Gates against Kaguya and She could match him with no issue (Boil Release)

Not to mention she can become exponentially faster with the chakra from IT.

Also if Kaguya does use IT assuming Law would instantly know not to let the light touch him and travel somewhere that it doesn't is a bit shaky since

• There's no guarantee he could in time.
• There's no guarantee he would instantly know to do so.
• There's a chance the light pierces his hiding place anyways(in the anime we are shown that the light can pierce through buildings and hit people in their bedrooms. consistent with the fact that everyone in the world was affected including a lot of people likely indoors.)
• She could also just destroys his hiding spots and keep attacking since IT lasts a while Law will have a period of time where his mobility options are limited and he has to avoid any contact with the light meaning it will be easier for Kaguya to use attacks like All Killing Ash Bone, TSO, or any physical attack to one shot.

AP from Buso doesn't matter here with the huge stats disparity here but realistically Law doesn't fight that way in character anyways.

Law's layered Spatial Manipulation(at least for now) would stop BFR unless she tried to drag him into the dimension physically but Law could avoid it with Obv Haki + Shambles anyways.

Law's soul manipulation wouldn't work on Kaguya because, with Tailed Beast chakra, she can physically grab her soul if it's ejected and with this big stat gap Law wouldn't win a tug-of-war for Kaguya's soul.

Not to mention the Juubi form which would give her huge AOE and range via TBB on top of her flight she could ravage the world like she did versus Hagaromo. Or her ability to fuse with the environment's terrain and attack people with it.

With all of this in mind, Law really doesn't have a way to put Kaguya down permanently through her regen and immortality, But Kaguya has a lot of wincons if she ever catches Law slipping in what will be a long fight in which Kaguya has far more stamina to operate on having more chakra than Naruto who can fight for days.


Kaguya Wincons:

• Outlasting Law
• IT
• Landing pretty much any attack (through her massive AP advantage or One Shot capabilities with Hax and a huge arsenal with ranges varying from dozens of meters to thousands of kilometers.)

Law's Wincons
- ???

 

[LordGinSama]

Law still can't get past the High Regen + immortality, so she just keeps reforming via her chakra regardless of how many times Law tries.

He can, his spatial hax doesn't do actual damage so there's nothing to "regenerate." from.



High regeneration doesn't allow you to heal from things that don't even damage you to begin with. To "regenerate." from Law's spatial manipulation she'd need an ability like Kisuke's bankai which stitches shit back together.

 

[SnookB]

Law still can't get past the High Regen + immortality, so she just keeps reforming via her chakra regardless of how many times Law tries cutting her into pieces.

What part of "his cuts don't injure, just spatially displace the target's parts" does nobody on this cursed ass thread get

 

[SnookB]

Law's Wincons
- ???

He's over 3 times faster than her even when not counting his teleportation
He can reverse just about any physical offense she throws in his direction and re-teleport it back at her
He can spawn Kroom over her instantly and cut her from a mile away
His armament resists a good few of her abilities
He can just ignore her regeneration, durability and any obstacle/substitution between himself and her via amputate
If she flies, he just uses takt to make himself fly via the environment to stay close. That's assuming he needs to, considering he can spawn a K-room on her no matter where she goes anyway

Several of those abilities (K-Room, Room, Shambles) are his starter abilities btw. He literally opens with one-shot moves that Kaguya is far too slow to react to, and has zero resistance to.

Pretty much whoever's quicker to make the first move wins, and unless Kaguya has prior knowledge to his abilities she has no reason to even prepare for a K-room one tap

 

[Godernet]

What part of "his cuts don't injure, just spatially displace the target's parts" does nobody on this cursed ass thread get

the cuts that he creates can also be reattached as we've seen with Kinemon. She can just reform her body as pure chakra

Let me ask you if Law cut off Kizaru's hand, could he reattach via his logia?

 

[SnookB]

Let me ask you if Law cut off Kizaru's hand, could he reattach via his logia?

He cut two square holes in two seperate logias and neither regenerated them

 

[SnookB]

the cuts that he creates can also be reattached as we've seen with Kinemon. She can just reform her body as pure chakra

Yes, Kinemon attached HIS OWN BODY again. He didn't grow a second body. Kaguya has to actively move to her own body to reattach somehow and that's assuming she doesn't get done in like Vergo and be sliced to bits so small that they can't even move to each other