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Kaguya's regeneration isn't stopping Law. She has a very situational regen that isn't activating in this fight
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Trafalgar Law vs Kaguya Ōtsutsuki
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Bro, Sasuke couldn't move.
How?
This here is a problem. Because Haki doesn't negate all devil fruit abilities in OP. So how do you scale it negging Kaguya's abilities?
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Please explain
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Just tag godernet and he'll better explain the arguments
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Sasuke isn't Itachi or Law.
Read his profile.
Haki negates spatial manipulation. Read the Haki page.
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I just talked to him offsite because of it and explained the actual origins to her regen
Kaguya doesn't have traditional regen.
She regenerates from her huge truthseeking ball created from her huge rabbit form.
The rabbit form is made when Naruto makes her body unstable from the bijuu chakra he attacks her with. Law has no such thing.
And in order for that ETSO to happen, she needs to have the infinite tsukuyomi activated, which will draw the chakra she requires to make it
Many situations in the thread that won't happen
"She regens from her ETSO destroying her body and the dimension" she resists her ETSO. Makes no sense for her to regen from something she resists.
Also, she isn't regenerating from Law's slashes. They don't deal damage, you can't regen from something that doesn't deal damage unless your regen is special body control that brings your limbs back together like Meliodas
Fezzih_007
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We need 2 votes for Law and 6 votes for Kaguya to add this match on they profiles.
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Well add me for Law
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The point is that stronger Haki negates weaker abilities
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This just means that her paralyzation is layered.
So is Law's resistance, but to a greater degree.
Notice how this is a general Haki ability listed on the Haki page and not specifically for Big Mom and Kaidou.
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Kaguya does have a traditional regen similar to other Juubi Jins. In fact, scales higher.
To say it's situational would require a direct statement from the manga of which there is none. Even her Rabbit Bijuu Form is implied by Black Zetsu that Kaguya can change to that form at will.
She does not regen from her truth seeker ball. The only thing you can conclude is that her normal regen needs to be activated and it takes time.
The TSB expansion/explosion is not something that can be resisted. Even Juubito had to block the explosion, and at one point got damaged even with his TSB resistance.
Laws slashes don't deal damage, that is correct. I can see how Kaguya's high regen would not kick in. However, to say Kaguya cannot reattach a severed limb is laughable given characters with lesser healing abilities have done so, and never even did with a particular jutsu - see Kakuzu and Hidan.
Now let's say Kaguya can't regen. How does that stop her from using her other abilities even in her severed state?
Where is Law's layered resistance to paralysis?
Are you telling me that everyone with haki can resist Law's spatial ability?
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Haki is willpower-based.
Anyone with relative or stronger Haki than law can resist it as shown here with Hawkins.
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I mean, we've already seen TSBs affecting their users when users lose control for a while, it was like that with Juubito and Kaguya:
Kaguya must have a regeneration greater than Hashirama's cells by scale for Madara/Juubi, Hashirama's cells alone can regenerate body limbs when they are stitched into place:
and Madara after absorbing the shinjuu that was Kaguya claims to have gained complete immortality:
Kaguya claims to be immortal and is in fact immortal, characters using her powers have advanced regeneration techniques, moreover if she didn't have this immortality it would mean that she could be defeated by other means than the seal that is the whole plot, which in the context of the verse doesn't make sense, so I don't think her regeneration is just situational.
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No
no, she's transforming her body to her original form after turning into the rabbit form, your assuming theres a correlation between the regeneration and her TSB because after this scene her hands are back, this is a prime example of the Casual Fallacy. theres no suggestion in the databooks nor in the text that her regeneration is tied to her rabbit form or her TSB, this also ignoring the very real logistical issues to your interpretation if her immortality and regeneration was tied to a situational offensive attack.
This is also ignoring the fact that there's no reason to assume Kaguya's regen would be inferior to people Juubi Madara or Juubito who are literally just using bootleg versions of her powers. the same madara that can fly and talk as a floating torso.
The Ten tails gives people inherent regeneration, yet the person who is the progenitor of all this and has the ten tails herself requires an overtly specific external group of people that have never existed until this specific instance in history so that she could create a very specific offensive jutsu to give her regeneration.
