Tier 6 Nasuverse Discussion Thread

[Chariot190]

Isnt FGO Babylon Gil technically ''living gil''?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Living Gil that gave most of his weapons to his people and is very weakened after summoning 7 Servants under his own power aftee realizing he wouldn't achieve anything on his own.

And I agree with Anon. The maximum distance of the shot is 2500 km, there's nothing saying the border is that size. Whether it should be assumed to be the border being talked about and calculations done accordingly is something I feel needs discussion in a other thread, preferably with one or two admins to give an opinion.

 

[Chariot190]

>and is very weakened after summoning 7 Servants under his own power

Where does it say summoning made him weaker?


>And I agree with Anon. The maximum distance of the shot is 2500 km, there's nothing saying the border is that size. Whether it should be assumed to be the border being talked about and calculations done accordingly is something I feel needs discussion in a other thread, preferably with one or two admins to give an opinion.

Literally what other border would it be talking about? Especially given that it is the border he created in the actual legends.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Didn't Arash also stop a blast from Rhon's spear that was meant to kill him, and the other servants nearby that were trying to oppose the lion king?

Wasn't her weakest casual blast also in the gigatons?? Chariot said that the Arash feat of 2,500 km's is aout 25 gigatons. which seems pretty good for stopping a Rhon spear blast meant to kill a group of servants (Assuming i remember right)

 

[Chariot190]

He stopped it, but pretty sure he died doing it.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

He always dies when using his Noble Phantasm at maximum strength lol

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Don't remember the exact place, but I know it was mentioned. The fact that he expected the Bull of Heaven to do anything to Tiamat but he himself didn't directly intervene, and couldn't do much against anything above the paygrade of the other Servants, I imagine it is a safe assumption.

Okay, the wikia article says the river is the border? If so, what cites does it have for this?

And he always dies when he uses his NP. Stella can not be used at lees than full strength, is that kind of NP.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

im on the scene know where Arash blocks Rhon the judgement of light pillars thing

We get confirmation that the Spear uses an incredible amount of heat, and we also get confirmation that its something beyond regular noble phantasms.

Arash is in a incredible weakened state already when using it. Idk if that matters really. Lancelot got a direct hit on Arash with Arondight Overload.

I will post scans soon.

anyways other links that say it i found immeidately that i didn't see use wikipedia

http://www.payvand.com/news/06/jul/1038.html

https://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Mythology/arash.html

http://www.arashthearcher.net/#sthash.9IczJeTD.dpbs

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

If there's a proper cite for the Wikipedia claim, there should be no issue.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

what exactly quantifies as a proper cite???

Im uploading scans now of what i found with Arash Vs Rhon

btw, i found a couple mroe Rhon calcs. Rhon vaporized the western village, and was going to vapeorize the Eastern village including the mountain they were on. Though i think this will be tougher to calc since there is no stated size of how big the villages are. nor a proper way to pixel scale them.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The western village was swallowed by a casual blast from Rhon https://i.imgur.com/9QPcnKW.png

Arash survived Arondight Overload https://i.imgur.com/OcKa3X8.png https://i.imgur.com/bjLZJIJ.png hes hard to see so you might need to turn up your brightness for it https://i.imgur.com/zBQtfqU.png

Arash saved the Eastern village, and saved the Mountain https://i.imgur.com/I2Pm0uN.png

Also, WE GET ARASHES BACK STORY FROM BEDIEVER AND CURSED ARM!! though its lackluster ;~;

it was an "Earth Splitting shot that created a new border between 2 countries"[http:// https://i.imgur.com/7wAkbvL.png https://i.imgur.com/7wAkbvL.png]

a mere human splitting the earth https://i.imgur.com/NGwPN19.png

https://i.imgur.com/S9ZXtK0.png he saved the eastern village

This blast from Rhon had a magical energy value of 3,000,000 while average top tier Noble Phantasm are between 1,000 to 3,000 and this wasa a causal feat. also, it had an intense energy of heat behind it https://i.imgur.com/6K3fNsd.png

Edit: Wikipedia is also taking from the actual balamini mythology of arash. which is the only one that comes close to distance given on the F/Go profile... Thats all i got to say about it...

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

as for this Karna thing.. https://imgur.com/Plze9w9

Shouldn't it be only 2-A aganist divine beings as it is strongest when used on gods as an anti-divine weapon?

