(To Aru Revision) A Certain Magical Revision New Testament

[Doggo]

Btw there is that feat of Aureolous fixing an entire builidng after it got destroyed, it migth help the magicians rating ( and the various feats from the manga)

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Btw there is that feat of Aureolous fixing an entire builidng after it got destroyed, it migth help the magicians rating ( and the various feats from the manga)

Honestly that feat from Aureolus fits more along the lines of temporal rewind via reality warping, thus, is un-calcable to my knowledge. Will look more intent at the manga at a later date as I really want to take a break from calcing before I suffer burnout... Do have some notable manga feats saved in a folder, tho. Btw, I am trying to figure out how to calc Accelerator's Plasma Ball in some way or form, but no promises if something will turn up.

I thought they were gonna get upgraded to 66.54 or 539.64 kilotons? Also yeah they should be 7-C

... Crud, I forgot about those feats, but... They are storm feats, sadly, so will probably only be used for environment destruction tiering for Mikoto.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... Wait, Esper powers are already counted as seperate for the LV5s normal physical stats, baring Second Key Kakine (whose body is literally dark matter now) and Gunha (who is powered by bullshit), so maybe... Those storm feats could be used for their powers? Idk.

 

[Doggo]

... Wait, Esper powers are already counted as seperate for the LV5s normal physical stats, baring Second Key Kakine (whose body is literally dark matter now) and Gunha (who is powered by bullshit), so maybe... Those storm feats could be used for their powers? Idk.

They should be scaled to them

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Hm, thoughts folks? What Doggo said sounds agreeable to me.

 

[Doggo]

Btw can i talk about speed here? This crt seems more focused on ap or dura

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Btw can i talk about speed here? This crt seems more focused on ap or dura

Sure, why not.

 

[Doggo]

Sure, why not.

There is no calc for the bomb reacting feat on muginos page, its mentioned but no calcs. Its also better if we have supporting feats for the sub-rela ratings we have for saint-tier characters (like the elizard laser feat or kanzaki jumping on leaves). Misaka should also have her natural reaction speed mentioned since the sub-rela rating is only via iron sand floor

 

[Doggo]

Why does kamisato have time manipulation on his profile? the hell

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

There is no calc for the bomb reacting feat on muginos page, its mentioned but no calcs. Its also better if we have supporting feats for the sub-rela ratings we have for saint-tier characters (like the elizard laser feat or kanzaki jumping on leaves). Misaka should also have her natural reaction speed mentioned since the sub-rela rating is only via iron sand floor

Been thinking of using the anime for the Mugino bomb reacting feat to calc it, but am still pretty new to calcing speed so it is taking time. Am not sure how to do the Elizard laser feat since I am pretty sure that is text-based (although, it is possible to get a solid rela or FTL rating from it depending on how she reacted) and am not sure where the leave jumping Kaori feat you are talking about comes from. And that probably should've been the case long ago for Mikoto.

That isn't even talking about the bizarre speed outliner that is Touma F-ing Kamijou. Who can act and perceive stuff that is thousands and millions of times faster than the currently accepted sub-rela calc.

Why does kamisato have time manipulation on his profile? the hell

Ask DT about that. Although, doesn't Kamisato BFR people to excess timelines or smth with WR? Am not sure.

 

[Doggo]

Been thinking of using the anime for the Mugino bomb reacting feat to calc it, but am still pretty new to calcing speed so it is taking time. Am not sure how to do the Elizard laser feat since I am pretty sure that is text-based (although, it is possible to get a solid rela or FTL rating from it depending on how she reacted) and am not sure where the leave jumping Kaori feat you are talking about comes from. And that probably should've been the case long ago for Mikoto.

That isn't even talking about the bizarre speed outliner that is Touma F-ing Kamijou. Who can act and perceive stuff that is thousands and millions of times faster than the currently accepted sub-rela calc.

Kamijou should have calcs for his reactions (just his reactions via precog).

 

[Doggo]

I heard accelerator has a calc for his thinking speed, I wonder where is it?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Othinus' arrows are already rated as MFTL+, and Touma could react to them - can't even use the 10,031 deaths he ranked up by "fighting" with Othinus as it is the first time she used it against him - and only died to it once via a surprise attack, which didn't work the next time she tried it in NT10. That also isn't counting the fact that he could move faster than her rela-perception speed and her thought-based explosions (and other attacks) couldn't catch him due to his "experience" - which is a bunch of bull since it was repeatedly near ad infinitum that his "stats" didn't change and that he is as physically capable as he was before Othinus tortured him via her infinite hells for billions of years.