NO??? this is nonsense
you realize that all this boils down to is semantics right, given that you can absolutely steelman this by going down a long rabbit hole of what defines damage and injury can be broken down in its basic elements to be nothing more than causation between events and the end result. its not worth dying on a hill for.
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She has inferior feats, getting limbs chopped off and cuts in her body with no healing of that. She has no regen from that
They resist the dust and EE aspect of it. You can get hurt by the force of a TSB, but they resist the hax of it
Kakuzu has a specific ability with the sole intention of reattaching limbs. Tsunade got cut in half and couldn't regen. Kaguya got her arm chopped off and didn't reattach it.
Limbs disconnected from the rest of the Keirakukei, specific parts won't be able to use chakra
If they have better Haki than Law, yes, that's what we accept currently
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So... instead of it being "she regenerates from TSB"... it's "she regenerates from rabbit form"
Juubi Madara got cut in half and regrew his entire bottom half back
Kaguya got her arm chopped off by Naruto and couldn't do anything about it
Kaguya got her shoulder removed by Kakashi and couldn't do anything about it
Yes, because we see her not able to regen
Bro what
Law affects people with regen higher than what his damage deals to them and they can't regen from his attacks
Regeneration is the recreation of material, which makes re-generation.
Law isn't cutting your limbs apart, he's spatially displacing them
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Law can also literally just fuse her limbs to shit like rocks.
Slashes her arm off, fuses it to a rock at the bottom of the ocean. Slashes off her head, fused her head on top of a near by mountain, etc.
Slashes her arm off, fuses it to a rock at the bottom of the ocean. Slashes off her head, fused her head on top of a near by mountain, etc.
Fezzih_007
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Ok, since the vote difference is 4, we need to wait Grace.
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Show me where Law has used Haki to overcome paralysis. Your argument is like me saying all Naruto characters can resist Aizen's hypnosis.
That means Haki's resistance is situational. It's not hax-based, it's power based.
A powerful Devil Fruit ability can ignore a user's haki resistance.
Because we can't assume that Devil Fruit Abilities > All Ninjutsu. Law's spatial bfr is way less powerful than Kaguya's who can use it on an inter-dimensional/inter planetary range.
For real, I don't think there's any ground to stand on haki resisting Kaguya's bfr. And it's even worse for Law who has no direct haki feats.
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Saying Law has no direct Haki feats is like me saying Naruto has no direct Chakra feats lmfao
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Powerful devil fruit ability = devil fruit + powerful haki. No devil fruit just ignores haki unless it hits somewhere haki can't reach
means nothing at all, laws is more layered
Saying Law has no direct haki feats means you don't read one piece when this is the dude who reverted biological manipulation with straight haki
Eminiteable
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He would be if haki didn't exist, Law FRA also.The way you guys speak about Law makes it seems like he’s top 3 in verse
Law FRA
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The healing is activated. We've seen from Juubidara that it is not passive regeneration. It is activated and it's not a quick process.
She has superior feats according to the databook, that explained she came back even after losing her physical form.
The force you are talking about is not what hurt Juubito. Because, if it were just force alone then a multi-city block-size explosion would not scratch a juubi-tier character.
And Hidan? What Jutsu does he have besides his immortality?
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We blatantly see it's passive when he passively grows back the damage from Guy
She never lost her physical form, ever.
Databook doesn't have feats it has statements.
She doesn't scale to their regen. Their regen comes from Hashirama cells amplified by the ten tails' power, something she doesn't utilize.
It wouldn't. AP ≠ DC though
He doesn't come back together, Kakuzu puts him back together
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Rubbish. Why didn't he immediately start growing back Limbs when Sasuke sliced him? Instead had a whole monologue of history with Obito in the kamui dimension.
Databook is secondary canon. It's accepted if there is nothing countering in the manga.
I can do this all day with Naruto feats. Madara re-attaching Zetsu's limbs?
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Regrowing limbs is low-mid. Regrowing lower half of the body is mid. He gained mid when he got his other rinnegan back.
Bro said rubbish and was wrong. Regrowing limbs and regrowing the lower half of your body are 2 completely different things
Send me the scan where that is said. I don't take "databook says", I take "here is a scan of the databook saying".
