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[Dalesean027]

First why aren't we using 1px for the landmasses when 1px would also be invisible from space? I just don't get why it has to be 1/2 a px specifically when 1 should work fine.

In cases where the thing you are measuring is completely invisible due to distance we do allow usage of a half pixel measurement to express this

Superman punches Doomsday to the Moon

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Take something like this here

By 39 seconds its zoomed so far out the earth is completely invisible now if the earth blew up after that and explosion was visible on screen and you're able to px scale it, you could use half px to scale it off of earth

 

[Snek]

In cases where the thing you are measuring is completely invisible due to distance we do allow usage of a half pixel measurement to express this

Superman punches Doomsday to the Moon

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Ok any other examples of this on the wiki because if it's commonly accepted here than I can't exactly argue with it.

Although I still disagree with that being used because I think these calcs don't really understand how tiny 1 pixel actually is.

 

[Dalesean027]

Ok any other examples of this on the wiki because if it's commonly accepted here than I can't exactly argue with it.

All I can really give you are some of my other accepted blogs that use since finding other peoples blogs right off hand for this is pretty hard, one because like I'm not gonna just remember any one elses blogs off hand especially when its not a verse I'm personally in but secondly, its the fact that in most cases you do have something to measure off of but I know for a fact I've evaluated a few blogs that used that method, if said thing did appear in 1px though we are inclined to use that one singular px. If it is that far away though that it doesn't appear at all then you have the right to use 0.5px

 

[LaserPrecision]

Ok any other examples of this on the wiki because if it's commonly accepted here than I can't exactly argue with it.

Although I still disagree with that being used because I think these calcs don't really understand how tiny 1 pixel actually is.

No one is underestimating how small one pixel is. The problem is one pixel is still visible in a picture, and in editing software where you can pixel scale (As you can zoom into every pixel in a picture in smth like paint.net). If the thing in question went so far into the distance that it's not even one pixel large, we just use half a pixel because it's smaller than a single picture in the photo. We don't base it off of "eyeballing". It's based on the fact the thing in question is literally smaller than a single pixel in the photo. Otherwise we would just use one pixel, yeah.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

First why aren't we using 1px for the landmasses when 1px would also be invisible from space? I just don't get why it has to be 1/2 a px specifically when 1 should work fine.

You can still see one pixel even if it's tiny on the screen. This defeats the point regarding the island not being visible from space. This is why we use 1/2 pixel size

Why are we using S3@K for the size scaling instead of unleashed or SA2. Especially when S3@K is the least recent game of the three and has the worst ability to show images due to the console limitations of the time?

The calc for Angel Island came from Sonic 3&K so it was agreed that the Earth's size should be used from the same game as well

 

[Snek]

You can still see one pixel even if it's tiny on the screen. This defeats the point regarding the island not being visible from space. This is why we use 1/2 pixel size

OK sure I guess. Still 0.5px is oddly specific.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

OK sure I guess. Still 0.5px is oddly specific.

It was was decided to be a fair measurment to something we can't see. Yeah it's arbitrary but it was accepted so I just roll with it

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

You can still see one pixel even if it's tiny on the screen. This defeats the point regarding the island not being visible from space. This is why we use 1/2 pixel size

The calc for Angel Island came from Sonic 3&K so it was agreed that the Earth's size should be used from the same game as well

one thing that could mess with the results is using screenshots of videos which are at a higher resolution than the original sprites, using ripped assets from the Spriters Resource would work better

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

one thing that could mess with the results is using screenshots of videos which are at a higher resolution than the original sprites, using ripped assets from the Spriters Resource would work better

That is true, I suppose this could be used?

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

That is true, I suppose this could be used?

yeah

 

[Omegabronic]

That is true, I suppose this could be used?

Doesn't Origins use a higher resolution? Can't we just use it?

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

Doesn't Origins use a higher resolution? Can't we just use it?

no it uses the same sprites as the genesis version (here)

 

[Omegabronic]

no it uses the same sprites as the genesis version (here)

But the talk here is about resolution, no?

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

But the talk here is about resolution, no?

yeah the sprite is still the same resolution

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Bump (if it matters)

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Bump

 

[Peptocoptr27]

So, staff has already been made aware that they need to re-approve of the new calcs and Earth size, and we're just waiting for them to show up. Is that right?

 

[Theuser789]

I think so.

 

[ShakeResounding]

So, staff has already been made aware that they need to re-approve of the new calcs and Earth size, and we're just waiting for them to show up. Is that right?

Yup, sounds about right. Maybe contact LordGriffin once more if you haven't already, as I haven't asked him particularly

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Yup, sounds about right. Maybe contact LordGriffin once more if you haven't already, as I haven't asked him particularly

Will do

 

[ShakeResounding]

I've edited the OP once again to finalize the remaining changes left of this thread; that being an upgrade to High 5-A for those who are currently 5-A. Oh, and editing the verse page's calcs section to account for this.

Now, for input.

