- 4,325
- 732
You don't need to prove that?I find it strange you have to prove that it's universal size in that case, but to reach 1-A tiers you don't need provably infinite higher dimensions.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
You don't need to prove that?I find it strange you have to prove that it's universal size in that case, but to reach 1-A tiers you don't need provably infinite higher dimensions.
Apparently not, I just find it strange how strict we are here, but lax in other areas.You don't need to prove that?
Well, that's not really how things are here.Apparently not, I just find it strange how strict we are here, but lax in other areas.
And used that as my example.
This does not exist. Unless you’re only talking about space only and time as a consequence. But that’d still wreck it in the past and future.Destroying the fabric of "Space-time" in the present
This does not exist. Unless you’re only talking about space only and time as a consequence. But that’d still wreck it in the past and future.
As long as you have been stated to have the ability to destroy the entire space-time then it should scale to your AP unless shwon otherwiseSo, how do you distinguish between someone threatening to destroy the space-time continuum by a chain reaction or by their direct attack?
You can't unless it's a direct statement.So, how do you distinguish between someone threatening to destroy the space-time continuum by a chain reaction or by their direct attack?
This would also happen in a chain reaction. I don’t fully get Ultima’s reasoning for considering it a chain reaction but I assume he will elaborate on how to differentiate in a different thread."My attack destroyed the past, present, and future of the space-time continuum."
I would also like to know this.If a character can react too, dodge, or block an omnidirectional Low 2-C attack/blast (with Space time continuum range)
Does this mean attack speed for the Attacker is immeasurable? Does this also mean the defender have immeasurable speed/reactions?
As what were saying is stuff about past, present, and future involved within the attack.
We are just going to assume that he is actually going to destroy it as whole via AP unless shown otherwise? It's simpleWell, say, we get a statement of "That's going to destroy the space-time continuum!" How do we know that it's going to ACTUALLY destroy the space-time continuum by itself, and not as a chain reaction?
I mean if a character has a statement like "I will destroy the whole space and time" then this should clearly qualify for low 2-C and it should scale to AP unless it was to be only via chain reactionThat would put every universe buster at tier 2 if they destroy all the space and it isn't specified if they destroyed the time.
It's a space-TIME continuum for a reason, they can't exist without each other.How do you link space and time...
It's indeed quite a strange standard that we've held since the beginnings of the wiki, way before I even got to revise the Tiering System, I think. Of course, saying that destroying any amount of spacetime is enough for Low 2-C sets an extremely bad precedent and is bound to inflate a bunch of feats, and that is exactly why I am going to make a thread regarding feats like this in the near future: This is also a response to anyone who is asking about feats where spacetime is destroyed locally, but not universally, by the way.Why is it unquantifiable when it comes to objects smaller than the universe?
What you are saying is the whole purpose of this thread, though: Distinguishing between cases where the universe's spacetime was explicitly destroyed entirely and cases where there is no evidence that anything beyond its material contents was directly affected. If a character says "I am going to destroy this spacetime!" and we have reason to believe they are capable of doing so, then we assume they are going to do exactly that, rather than going by interpretations with no basis.Even if a universe gets visually destroyed by the attack, it's literally a baseless assumption to say that the time was also destroyed by the attack, is it not? That isn't accurate in all scenarios, and the wiki is supposed to strive for accuracy, so how do we assume one of 2 just as likely scenarios happened? Is a statement all that's needed to make the distinction when it comes to universes?
Assuming "I'm going to destroy this universe in all past, present and future" as a default assumption when someone says "I'm going to destroy this space-time" is ridiculous. It definitely needs more complete proof.
Can you substantiate these statements, at least? I already explained why destroying spacetime at a single point in time is nonsensical and just an oxymoron (Which Greenshifter already pointed out up there), and I am fairly sure this goes against our standards on the matter. To extend the argument I made up there: If a character says they are going to destroy a planet, we don't really assume it'll be done through a chain reaction unless there is some good basis for that.Destroying the fabric of "Space-time" in the present is not the same thing as destroying the universe in all points in time simultaneously
If a character can react too, dodge, or block an omnidirectional Low 2-C attack/blast (with Space time continuum range)
Does this mean attack speed for the Attacker is immeasurable? Does this also mean the defender have immeasurable speed/reactions?
As what were saying is stuff about past, present, and future involved within the attack.
Seems dumb to me, it can be destroying the universe, destroying space and the present time, or destroying the whole timeline. Why would the standard take be the highest possible one? Does Sera think that's the most used take in fiction? Because I disagree. I get that some definitions of universe include time, but then again, where is the proof this takes in all time from the beginning to end of a timeline? Because regular people certainly doesn't use the word universe that way most of the time.but destroying "The entire universe" or "Destroying all existence" being used in universal context is generally Low 2-C according to Sera.