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Tier Low 6-B Tournament of Regeneration 2022: Licht vs Yu Kanda
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Oh man… we are wayyy past that topic.
Licht has amps with reinforcement magic and negative man. So I’m using that to counter Yu’s Level 2 and life draining Level 3.
i also said flight + teleportation gives Licht far superior mobility on top of his reinforcement magic and negative mana enhancement
Since Reinforcement + Negative mana also boost AP, Licht’s ranged Danmaku should beat Yu. Or an undetected strike (teleportation and stealth). Because Yu’s Durability isn’t boosted to counter an undetected strike, how will Yu sense Licht coming with his teleportation + resistance to esp and precognition react to deflect Licht’s strike?
Those are my arguments for now
what do you think
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Yup yup. I hear you loud and clear, I retracted my vote for now because I've forgotten Yu Kanda's wincon because of the whole equalization topic earlier x.x
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Yu’s wincon is the same amping shenanigans.
They’re just using it to defend against my point. There is nothing new from em honestly
Nelliels is planning on getting Licht’s amp above sword conq eon that’s 2.5x higher. I doubt that’s possible tbh. If he succeeds that’s a possible wincon for Yu
also LordGinSama is cooking
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I leave for a single day because of IRL stuff and this thread becomes a complete clusterfuck.
What exactly are Licht's win-cons again? since the previous argument which Arnold used was already addressed by others and seemingly debunked.
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Explain Arnold how does this work Speed amp work
What exactly are Licht's win-cons again? since the previous argument which Arnold used was already addressed by others and seemingly debunked.
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Boss music continues
I leave for a single day because of IRL stuff and this thread becomes a complete clusterfuck.
What exactly are Licht's win-cons again? since the previous argument which Arnold used was already addressed by others and seemingly debunked.
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I leave for a single day because of IRL stuff and this thread becomes a complete clusterfuck.
What exactly are Licht's win-cons again? since the previous argument which Arnold used was already addressed by others and seemingly debunked.
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I seemingly remember me posting a link to which directly explains and shows with scans on how Yu Kanda's amps work.
I'll repost it again if he didn't see it.
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Arnold please list all your questions in bullet points right now for Decieved to answer.
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Such a beautiful explanation tho…
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I know.
It directly explains how the ability works, the implied amps Yu gains, the action of which it's activate and provides all the needed scans as well.
I'll address your other points within another post after i post this one.
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Okidoki… I’ll prepare in the meantime because I have a feeling I know what your rebuttals are going to be
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Prove the both reinforcement magic and negative mana (which Licht doesn't have since he hasn't been corrupted by a devil at the current moment like Patry was) provides a comparable amp to Yu Kanda's Level 3 and above illusions.
Also prove that it posses a comparable activation speed as Yu Kanda's Level 3 and above illusions (which are thought-based)
It could be comparable in-terms of its amp but if it doesn't have a comparable activation speed than it's useless since Yu Kanda would just speed blitz and one shot Licht before he could activate his own amps.
None of this matters until you can prove that both provided a comparable amp to Yu Kanda's Level 3 and above illusions.
Samething as i stated above.
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So Decieved's point stand still then
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I’m drafting a response. My final boss attack.
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I explained how Yu would stop the attacks though. Like multiple times. read again
Im arguing his ap which he can use to block attacks will just be used to block Lichts attacks. Idk why I have to prove Kandas own durability being amped if I'm arguing his ap can just help him get around that. And again a 2.5x difference isn't enough to severely damage someone.
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I will wait for the match to conclude before moving on.
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A few hours later....
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Yu Kanda has reached 7 votes.
Just waiting for Arnold's argument.
Just waiting for Arnold's argument.
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Backstory of this match: This all started back when Arnold was dumped by LordGin after an intense argument Arnold now looks to "make things right" after the initial break up with LordGin cause he wanted Arnold to get into D.Gray man verse which he still refuses to till this day for his extreme hatred for speed amp users....
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First of all let’s talk about how Yu’s illusion levels aren’t as crazy as they seem. The levels are only capable of boosting speed and power not durability, because Boric could still damage him even when Yu is at level 3, Secondly, Level 2 was enough to harm boric, the damage Yu did on Boris looks notable. No, it was not a scratch and it was not a dent, it was a significant damage that even Yu himself noted that he was hurt. However Yu was able to slice through him at level 3. So the gap between 2 and 3 is a little bit smaller than what you guys make it seem in the previous thread because Yu could already damage him at level 2. The same can be inferred for level 3 to 4 and 4 to 5. Now let’s talk about the annoying speed amp. Alma was comparable to 3, got caught as soon as Yu switched to 4, Alma got up, got stronger without any indication of a speed amp of his own but Alma is still comparable to Yu amp 4, and still tagged 5. Next, Boric who claims Yu is faster at 2 could STILL see a blurry Yu at 3. Even if you disregard the blurry aspect. Boric was SLOWER than Yu at 2 already. So the speed amp gap isn’t as big as you guys make it seem. Alma can match Yu’s speed, Yu was already faster than Boric to in the first place.
