Trafalgar Law vs Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

[LordGinSama]

Guys out here making shit up at this point lmfao

 

[Trihexa102]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/yall-have-no-choice-but-to-accept-this-revision-as-my-welcome-back-also-late-birthday-present.153698/

 

[Kachon123]

lol but i am hearing R-room or regen negation which aren't even on law's profile.

Law's regen naegation is both on his and the haki page, which both work in different ways but get the job done nonetheless.

As for R-Room, Law's page literally says this:

Note: This profile covers only the feats done until the Wano arc

His page is outdated currently. Stop acting like a child and come up with actual arguments as to why things aren't on the page when on the page that you apparently looked through so carefully states that it only has up until Wano arc.

 

[Purgy]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/yall-have-no-choice-but-to-accept-this-revision-as-my-welcome-back-also-late-birthday-present.153698/

That thread doesn't help you because it says this

In the second scan, we have Kakashi teleporting part of the TSO with Kamui. Again, this doesn't really say anything as far a limitation is concerned. Kamui can't be negated because the Jutsu isn't and can't make physical contact with the TSO. Kamui, as a Justu is initiated in the user's eye, and is based on creating a spatial barrier around whatever the user is looking at. The barrier then teleports the object(s) inside it to the Kamui dimension. So again, there's no physical contact being made with any Jutsu here. Like, what's the TSB supposed to negate here? Space?

Which applies to Law all the same, there's no projectile or physical attack that comes into contact with the TSB for it to be nulled, Law simply spatially cuts things apart.

 

[LordGinSama]

That thread doesn't help you because it says this

Which applies to Law all the same, there's no projectile or physical attack that comes into contact with the TSB for it to be nulled, Law simply spatially cuts things apart.

I was right about to say this lol.

 

[Trihexa102]

Law's regen naegation is both on his and the haki page, which both work in different ways but get the job done nonetheless.

As for R-Room, Law's page literally says this:



His page is outdated currently. Stop acting like a child and come up with actual arguments as to why things aren't on the page when on the page that you apparently looked through so carefully states that it only has up until Wano arc.

it doesn't matter that's that whole reason there is a profile to go off on in the first place.

 

[Kachon123]

it doesn't matter that's that whole reason there is a profile to go off on in the first place.

It does matter, as the whole point of notes on profiles are to indicate why certain things are or aren't there.

 

[Trihexa102]

That thread doesn't help you because it says this

Which applies to Law all the same, there's no projectile or physical attack that comes into contact with the TSB for it to be nulled, Law simply spatially cuts things apart.

how is he attack kaguya when he lacks range and contact, Ice dimension either freezes him or Lava dimension end it.

 

[Trihexa102]

It does matter, as the whole point of notes on profiles are to indicate why certain things are or aren't there.

isn't that why there is a reason for Crt's to put things on the profile.

 

[Trihexa102]

Also like i said what is stopping kaguya from casting infinite tsukuyomi and ending it GG right there.

 

[Godernet]

Since when do they neg spatial manipulation? Minato's spatial teleportation worked on them,

Minato did it once they flew out of Madara’s range to control them

Kamui worked on them multiple times iirc,

Kamui also affects space time gates. It’s layered

and Guy's spatial manip through natural speed worked on them lol...

Guy never touched a TSO beyond the sheer speed of his kick warping one. Which doesn’t matter because he begs spatial manipulation not space itself

Also, Kaguya doesn't have or use regular TSB's for defensive purposes etc, she has ETSB which is a last resort attack.

She definitely can but all the people she was fighting minus Sakura are immune to them.

Spatial Manipulation (Has the capacity to create a spherical territory, a "Room", where he has complete control over the placement and orientation of the objects inside. Anything caught within the path of Law's sword-swing is spatially displaced. This would also negate convetional regeneration as this attack doesn't physically damage his opponents.)

No, they have an innate invulnerability to Ninjutsu techniques, which includes energy and elemental ones, this is why it's listed as limited, because it's hyperspecific and verse constrained.

It’s limited because a goober tried to downgrade them without understanding how they work which got reversed recently in a thread by Slayer.

Her having resistance/immunity to spatial manipulation isn't on her profile.

It is. Just not in the right section. Her profile needs to be cleaned.

hold on I’ll post more in a bit but my internet went out and I’m now on my phone

 

[Kachon123]

Also like i said what is stopping kaguya from casting infinite tsukuyomi.

To do that she needs to send Law to her other dimension, which he resists with Haki.

 

[LordGinSama]

Kamui also affect space time gates. It’s layered

Affecting space with spatial manipulation doesn't make it layered? That's like me saying my soul manipulation is layered for manipulation a soul. Like no?

 

[Trihexa102]

n

To do that she needs to send Law to her other dimension, which he resists with Haki.

nah this fight takes place in konoha, she can still use IF and it's GG.

 

[Kachon123]

Kamui also affect space time gates. It’s layered

And Law's isn't?

 

[Trihexa102]

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Affecting space with spatial manipulation doesn't make it layered? That's like me saying my soul manipulation is layered for manipulation a soul. Like no?

hmm ok what makes Law's layered?

 

[Kachon123]

nah this fight takes place in konoha, she can still use IF and it's GG.

"Read the profile"

• Infinite Tsukuyomi (無限月読, Mugen Tsukuyomi): After creating a portal to one of her dimensions that contains a moon with Yomotsu Hirasaka, Kaguya reflects her Rinne Sharingan off it to bathe the world w On the technique's activation, the light from the moon's eye illuminates the entire planet, turning it bright as day and making it impossible to escape. All living things are bathed in its penetrating light and immediately placed under the genjutsu. This causes a reflection of the Rinnegan to appear in their eyes as they are rendered immobile, though their cognitive abilities remain unimpaired.

