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Top Five Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier 8: New Forum, same rules

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If interdimensional/cross-dimensional characters are being removed here's a list seriously there needs to be a final answer about this

3-a: yang qi

3-c: sailor moon? doesn't exactly show which keys have which range

4-b: darth sidious
senshi from sailor moon (universe)? same as sailor moon

High 4-c: evilswarm virus
bugs bunny? can travel across planes of existence = interdimensional/ low multiversal?

5-b: klein moretti

5-c: daruma

6-a: administrators (tower of god) interdimensional range

6-c: puella magi characters
negi springfield doesn't have 6-c

7-a: kumuko should have interdimensional for interacting with pocket dimensions

Low 7-b: dante (devil may cry)

7-c: nocturne? depends on which key
beiloune? description seems like he should have interdimensional

Low 7-c: natsumi

8-b: the sorrow

high 8-c: toujou karuna? can reach separate realms like heaven or the demon realm = interdimensional?
henry stickmin

9-c: eztli-tenoch
 
We already settled that I'm pretty sure. dimensional travel was agreed to stay.
 
Oh right Low 2-C having 2-B immortality isn’t considered a smurf as they are still 4-D. Guess I confused it with her 7-C self being a smurf.
 
Randomlamdom said:
Lordgriffin's removing interdimensional characters so idk what's happening
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The only character I've removed so far was Road Kamelot because I assumed we were treating Interdimensional range as smurf.

Can someone please explain if we are treating Interdimensional range as smurf or not?. Several characters would either get removed or added. In were not treating as smurf then I'll add Road Kamelot back. I won't bother removing anymore characters with Interdimensional range until it gets sorted out.
 
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I was told that Chowder may be a potential smurf due to his real self existing outside of the cartoon even after the budget runs out, so he may be removed from High 8-C
 
And for 2-B either Outsider or Kamen Rider Oma Zi-O. Former due to laundry list of hax and non-existence physiology type 1 while the latter also have laundry list of hax but also laundry list of resistances plus passive power null.
 
I'm not sure if Smashor is keeping up with the thread all that much. The last few edits were made by mods.

Also, I feel like Beiloune could be a bit higher in 7-C.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Can someone please explain if we are treating Interdimensional range as smurf or not?. Several characters would either get removed or added. In were not treating as smurf then I'll add Road Kamelot back. I won't bother removing anymore characters with Interdimensional range until it gets sorted out.
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Imagine a jar as pocket dimension, the inside of this jar is the size of a city which has a character that sustained said pocket dimension. Anyone who can reach into the pocket dimension without needing to actually enter it should have Interdimensional range.

And this is not a Smurf level ability since the jar/pocket dimension is till within 3-D space.
 
Roun12 said:
I'm not sure if Smashor is keeping up with the thread all that much. The last few edits were made by mods.

Also, I feel like Beiloune could be a bit higher in 7-C.
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I'm just doing it to keep the thread moving.

I'll be seeing if Beiloune can get higher but right now I'm heading to bed.
 
Beast_Zero_Gudako said:
Imagine a jar as pocket dimension, the inside of this jar is the size of a city which has a character that sustained said pocket dimension. Anyone who can reach into the pocket dimension without needing to actually enter it should have Interdimensional range.

And this is not a Smurf level ability since the jar/pocket dimension is till within 3-D space.
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So it would only be smurf level if they can travel/reach different time-space universes not small pocket dimensions?.

If that's the case, I'll put Road Kamelot back after I get some sleep.
 
Wouldn't interdimensiomal range have to be a smurf ability because the ability must travel along an additional axis of movement (if its low 2-C range or higher in 3D tiers for example)*
 
Alright then, Kamen Rider Cronus for strongest 5-C. Massive 5-C+ scaling chain, low-godly regen, open time-stop into finisher and his regen neg/immortality manip bypass any resurrection or whatever the Naruto character may have.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Wouldn't interdimensiomal range have to be a smurf ability because the ability must travel along an additional axis of movement (if its low 2-C range or higher in 3D tiers for example)*
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I mean, yes, Interdimensional range is literally put above Universal+, which is Low 2-C, in the range page because Interdimensional is that it can reach outside the universe but can't reach another universe.
 
Reaching into pocket realities that are in your own timeline should be just listed as a form of spatial manip and maybe mentioned in range, but it isn't exactly the same as traveling to other dimensions.

But by that logic, wouldn't all time manipulation also be considered smurf then? Time is literally the fourth dimension.

Is Rintarou Okabe considered a smurf sending his memories back in time? Dio for stopping it?

I am disagreeing with the idea by the way. I think it is dumb to consider someone's reach a smurf. Being able to open portals to other universes involves no negating resistances because higher infinity, **** you. Maybe if it's used as BFR there could be an argument, but even then if someone resists forced teleportation the range of where the teleportation puts you would have no bearing on negating resistance either.
 
I mean, all Time Manipulation is smurf, yes, that was said on one of the very firsts threads of this. It was just considered an excpetion for reasons I don't remember.
 
Ionliosite said:
I mean, all Time Manipulation is smurf, yes, that was said on one of the very firsts threads of this. It was just considered an excpetion for reasons I don't remember.
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Yeah...

And time manipulation can be applied as an actual smurf ability, while interdimensional range can't.

Which is my problem with it. Being able to open a portal to another world should not count as a smurf ability.
 
I mean, Interdimensional range is smurf no matter how you look at it, since it would involve breaching further than the universe - the range page puts it above Universal+ range BECAUSE the definition means it reaches outside of what Universal+ range can reach, and Universal+ is Low 2-C range. On the other hand, we could just take it as an exception like we already do with Time Hax.
 
Ionliosite said:
I mean, Interdimensional range is smurf no matter how you look at it, since it would involve breaching further than the universe - the range page puts it above Universal+ range BECAUSE the definition means it reaches outside of what Universal+ range can reach, and Universal+ is Low 2-C range. On the other hand, we could just take it as an exception like we already do with Time Hax.
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I take smurf to mean a character who can use "muh infinity bigger" as a reason for their abilities working better.

Someone with dimensional travel can't really claim that, or at least I've yet to see us rating teleportation bfr based on its range.
 
Honestly, whether or not it's a smurf ability, it should be an exception imo.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
I take smurf to mean a character who can use "muh infinity bigger" as a reason for their abilities working better.
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Smurf just means "character with higher dimensional abilities when the character itself is of lower dimensionality", such as 3-D characters with 4-D powers. So, this would count as 4-D, and thus smurf. This is literally the reason all Time Hax is smurf.
 
I suppose one conclusion would be to have it where "Smurf'ism" and "Non-smurf'ism" is strictly only for hax/abilities

My opinion though; If were excluding characters who have 2-A/Low 2-C AP due to a weapon or same tier but with special armor for their durability but their physical base stats are say random example are 5-A. Then range should also be considered smurfy if its beyond their dimensionality
 
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