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Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier 20

Zaratthustra said:
What its "above baseline soul hax", first time hearing of such thing.
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Works on a level higher than normal soul hax. You could do this by soul haxing a higher dimensional being, soul haxing souls or beings that resist soul hax, or have your soul hax work on a generally greater scale
 
Wondering whatever happened to Archie Pre Sonic vs Doctor Strange for 4-B. Didn't Sonic win that or is Stranges stuff much more versital despite losing to Sonic?
 
Little Treasure should be in the 1th 10-B spot since he stomped Molecule Man Here, thus everybody on the list should be moved down one spot

Dementia should be put in the 4th spot, alongside The Quantum Man

Dementia's passive mind hax and type 1 Abtract Existance wreck Amari's dream avatars, his state of existance outside of reality negates the Low 2-C Log Off and his 2-C range allows him to reach the true form and kill her too

Yurika lacks ways to affect him, so he can just slap her to death or something

Quantum Man can't affect Dementia either, while the latter cann't kill him because of the Type 3 Acausality and 5-D mind
 
Overlord775 said:
Little Treasure should be in the 1th 10-B spot since he stomped Molecule Man Here, thus everybody on the list should be moved down one spot
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That fight happened months ago. It was rejected from being included in the thread.

And not viable. It was agreed ages ago that characters who have lower tiers basically because they feel like it shouldn't be considered for that tier. Weaker forms, sure. Even while having a restriction placed on you, okay. Just punching lighter to go easy on the enemy? No.

Yes. If he's a 10-B with a physical form and he's 1-A with a soul form then those are two different things currently thrown together in one profile.

This discussion happened near the end of this thread.
 
Agnaa said:
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That was before the revisions, where we had to make a new key for his Type 9 Immortality. After the revisions, Little Treasure still stomps Molecule Man in that 10-B key. For reasons shown in the vs thread.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
@Agnaa

Hm... but things like Avatars that have abilities of their higher form are still fine, right?
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In that case you can at least incon the avatar, or deal with it in some way, with only the avatar fighting you rather than the true form.

In LT's case, it has passive 1-A law/concept/mind absorption on anything that the 1-A soul decides it doesn't like.

You cannot power-null the 10-B body because that doesn't affect the 1-A soul.

You cannot mindhax the 10-B body because that doesn't affect the 1-A soul.

You can't kill or BFR the 10-B body because that doesn't affect the 1-A soul.

Even if you have Irrelevant speed, you can't outspeed the 10-B body because the 1-A soul has passives on an Irrelevant speed.

LT goes far beyond any other avatars on the site. It's a 1-A soul with 1-A attacks, 1-A speed, and 1-A dura actively protecting and fighting for a 10-B body.

There were people saying SCP-1440 violated the "No outside help" rule because a god would stop 1440's attempts to bury itself, making it difficult (but nowhere near impossible) to incap/BFR without 1-B hax. LT is helped to a far greater extent, having a 1-A constantly erasing/absorbing anything that could be a harm to it and restoring it in perfect shape no matter what..
 
Nepuko said:
That was before the revisions, where we had to make a new key for his Type 9 Immortality. After the revisions, Little Treasure still stomps Molecule Man in that 10-B key. For reasons shown in the vs thread.
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Oh, if those problems no longer exist then I was lied to when I asked if Shinobu Oshino's passive mindhax could incap. You said it wouldn't work because the 1-A soul would erase her and revert the mindhax. If the 1-A soul isn't protecting LT any more then it would lose there, and might even lose against Molecule Man.
 
Agnaa said:
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Again, that was before the revisions. I'd invite you to look at Little Treasure's first key. In the 10-B key, as in before he fights in soul form, which is the one who has 1-A specs everywhere, he's Human level in AP, Normal Human Speed in...speed, and Human level Durability. The 10-B key is everything he did before fighting as the 1-A soul. Plus, he can summon 1-A souls in that key....
 
Yeah, and like I'm saying, a new match would need to be done now that that's the case. Molecule Man has immeasurable combat speed, so he should be able to blitz and incap hax LT, and I gave an example of a character not even on the top 5 that would beat LT like that, so that'd make the list really tough to create.

Molecule Man's only 1-A in his Unknown key btw, he's only Low 1-A in the 10-B key.
 
But those passives don't wipe out everything, only things that LT doesn't like. And since LT only has normal human perception, it can't decide it doesn't like something until its normal human mind perceives it, leaving it vulnerable to immeasurable attacks and normal passives.
 
His hax and hax passive work against Immeasurable Speed ^_^.

Alright. Seems like someone made the thread
 
Agnaa said:
But those passives don't wipe out everything, only things that LT doesn't like. And since LT only has normal human perception, it can't decide it doesn't like something until its normal human mind perceives it, leaving it vulnerable to immeasurable attacks and normal passives.
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LT's soul is part of the 9th Hex, but he also has his statue which should do the same thing. It can clearly target things on its own, when it reached the Dao it resurrected a ton of people LT had no knowledge of, for example.

Magics in ISSTH can be sentient in a way (they can kill themselves if they don't feel worthy, for example), I don't see the issue with it attacking by itself. Immeasurable attacks shouldn't be above its paygrade, and it's also canonically above the Daos of Space and Time btw.
 
LT's soul is part of the 9th Hex

Can't be used, otherwise the old issues still persist.

but he also has his statue which should do the same thing

Can you explain?

It can clearly target things on its own, when it reached the Dao it resurrected a ton of people LT had no knowledge of, for example.

What do you mean by reaching the Dao?

Also, I know characters that have teleported people who they have no knowledge of, that doesn't mean their magic can target things without their will. If LT simply desired something like "Resurrect everyone in X region" or "Resurrect everyone who had Y happen to them" that would be LT targeting.

Some good proof for it targeting without LT's knowledge would be it erasing things that LT doesn't want erased, or doing things LT doesn't want done.

Magics in ISSTH can be sentient in a way (they can kill themselves if they don't feel worthy, for example), I don't see the issue with it attacking by itself.

Sentient 1-A magic that attacks without your knowledge and protects you sure sounds a lot like outside help.
 
See you disguise it here by saying "It's LT's own magic!" But it's its own sentient force. A sentient force doing all the fighting for you without your knowledge or consent doesn't stop being outside help when you can ask it to do things and it listens.
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
So just because an ability is sentient it will be considered outside help?
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idk, nothing has pushed the boundaries so ******* hard like this, so we've never needed to define the boundary.

What makes LT's sentient magic that protects it and destroys anything that would harm it, any different from Vegeta (Dragon Ball Super) protecting Bulma and resurrecting her with the Dragon Balls?
 
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