You gon look dumb all day
That isn't regen, that's literally combining a separate limb to you by force. That's body control
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Wow
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no she isnt regenerating, she is transforming....
Madara was Bisected, he then BFR himself into another dimension and had entire conversation and monologue while as a floating torso, he then returns a while later fully regenerated.
Kaguya has her hand chopped off and nearly immediately hit by Naruto's Bijuu chakra rasenshuriken
Kakashi damages her torso and while she is still in free fall she gets sealed by the rest of team 7.
none of your examples are evidence of kaguya not being able to regenerate, given that the time between injuring and the following event is exponentially much quicker.
all this implies is that the regeneration isnt instant
But she does, your just prescribing her regeneration to something other than herself arbitrarily
regeneration is the rebuilding of pre existing material as a response to the omission of them.
this is irrelevant. what do you think happens when you scrape a piece of wood off a chair, you realize the matter isnt literally being destroyed, its being separated, the reason why we use terms like destroy or injury is from a pragmatic POV because we are talking about consequences to things and concepts in the here and now. teleporting someones heart across the world instantly without causing blood to spill is objectively moving one thing to another location, we would call it an injury because the consequences result in the the person as we know them being impaired. Now Law avoids this by ignoring the consequence which would normally be death, which is why it doesnt "injure" you but this doesn't account for the fact that there is omission of material, which will be regenerated if the character has that kind of control over their body, which kaguya does. she can literally transform her entire body, fuse with her environment and regenerate her missing arm which she was still actively connected to and could control.
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Do you just not read One Piece?
Or did you just ignore chapter 1063?
Voting Law for KT's reasons.
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so if it wasnt clear im Voting Kaguya
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And she transformed back to her base with her arm and a new zetsu
Okay? He still regrew the bottom half
Okay now "nearly immediately" she had a whole fight
Slashes her shoulder down to her stomach, and while she is still in free fall she gets chased by Naruto clones, who she opens a portal to one and throws an ash bone at the other, then jumps upwards to dodge them, then getting punched down, where she gets her horn broken and sealed
Give me feats of her regenerating like wtf
It implies the regeneration doesn't exist
Then send me feats
You wording it differently doesn't get the point across differently.
That's incredible
Spatial displacement ≠ traditional cutting. Simple
And she can't regen for shit, so it doesn't matter
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First of all, that's a physical effect so that whole argument collapsed upon itself whenever we're dealing with non physical jazz. The wood is separated, not spatially displaced. Law's amputate does not cause damage in any way shape or form, this is shown and stated multiple times in the manga.
Regeneration isn't covering Law's ability, again he isn't "damaging." you in the slightest. Law's stuff isn't based upon cause and effect so I fail the point your trying to make. The only thing irrelevant here is your personal interpretation of the definition of damage.
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also Law isnt Resisting Kaguya's massive AOE BFR
it doesnt just BFR people, it literally BFR's the environment
it doesnt just BFR people, it literally BFR's the environment
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...okay?
Law will fight her in whatever dimension she wants. It's not like she leaves people there.
Law will fight her in whatever dimension she wants. It's not like she leaves people there.
Godernet
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She did exactly that to Sasuke...
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No she did not, she made a portal and yanked him to a different dimension
Unlike Sasuke and very similar to Naruto, Law has precog. Shit ain't happening to him
If she tries that shit he will cut her hand off
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yes because she can regenerate, theres no contradicting here, your just assuming arbitrary causation .
my point wasn't that he couldn't, that it doesnt take literal seconds
she didnt have a whole fight
Her hand hits the floor and is instantly stabbed by Naruto's Rods
she then knocks Sasuke's susanoo back as she fies up and is intercepted by Naruto
Naruto then throws his Bijuu rasen shuriken at her
All this happens in a total of 3 panel within one consequential event.
You realize all this is happening within seconds unless you want to argue kakashi is free falling in the exact same position for several minutes
her regenerating her Hand is regen feat, what are you smoking
it does
Its in your own post, your just ignoring it because you think its the result of a giant offense energy attack
if you cant tell what the actual difference is then thats your issue
No its powerscaling brainrot for people who want to feel like their fictional character are special
if regenerating a limb isnt regenerating then i guess the ocean isnt made out of water.
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