That is more than enough to scale for most verses.

I heard accelerator has a calc for his thinking speed, I wonder where is it?

I think I saw it in fanverse.

 

[Doggo]

I think I saw it in fanverse.

He needs his calc speed rated on his profile

 

[GunTish]

and am not sure where the leave jumping Kaori feat you are talking about comes from.

Pretty sure he's talking about this, from GT4

“I just have to climb higher than the cloud.”

A Saint could break the sound barrier in no time. The way she kicked off of midair steel beams and surviving building walls to jump to ever higher footing looked a lot like a rocket blasting off into space.

“If I climb higher than your cloud of dust, your spell loses all meaning!!”

She made it 300m above the ground.

That was higher than the falling tower. With a Saint’s leg strength, she could even make stepping stones out of the leaves and shopping bags blowing in the wind.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Things to do, things to do. At the very least, I am not going to be done calculating for this verse for a long time. Lol... Am not sure if I can do anything for the leave jumping feat since it is on text format, and I'll need to import that calc for Accelerator's calculation speed and get it approved here by a CGM... which might need to be supported by Accel's other reaction feat prior to him getting shot in the head... I.E, him gathering all of the wind to make a plasma ball.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Bump. Got a few things left to talk about before I get some mods to look at this CRT.

 

[Doggo]

Bump. Got a few things left to talk about before I get some mods to look at this CRT.

what is it?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Upgrades for the Level 5s. Like, I am going to add Possibly 7-B for Accel, Kakine, Gunha, and Mikoto. Have to get a few more opinions if High 7-C or 7-C is best for the At Least portion. Oh, and there is Mugino. Should she get a Possibly 7-B rating due to having more firepower than Mikoto via Meltdowner or should she just get far higher instead?

Then... There is the upgrading of the Lower Tiers. Got two 8-C, one High 8-C+. four 8-Bs, and one 8-A calcs. All of them being various characters tanking the feats that caused the calc to happen... and causing the feats for the single 8-C calc.

 

[Doggo]

Upgrades for the Level 5s. Like, I am going to add Possibly 7-B for Accel, Kakine, Gunha, and Mikoto. Have to get a few more opinions if High 7-C or 7-C is best for the At Least portion. Oh, and there is Mugino. Should she get a Possibly 7-B rating due to having more firepower than Mikoto via Meltdowner or should she just get far higher instead?

Then... There is the upgrading of the Lower Tiers. Got two 8-C, one High 8-C+. four 8-Bs, and one 8-A calcs. All of them being various characters tanking the feats that caused the calc to happen... and causing the feats for the single 8-C calc.

Mugino should get a higher rating when going all out (although doing so will kill herself)

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Mugino should get a higher rating when going all out (although doing so will kill herself)

Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

 

[XDragnoir]

Its still a MASSIVE jump on ap. The feats she has done and scaled to are typically on the kiloton range. This looks more like an outlier to me

I know fanta already answered to this, but you know the current 7C rating isn't for her max power nor is it for her clouds attacks, right?

That's like saying a feat calced for Goku's Fully Charged Genkidama getting a higher result than a casual Kamehameha would be an outlier, that's not how outliers work.

Oh ye. I recall I made a 7-C calc for the magic of Magicians and that you were willing to use said 7-C rating for the magic of Magican if they had a Likely Rating.

Iirc, that calc was the same that got them to 8B to begin with, right? Oriana's calc iirc.

If i am right, both are currently accepted so you'd have to create a Calc Group Thread to discuss which feat should be used.

Its also better if we have supporting feats for the sub-rela ratings we have for saint-tier characters

There is, they just aren't added to all the profiles to save space, but Coronzon is directly stated to be moving at relativistic speeds and there is Aleister reacting to an attack from her with the high end being subrel too.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I know fanta already answered to this, but you know the current 7C rating isn't for her max power nor is it for her clouds attacks, right?

That's like saying a feat calced for Goku's Fully Charged Genkidama getting a higher result than a casual Kamehameha would be an outlier, that's not how outliers work.

I think Doggo gets the point. No need to keep repeating it... Although, this is a good example, wish I thought it up of this earlier, tbh.

Iirc, that calc was the same that got them to 8B to begin with, right? Oriana's calc iirc.

If i am right, both are currently accepted so you'd have to create a Calc Group Thread to discuss which feat should be used.

Nah, what was used to get 8-B, and what I used to get 7-C are a completely different thing even if both calcs came from the same feat.

So no need to create a CG Thread, I suppose.

