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I cri ;-;Agnaa said:My bad, I couldn't understand Nepuko's posts enough to tell if they cleared things up or not.
Antvasima said:Please elaborate with examples regarding what you mean. To be able to bypass the hierarchy in this manner to such a massive degree seems suspicious to me.
Lightbuster30 said:It'd be nice if we covered as many of these alternative ways as possible then.
@ Wokista I don't think I adressed the Matt thing, it was the Sera part of Agnaa's comment I believe. Or rather the point that the Outerversal and above part follow the same logic/"math" everywhere, so they can't be contradictory. I think >_>. So feel free to post your comment. As far as I go the more explanations, the better.Wokistan said:Is the matt thing what's apparently been solved by nepuko? I disagree with his opinion there and maybe my brain's just burned out from college stuff but I can't find where nepuko addressed that but if it already has my comment would likely be made redundant
Matthew Schroeder said:So what's happening folks.
Do you have any actual examples of such verses? Putting stuff like what I described into an Hierarchy would be sorta missing the point entirely and probably just end up making it a lot lower than it should normally be, unless you are stupidly careful.Antvasima said:Well, I still think that verses where what you described above is just another step in a composite hierarchy should be rated higher. My apologies.
My apologies. I have limited filters/a too big mouth.Andytrenom said:Was it so necessary to add that you think he is insane
That is correct, yes. Thank you.DarkLK said:@Ultima Reality, I think Ant means that this types of "ground" is nothing more than just a different type of perspective. As the difference between normal objects and outerversal ones. Different "ground", but you can have any number of such differences.
That is what I hoped to solve with this change in our system. If it remains unresolved, we will end up with a lot of work for considerably less payoff.DarkLK said:In my opinion disputes around the problem "tier 0 from Verse-1 is weaker than fodder from Verse-2" will remain unresolved in any case.
Fixed.DarkLK said:@Antvasima, I'm not sure that I understand the meaning of the problem correctly, but still I will comment on this.
To prove the transcendence of a hierarchy, we do not necessarily need an infinite hierarchy, although its presence greatly simplifies the proof.
Let us assume that we have three outerversal characters: Ou-1, Ou-2 and Ou-X.
Ou-1 is baseline or somewhere higher.
Ou-2 is superior to Ou-1 by one qualitative step, one level of infinity or something like that.
And Ou-X is superior to both so much so that from this point of view there is no difference between Ou-1 and Ou-2. This is a completely different type of superiority. That is, the expansion of the number of steps (levels of the same order as the difference between Ou-1 and Ou-2) will not allow you to somehow approach to Ou-X.
In this way, Ou-X can get a higher tier even without the actual endless steps. It simply has to surpass the very perspective that shares such steps. You just need to prove that its superiority cannot be achieved by just multiplying the power differences (even endless) that exist between other entities within this fictional Verse.