 

[Chariot190]

I went out for a little bit but the balami myth is also one of two myths where he died doing it, others doesnt have him die.

Also the locations for the myth where it landed and where it was fired coincide with the river with the landing point even being where the now current banks of the river are located.

In the jpn text stella is compared to an anti-country NP as well.

Plus there's two critical pieces of information here, 1. The border he created was 2500km. 2. The border he created was a split in the earth.

What's that mean? It means if the border was 2500km long and the border is also a split in th earth then the split by virue of the border being 2500 is also 2500km long as it in of itself was the border.

Edit: In fgo it says he fired from atop of a mountain, in balami, he fired from atop mount damavand.

 

[Makkurona]

So, want to ask a summary. Where are we now? What has been concluded?

 

[The_Popular_Loser]

I'll call Matt for his perspective

 

[Makkurona]

bruh

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I'll call Matt for his perspective

"I need Hun, the Truly Knowledgeable Members' input"

Also yeah, I need summary here, I went to sleep and we are at Arash calc now.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

As for Ishtar scaling, Da Vinci did not refer to her Rider form specifically, she said that as a Divine Spirit possessing a human body, she'd be A-Rank at best, this refers to Divine Pseudo-Servants in general.

Also, what with the SUTERAAAA? Can't we backscale it from when they shot against the Dendera Light Bulb in Proto? Also, Arash mainly SUTERAAA to cancel out Rhongomyshot hitting the village, so he need more firepower to cancel it out.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Bump.....

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

I'll call Matt for his perspective

"I need Hun, the Truly Knowledgeable Members' input"
Also yeah, I need summary here, I went to sleep and we are at Arash calc now.

Yeah same. Get sick and drop off the wiki for a bit and we've jumped to something new.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Found these in the process of looking for any estimation of the size... But i couldn't find one..

• Anyways, Gulganna could destroy the singularity https://i.imgur.com/yPrldep.png

• but that would also destroy all of Connahct with it, probably the side effect of an earthquake more likley. https://i.imgur.com/mGBCqr0.png

• Gulganna Mk II's awakening caused an Earthquake that was possibly felt around the planet. https://i.imgur.com/xBzrds4.png

• The Lion King Noble Phantasm True Name release would cause a wave that could swallow the planet. https://i.imgur.com/tqyCc5c.png

• Rider Isthar is considered an A-rank Servant which is what Karna is considered as, but later she transforms into her Archer form which is considered her "True Strength" as a servant. https://i.imgur.com/DK2kkjq.png

• Karna's Extella VS is considered on par with the scorching of earth, and is Anti Army. Is it possible to calc Karna melting the earths surface??? https://i.imgur.com/Plze9w9.jpg

@Sunlight and @Diinou pretty much we were discussing this then evolved to calc'ing Arash and how valid the feat is

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Alright, I'll give some thoughts point by point:

• This is a bit of a finicky one for me tbh. How big was the singularity?

• Connacht has an area of 6,867 square miles, or 11,051 square km. Not sure what destroying that would range into, but I'd imagine somewhere along Tier 6.

• I don't think that's what Ishtar means, and even if it was, it's a bit too vague and flowery for solid evidence.

• Again, flowery. It's more akin to the fact that she was the one who was destroying the world at that moment. Much more of a "Hero lists their many names and titles" moment than a statement of what she can do

• I still don't think she's too far ahead of most of the other servants, especially given they defeat her. Also, we never see her and Karna fight, so scaling them is a bit iffy due to a lack of comparison.

• Straightforward. And any earth surface scorching or melting is High 6-A

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I was thinking... is a Singularity a warped time-period made by a distortion in history, usually caused by a Holy Grail?

Because Gugalanna MKII destroying it might be a space-time destruction that happens to encompass Connacht, not just wrecking the entire Connacht.

Lion King's statement sounds a but flowery, so I'm quite skeptical Forget the calcs, she's 2-A for scaling to Divine Spirits

Ishtar thingy is the first thing I addressed after waking up.

But the Extella Vasavi sounds legit. BTW, Vasavi seems to have 2 usages: Anti-Army and Anti-Divine, so it might explain how Balmung could kinda block it.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

How big was the Babylonia singularity because ancient Egyptians were mentioned, and they would have survived, as for singularities themselves. They require an entirely separate crt.