There is, they just aren't added to all the profiles to save space, but Coronzon is directly stated to be moving at relativistic speeds and there is Aleister reacting to an attack from her with the high end being subrel too.

... Note to self: I gotta gather that stuff up for my ToAru Speed Revision Thread that'll happen next year.

 

[XDragnoir]

Nah, what was used to get 8-B, and what I used to get 7-C are a completely different thing even if both calcs came from the same feat.

So no need to create a CG Thread, I suppose.

If it's the same feat, you have to do a CG thread, regardless of the methods used in both calcs.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

If it's the same feat, you have to do a CG thread, regardless of the methods used in both calcs.

Eh, I'll ask for the opinions of a CGM instead of making a CG thread. Plus, I haven't actually seen such a thing in the CG thread other than threads for calc correction or getting help for a calc, so there is no rush for me.

Oh ye, btw, have you seen the past comments in this thread? And got any thoughts and opinions, Noir?

 

[XDragnoir]

Eh, I'll ask for the opinions of a CGM instead of making a CG thread. Plus, I haven't actually seen such a thing in the CG thread other than threads for calc correction or getting help for a calc, so there is no rush for me.

I was told that by KingTempest and DemonGodMitch off-site, so meh.

Oh ye, btw, have you seen the past comments in this thread? And got any thoughts and opinions, Noir?

I have replied to most of the ones i had something to comment about.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I have replied to most of the ones i had something to comment about.

Can you sum them up, Noir? You probably have a rough idea of my possible counterarguments against them, but conversation is good, and... Frankly, when compared to other CRTs (in general), this CRT has made a remarkable amount of progress, so lets keep that up.

 

[XDragnoir]

Upgrades for the Level 5s. Like, I am going to add Possibly 7-B for Accel, Kakine, Gunha, and Mikoto. Have to get a few more opinions if High 7-C or 7-C is best for the At Least portion.

I just found something for L6S

Dozens of times would mean at least 20x Mikoto's lightning for L6S, this scales to Gunha and may scale to Accel/Kakine too (i know their previously didn't scale to H7A Gunha, but i think it has support).

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... Holy crud, I know that there was something in the back of my head about L6S Mikoto, but I couldn't figure it out until now. So... 7-A Gunha, Accel, and Kakine, but with Possibly attached to it? I am in for it. Will have to write up a new justification for it, tho.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Okay, does anybody else have something to say before I update the TLDR section?

Like from what I am getting....

Mikoto's Durability will get rid of his 8-A rating with magnetism, and will be replaced by a higher with magnetism. Her 8-A rating with magnetism with also be replaced with a higher rating.

As for the LV5 upgrades...

Doggo - is up to using the 7-Cs or the High 7-C calc for the Level 5s with Possibly 7-B for every L5 that isn't Mugino, who only gets a Far Higher rating.

Noir - Due to the L6S Mikoto statement, the 7-B rating gets a 20x boost, and gives every L5 but Base!Mikoto and Mugino a 7-A Rating.... So from what I am getting... Kakine, Gunha, L6S Mikoto, and Accelerator will get a At Least 7-B, Possibly 7-A Rating?


Anything else I am missing?

 

[XDragnoir]

Okay, does anybody else have something to say before I update the TLDR section?

Like from what I am getting....

Mikoto's Durability will get rid of his 8-A rating with magnetism, and will be replaced by a higher with magnetism. Her 8-A rating with magnetism with also be replaced with a higher rating.

Yes.

Doggo - is up to using the 7-Cs or the High 7-C calc for the Level 5s with Possibly 7-B for every L5 that isn't Mugino, who only gets a Far Higher rating.

Only wrong part of this is that if we use the H7C feat the 7B one will be used too.

Noir - Due to the L6S Mikoto statement, the 7-B rating gets a 20x boost, and gives every L5 but Base!Mikoto and Mugino a 7-A Rating.... So from what I am getting... Kakine, Gunha, L6S Mikoto, and Accelerator will get a At Least 7-B, Possibly 7-A Rating?

I am thinking about doing a Q&A thread to discuss Mikoto's cloud feats and scaling to them, if she doesn't scale to it the 20x would go on top of her own 7C calc for her lightning, which is in her profile.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Only wrong part of this is that if we use the H7C feat the 7B one will be used too.

Eh? The thunderclouds were created before Mikoto performed the 7-B feat. So despite being in the same userblog, they should be treated as entirely different and separated feats. Unless I am misunderstanding this entirely.