 

[JJSliderman]

In another 4 months there will be another recalc of this damn floating sphere

 

[ShakeResounding]

Hopefully not, because at that rate we'll have to create a Discussion Rule Bout no longer altering Sonic's planet. And that damn Metal Sonic feat too lol

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

I went to check how using the ripped sprite from Origins would affect the calc

1685 / 0.5 = 3370

152.71484 * 3370 = 514649.011 km

Using the Planetary Parameter Calculator for convenience

The result is 3.52 Ronnatons, back to 5-A

The circle I drew over the background doesn't cover over the curvature of the earth too well but I doubt the results would change too significantly even if it was perfectly adjusted

Edit: I tried outlining the curvature better, the result is even lower than before (~420 thousand km for the diameter)

 

[ShakeResounding]

Interesting. I wouldn't be against this if it's deemed more accurate by calc group members.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

I recall a calc where High 5-A energy would be required to destroy Sonic's earth

 

[Omegabronic]

I recall a calc where High 5-A energy would be required to destroy Sonic's earth

I am waiting for that to be evaluated before proposing it here

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I went to check how using the ripped sprite from Origins would affect the calc

1685 / 0.5 = 3370

152.71484 * 3370 = 514649.011 km

Using the Planetary Parameter Calculator for convenience

The result is 3.52 Ronnatons, back to 5-A

The circle I drew over the background doesn't cover over the curvature of the earth too well but I doubt the results would change too significantly even if it was perfectly adjusted

Edit: I tried outlining the curvature better, the result is even lower than before (~420 thousand km for the diameter)

If y'all plan on running with this, I'll hold my evaluation.

If it doesn't amount to anything, I'm fine with the re-calcs and such in the OP that are accepted by the calc members.

 

[Omegabronic]

I went to check how using the ripped sprite from Origins would affect the calc

1685 / 0.5 = 3370

152.71484 * 3370 = 514649.011 km

Using the Planetary Parameter Calculator for convenience

The result is 3.52 Ronnatons, back to 5-A

The circle I drew over the background doesn't cover over the curvature of the earth too well but I doubt the results would change too significantly even if it was perfectly adjusted

Edit: I tried outlining the curvature better, the result is even lower than before (~420 thousand km for the diameter)

since now we wouldn't be basing it on Angel Island and the size found in S3K, i think the other shot from SA2, a more "modern" game would be best

 

[ShakeResounding]

So the calc needs to be edited accounting for Gilad's original GBE calc using SA2's measurements? Sounds fine to me.

You better hope they're still willing

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

since now we wouldn't be basing it on Angel Island and the size found in S3K, i think the other shot from SA2, a more "modern" game would be best

in that case the best way to get a non-inflated result would be to use the native resolution of the console/textures of the game the shot is from (i.e. 480p for the Dreamcast)

3D games can natively support higher resolutions but the textures stay the same resolution and are just stretched out or upscaled (no new details can be in the upscaled version that weren't in the original), so it'd be ideal to find a texture rip while using a screenshot at the original console's native resolution would also work

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Bump

 

[Dalesean027]

I went to check how using the ripped sprite from Origins would affect the calc

1685 / 0.5 = 3370

152.71484 * 3370 = 514649.011 km

Using the Planetary Parameter Calculator for convenience

The result is 3.52 Ronnatons, back to 5-A

The circle I drew over the background doesn't cover over the curvature of the earth too well but I doubt the results would change too significantly even if it was perfectly adjusted

Edit: I tried outlining the curvature better, the result is even lower than before (~420 thousand km for the diameter)

This also seems fine

 

[Peptocoptr27]

So, we're still at 5-A after all? I've lost track. No idea how much bigger the Earth is now.

 

[ShakeResounding]

If both are deemed fine, does that mean a rating of "At least 5-A" or "At least 5A likely High 5-A"?

 

[McFriesGuy075]

The High 5-A calc for 0.5% of the Eclipse Cannon's power only being enough to destroy a city on Earth was accepted.

I think High 5-A should be maintained instead, since the above makes it consistent with such a rating.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

The High 5-A calc for 0.5% of the Eclipse Cannon's power only being enough to destroy a city on Earth was accepted.

I think High 5-A should be maintained instead, since the above makes it consistent with such a rating.

Oh shit. Didn't even think of that. Was that calc linked here already? Don't think I've seen it. I don't even know where the 0.5% comes from.

 

[Omegabronic]

"0.5 percent isn't enough": Sonic Channel Story (2021) Eclipse Cannon V Earth

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This calc

 

[Peptocoptr27]

High 5-A is very blatantly the better option in my opinion. So much so in fact that even Death Battle should allow Sonic's Earth to be of that size considering this is very much no different from the logic they've allowed for Nolan and Bardock.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

High 5-A is very blatantly the better option in my opinion. So much so in fact that even Death Battle should allow Sonic's Earth to be of that size considering this is very much no different from the logic they've allowed for Nolan and Bardock.

Sonic's Earth size has way more logic than what they used to scale both of them