I agree with you Diinou on the Karna part. It's strongest against divine beings, but is possibly 6-A with it's regular usage.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

No Idea on how Singularities work, gotta recheck when Olga Marie talked about it in the beginning This is what you get for dozing off during her lecture

As for the Scorhing Earth, maybe it can be calced in a similar way to the booming the Earth's surface calc

 

[Chariot190]

Ozy's lightbulb in proto is country level, no calc needed, solar flare, which is what it's compared to, packs that energy, issue is it wasnt only stella that overpowered it but excalibur, backed with command seals while having 3 seals unlocked.

 

[Chariot190]

Melting earth's surface, would be way higher then just an explosion, probably in the exatons.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Not melting, just scorching, as in burn it.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Going by fate/apoc, it Should be melting, but it should be noted Karna can't do such a feat with a master.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Ozy's lightbulb in proto is country level, no calc needed, solar flare, which is what it's compared to, packs that energy, issue is it wasnt only stella that overpowered it but excalibur, backed with command seals while having 3 seals unlocked.

Ozy needed to nuke Camelo's barrier I believe 7 times??? With the last one being a suicidie attack with amped power from noctis iirc that should support more country tier Lancer toria

 

[Chariot190]

Heres the issue with that scaling, Excalibur in proto+stella was needed to overpower Ozy's NP while amped by command seals with 3 locks undone. While in fgo Excalibur could stop lancetoria's serious attack (although Bedi died doing it and his arms crumbled to dust while clashing).

The scaling doesnt make sense, thatd imply ozys np>lance.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

One CS also made Balmung = VS so three of them amping Stella in addition to 3 seals ProtoCalibur (something that should be similar to Rhon seal for seal) are required just to beat out Dendera makes it even more iffy.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I don't remember Excalibur blocking a Rhongomyshot.

I only remember Bedivere helping Mash use Lord Camelot, and shines the light of Excalibur, shocking the Lion King. Then he returns it to her, dying because he no longer has the immortality from Excalibur.

 

[Chariot190]

He uses the light of excalibur to stop the shot that Mash blocked upon unleashing Excalibur's true light, he says so himself, Switch on, Airgetlam! It's time for you to tear the light of judgement to pieces, cue the light of juedgement instantly dissapating.

Also immediatly after the battle, in the following cutscene, it seems to pick up in the middle of a struggle hence the extremely violent shaking and Lancetoria claming that she's being pushed back (on top of exclaiming that if Bedi uses that he'll die).

Regardless, the first instance is outright stated Excalibur stopped a shot, the second instance is just heavily implied.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

All seals were unlocked to block rhon with Excalibur. Excalibur proto is a different type of exaclibur that is similar, but it's an alternate universe. + It was the MC + Mash + Bedi using Excalibur not just bedi Wait are we talking about a different scene?


Wait are we talking about a different scene???


Karna in apoc didn't have a multi-continental NP. Karna in Extella is > Fate/Apoc Karna > CCC Karma


Another thing is that Arash has B++ NP. So maybe he has some sort of hidden multiplier, or perhaps Prototype got retconned by grand order, but also it should be noted that the shot Arash used to block Rhon. That rhon blast was used to destroy 5 or 6 servants at once, and Romani gave us an estimation for it's power. It was roughly had 100x more magical energy compared to the strongest NP they have observed

 

[Chariot190]

It happens (possibly) twice, after Bedi gives Mash the speech he unleashes Excalibur's light and destroys a shot from Lancetoria, which he himself confirms that he unleashed and tore the light of judgement apart.

And the second time it's implied but not directly stated that Excalibur was beating out Lancetoria in a struggle.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I edited my comment

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

All seals were unlocked to block rhon with Excalibur. Excalibur proto is a different type of exaclibur that is similar, but it's an alternate universe. + It was the MC + Mash + Bedi using Excalibur not just bedi
Wait are we talking about a different scene?


Wait are we talking about a different scene???


Karna in apoc didn't have a multi-continental NP. Karna in Extella is > Fate/Apoc Karna > CCC Karma


Another thing is that Arash has B++ NP. So maybe he has some sort of hidden multiplier, or perhaps Prototype got retconned by grand order, but also it should be noted that the shot Arash used to block Rhon. That rhon blast was used to destroy 5 or 6 servants at once, and Romani gave us an estimation for it's power. It was roughly had 100x more magical energy compared to the strongest NP they have observed

I edited my comment

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Bumpers....

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Bump.....