Negative mana compared to Yu’s amps
We look at magic power stages, the smaller the number, the bigger the magic power. Using negative mana allowed Nero to go from a weak stage 6 mage to a magic power high enough to deal with a Devil (stage 1/0). Forbidden magic/ negative mana amp should cover the gap between 3, 4 and 5. Because negative mana boosts so much that it covers 5/6 levels of magic power. Licht still has access the power from the underworld because he can destroy an entity which swallows all magic from the main world.
Reinforcement magic compared to Yu
Reinforcement magic allows for magic that’s “extremely slow” to be boosted to match FTL attacks. Reinforcement magic also allowed Nozel to get up from being stabbed straight through with three swords and was STILL fighting effectively as though he was never stabbed in the first place. By itself this should put reinforcement magic on just one level gap of Yu’s amps. However, with negative mana enhancement, Licht’s reinforcement magic amp raises extremely, surpassing ALL of Yu’s amps. Another advantage of reinforcement magic is that it amps all stats, not just AP and speed.
How fast does Licht use his Amp?
Negative mana is ever present, all Licht just needs to do is cast Reinforcement magic which is thought based, so activation speed is comparable to Yu’s.
Conclusion
After so much research, I’ve gotten forbidden magic/negative mana amp several levels higher than Yu’s amps. And I have cleared the misconception of Yu’s amps being “massive” and a “speed blitz, one shot” of some sorts. Thank you for your patience everyone. @Decieved I hope I have been able to convince you. All of you.
Licht FRA
Negative mana compared to Yu’s amps
We look at magic power stages, the smaller the number, the bigger the magic power. Using negative mana allowed Nero to go from a weak stage 6 mage to a magic power high enough to deal with a Devil (stage 1/0). Forbidden magic/ negative mana amp should cover the gap between 3, 4 and 5. Because negative mana boosts so much that it covers 5/6 levels of magic power. Licht still has access the power from the underworld because he can destroy an entity which swallows all magic from the main world.
Reinforcement magic compared to Yu
Reinforcement magic allows for magic that’s “extremely slow” to be boosted to match FTL attacks. Reinforcement magic also allowed Nozel to get up from being stabbed straight through with three swords and was STILL fighting effectively as though he was never stabbed in the first place. By itself this should put reinforcement magic on just one level gap of Yu’s amps. However, with negative mana enhancement, Licht’s reinforcement magic amp raises extremely, surpassing ALL of Yu’s amps. Another advantage of reinforcement magic is that it amps all stats, not just AP and speed.
How fast does Licht use his Amp?
Negative mana is ever present, all Licht just needs to do is cast Reinforcement magic which is thought based, so activation speed is comparable to Yu’s.
Conclusion
After so much research, I’ve gotten forbidden magic/negative mana amp several levels higher than Yu’s amps. And I have cleared the misconception of Yu’s amps being “massive” and a “speed blitz, one shot” of some sorts. Thank you for your patience everyone. @Decieved I hope I have been able to convince you. All of you.
Licht FRA
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Nah, not convinced so Yu FRA
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No? Unless I'm misunderstanding, her physicals are stage 6 but because of her Forbidden Magic/Sealing Magic she is arcane stage. So it's not an amp, that's just something she's always had. She's still Stage 6 in terms of physicals.
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Can we start voting now?
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Do you want to change your vote?
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You haven't since you clearly misrepresented a ton of shit from D.Gray-Man since you haven't actually read the manga but rather just grabbed out of context scans without knowing the inherent intricacies behind them.
I'll respond to your arguments here in a couple hours, just woke up.
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Even if you are arcane you still need to be strong enough to get through the defenses/power null of a high/supreme ranking devil. Vanessa is arcane but she’s too weak, Grey is arcane but she’s weak as well. Both of them can’t even stand up to Dante.
Arcane stage is a separate stage from the magic power system. So Vanessa and Grey still need to boost their magic to fight a high ranking to supreme devil on their own. Nero has already boosted her magic with forbidden magic before.
Nero, has ancient seal magic, that alone is arcane stage, additionally she boosted herself with forbidden magic so her magic is already curropted, now she has access to negative mana permanently. So she has enough power to beat a devil according to Lolopechka.
I just woke up, 4AM
to notifications.edit: Also do you remember dark elf patri right? How he was boosted after getting corrupted with negative mana from despair. Even after Asta saved him, he can still use his dark elf powers. Although now his grimour is gone… Cuz Zagred took it.
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What do you mean?
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I’m keeping my vote the same.
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Why do the speed amps been countered?
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I designed my rebuttal in a way that you can ignore my thoughts on the amps. I just wanted to get my thoughts out there cuz I HATE those amps
Disregard my thoughts and focus on the forbidden magic + reinforcement magic argument. Then get back to it later.
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It’s fine, I can’t convince everyone.
It just sucks if they don’t give any reasons…
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