I am thinking about doing a Q&A thread to discuss Mikoto's cloud feats and scaling to them, if she doesn't scale to it the 20x would go on top of her own 7C calc for her lightning, which is in her profile.

That might be best. Although, I'll admit that the 7-B is the more reliable feat to be scaled since it is a KE feat rather than the 7-C+ & High 7-C Thundercloud creation feats that Mikoto casually performed. Granted, the more pressing issues are scaling to others - like... the 7-C+. High 7-C, and 7-B feats were all created by Mikoto's Esper Power so she, or rather her Esper Ability, should be perfectly fine with scaling to 'em, the others, tho... probs harder. That, and if only the 7-C lightning is viable, it is very likely that nobody but her and her L6S scales to it due to how weird scaling to lightning works.

Anything else?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Oh, and since this is my last chance to do so, I am open to adding IB & Touma in the removing High 1-C ratings from their profile that WR & Yuiitsu/Kakeru are in as it is only there via neg hax and Touma's body can't defend from High 1-C attacks without IB - and even then IB only negs supernatural attacks and only be instantly torn into atoms if it had to defend against a physical attack from a High 1-C. If nobody is opposed to it, I'll add it to my TLDR update.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Can't really say much on the Tier 1 shit, as I'm not knowledgeable at all when it comes to cosmology or anything that has to do with multiversal, higher dimensional bullshit, but all I see is a bunch of 8-A, 7-C, and 7-A values...

More Johnny Test matchups

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Can't really say much on the Tier 1 shit, as I'm not knowledgeable at all when it comes to cosmology or anything that has to do with multiversal, higher dimensional bullshit, but all I see is a bunch of 8-A, 7-C, and 7-A values...

More Johnny Test matchups

All you need to know that Tier 1 shiz is power negation/BFR hax and only applies to three characters. Oh, btw, Random, I forgot, but where should I put you on the vote counter in my opening post? You agree with everything, you neutral about everything or just one thing, or do you disagree with smth or just one thing?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

All you need to know that Tier 1 shiz is power negation/BFR hax and only applies to three characters. Oh, btw, Random, I forgot, but where should I put you on the vote counter in my opening post? You agree with everything, you neutral about everything or just one thing, or do you disagree with smth or just one thing?

I agree with everything, but I'm neutral on the Tier 1 stuff.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I agree with everything, but I'm neutral on the Tier 1 stuff.

Okay, I've added ya.

 

[XDragnoir]

Eh? The thunderclouds were created before Mikoto performed the 7-B feat. So despite being in the same userblog, they should be treated as entirely different and separated feats. Unless I am misunderstanding this entirely.

Wait, now i am confused, which feat got 7B and which feat got H7C?

Wait

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The 7B feat is NOT for cloud creation, but for moving them? Correct me if i am wrong.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Wait, now i am confused, which feat got 7B and which feat got H7C?

Wait

Wait

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The 7B feat is NOT for cloud creation, but for moving them? Correct me if i am wrong.

Ye. The High 7-C is the cloud creation feat. The 7-B is for moving them clouds feat.

 

[XDragnoir]

BRO, THAT'S CRAZY

Okay, i am dumb, i hadn't noticed these two things were two different things (thought one was a low end and the other a high end for cloud creation, something like that).

Okay, okay, this is how i think the LV5's stats should be:

Base Mikoto: 9B-9A physically, Higher with Magnetism, 8A, possibly 7C for her Railgun, up to 7B with lightning.

Notes: if you can find an actual feat for her iron sand (i think 8C-H8C calcs in her fight with Doppel are a possibility) it should be added as "up to X tier in her profile". I think an argument could be made to scale her Railgun to the Tobio-Rasengan 7C feat, just as a possibly as they're completely different types of powers tho. Her lightning needs an "up to" because we know the 7B was done at her absolute peak + she has a lot of control over the potency of her lightning + people need to know from the start that this doesn't scale to anyone that has ever took Mikoto's normal lightning.

L6S Mikoto: 9B-9A physically, Far Higher with Magnetism, 7A with Lightning and Black Sphere.

Notes: similar to to her base, getting actual feats for her magnetism in this key would be good.

Mugino's Meltdowners could get a possibly 7C due to her statements about having fire power above Mikoto's and, similar to Mikoto, being a level 5.

Gunha, Accel and Kakine i am not sure, in the first thread revising Gunha and L6S did we decide to scale him to her lightning in all stats or to split it from his other stats? I think #1 and #2 could get an At least 7B, Possibly 7A for their powers, but i can't remember how we agreed to deal with Gunha the last time.