 

[LordGinSama]

And Law's isn't?

Kamui isn't even layered. For layers it'd need to bypass a resistance, which it doesn't in Kamui's case.

 

[Godernet]

Affecting space with spatial manipulation doesn't make it layered? That's like me saying my soul manipulation is layered for manipulation a soul. Like no?

He could forcibly shut a space time rift with his Kamui. Over powering an ability to tear holes in space would make it qualitatively better

 

[Kachon123]

hmm ok what makes Law's layered?

Haki primarily.


K Room > Big Mom (7 layers) > Law (6 layers)

 

[Godernet]

"Read the profile"

I think it only says that for conveniency. realistically If the Moon is out she can use it anywhere. That’s how the jutsu works and how Madara uses it.

 

[Trihexa102]

And Law's isn't?

Nah she casted it on the ninja world in the past when hagoromo and hamura stopped her , so did madara . so no GG nothing law can do.

 

[Godernet]

Haki primarily.


K Room > Big Mom (7 layers) > Law (6 layers)

Where do the rest of those layers come from?

 

[Purgy]

Minato did it once they flew out of Madara’s range to control them

Minato teleported them so that they would be out of Madara's range to control, but they were still within that range when Minato did it given that Madara was firing them at Guy.

Kamui also affect space time gates. It’s layered

What's a "space-time gate"?

Guy never touched a TSO

He warped it here

Regardless, it's already been cleared up through the thread Trihexa102 posted, TSB's can't null something that doesn't have a tangible form and doesn't come into contact with the TSB directly, which applies to Law's spatial manipulation, it's not a projectile or physical attack, it's just a force that separates spatially.

She definitely can but all the people she was fighting minus Sakura are immune to them.

We never see this and most of all, it means it's not in character.

 

[LordGinSama]

He could forcibly shut a space time rift with his Kamui.

You can effect space with space, that doesn't make it layered.

Over powering an ability to tear holes in space would make it qualitatively better

Better sure, but not layered in terms of resistances. Being able to use spatial manipulation on something that isn't even resistant to spatial manipulation to begin with isn't impressive especially in comparison to Law who has actual layers.

 

[Trihexa102]

Minato teleported them so that they would be out of Madara's range to control, but they were still within that range when Minato did it given that Madara was firing them at Guy.

What's a "space-time gate"?

He warped it here

Regardless, it's already been cleared up through the thread Trihexa102 posted, TSB's can't null something that doesn't have a tangible form and doesn't come into contact with the TSB directly, which applies to Law's spatial manipulation, it's not a projectile or physical attack, it's just a force that separates spatially.

We never see this and most of all, it means it's not in character.

it can null elements like fire style, lightning style, which are intangible and surpasses jinton style which atomizes.

 

[Kachon123]

Where do the rest of those layers come from?

Rest of what layers?

 

[Trihexa102]

Rest of what layers?

so how does law stop IF?. I don't see anything he can do to stop it.

 

[Godernet]

Minato teleported them so that they would be out of Madara's range to control, but they were still within that range when Minato did it given that Madara was firing them at Guy.

This was outside of Madara’s range to control them which is only like 70 meters. That’s why he couldn’t just turn them to hit Guy

What's a "space-time gate"?

Kakashi forcibly teleported one of Kaguyas space time gates with Kamui

He warped it here

Regardless, it's already been cleared up through the thread Trihexa102 posted, TSB's can't null something that doesn't have a tangible form and doesn't come into contact with the TSB directly, which applies to Law's spatial manipulation, it's not a projectile or physical attack, it's just a force that separates spatially.

That’s not true either since it can neg souls lol but it is true that it has to come in contact

We never see this and most of all, it means it's not in character.

That’s not a good argument, using one’s arsenal is entirely in character especially since if she needs to. Using one example of her not using them on people immune to it is not a good argument against her using them.

 

[Godernet]

Rest of what layers?

You said Law has 6 layers for his spatial potency

 

[Kachon123]

You said Law has 6 layers for his spatial potency

Via Haki.

 

[Kachon123]

so how does law stop IF?. I don't see anything he can do to stop it.

Covering himself from the light.

 

[Trihexa102]

Via Haki.

where does the law 6 layers come from and big mom's 7 layers?

 

[Kachon123]

where does the law 6 layers come from and big mom's 7 layers?

Via Haki.

 

[Trihexa102]

Covering himself from the light.

covering himself where

 

[LordGinSama]

I'm just gonna talk to Slayer personally about the contradictions for the TSO sections.

"It can delete space"


Two seconds later


"Whats it supposed to hit? Space??"

 

[Kachon123]

what light

From the moon???

 

[Godernet]

From the moon???

Via his Rinnegan enhanced Susanoo ability to fight it off, not a normal cloak.

you need to be either not alive or have relevant mental resistances to avoid being caught in it.

 

[Trihexa102]

I'm just gonna talk to Slayer personally about the contradictions for the TSO sections.

"It can delete space"


Two seconds later


"Whats it supposed to hit? Space??"

it's greater than the jinton style which atomizes, and is able to delete intagible elements like fire. besides kaguya intended to use them to nuke her time-space , so it definitely erases space.

 

[Kachon123]

Via his Rinnegan enhanced Susanoo ability to fight it off, not a normal shadow.

The Rinnegan is allowing the Susano'o to block out the light. Law can simply go somewhere where the light won't hit him.