Ninjago: Tier 1

[StrymULTRA]

The ED is so big it not only contains the Realms, but nows covers their entire Universal sized space where they were once located

This is still 2-C.

 

[Hellformer]

If I'm not wrong, then this should be a solid reasoning for tier 1 upgrade:

• The Ninjago realm consists of multiple 4-D space-time continuums and serves as the 1st order time axis.
• The time vortex encompasses snapshots of ninjago realm throughout it, including the snapshots in which the realms were destroyed.
• This entails the presence of an additional/2nd temporal axis hence making the time vortex a 5-D structure.

Correct me if I'm wrong @Lloydblitzed @REX9097

 

[StrymULTRA]

If I'm not wrong, then this should be a solid reasoning for tier 1 upgrade:

• The Ninjago realm consists of multiple 4-D space-time continuums and serves as the 1st order time axis.
• The time vortex encompasses snapshots of ninjago realm throughout it, including the snapshots in which the realms were destroyed.
• This entails the presence of an additional/2nd temporal axis hence making the time vortex a 5-D structure.

Correct me if I'm wrong @Lloydblitzed @REX9097

That sounds better, simply the "lol space between universes" instead is definitely no.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

• The Ninjago realm consists of multiple 4-D space-time continuums and serves as the 1st order time axis.

This is iffy. Why can’t Digital Worlds exist outside of Ninjago Realm, while computers and everything are just entrances into it?

• The time vortex encompasses snapshots of ninjago realm throughout it, including the snapshots in which the realms were destroyed.
• This entails the presence of an additional/2nd temporal axis hence making the time vortex a 5-D structure.

Time Vortex does not contain any timelines. It acts as space (it being a space-time is not really provable and is very unlikely) beyond the space-time, which allows one to go to the different points in timelines, even in erased ones, yes. But it does not contain anything.

In simpler terms, Time Vortex, in series, simply acts as a “tunnel” to the past or future, a portal to which can be opened only by the full Time Element.



Also, I think I will revise my opinion to this subject, looking more into Low 1-C standards. I’m neutral for now.

 

[REX9097]

The Ninjago Realm (a space-time) contains a world with it a time axis, and The Time Vortex was shown to be a timestream containing the timelines multiple other seperate space-times (even erased events) with their own Time Axis, wouldn't they qualify?

Yes, the timeline of Skybound events still exists it was seen in Time Vortex, although Nadakhan erased these events, but here is still a timeline for Skybound events.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yes, the timeline of Skybound events still exists it was seen in Time Vortex, although Nadakhan erased these events, but here is still a timeline for Skybound events.

This is true, although unfortunately it does not qualify:

Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_How_do_temporal_dimensions_impact_tiering?
However, caution is necessary. As explained above, we require that the additional time dimension is "a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points." If new versions of timelines are only created if they are changed, due to time travel for example, then the number of "snapshots" of the timeline would be far more limited. The amount of snapshots would be one more than the times the timeline was changed. So, for example, if the timeline is rewritten 2 times, there would be 3 snapshots of the timeline: the original, the timeline after the first rewrite and the timeline after the second rewrite. That are far less than the required uncountably infinitely many.

 

[REX9097]

This is true, although unfortunately it does not qualify:

"if they are changed, due to time travel for example" not because events were erased from the timeline.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

They were created due to original one being changed, with a case being similar to Time Travel

 

[REX9097]

They were created due to original one being changed, with a case being similar to Time Travel

What Nadakhan does is change the events of the Timestream and not due to time travel or through time travel.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

What Nadakhan does is change the events of the Timestream and not due to time travel or through time travel.

It’s basically the same thing. He just reverted time to the first episode of sixth season. It would be the same as if someone time traveled to the past and hid the Tyrahn’s Teapot.

Again, note that the FAQ page says: “if timelines are created ONLY if timeline is changed”. This is what happens in Ninjago.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It’s basically the same thing. He just reverted time to the first episode of sixth season. It would be the same as if someone time traveled to the past and hid the Tyrahn’s Teapot.

Again, note that the FAQ page says: “if timelines are created ONLY if timeline is changed”. This is what happens in Ninjago.

Technically, Borg created a timeline by creating the Digiverse

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It was more about the case where timeline as a whole is changed (like ENTIRETY of timeline) and you have a completely new timeline, but you can still go to an old timeline via regular Time Travel.

 

[StrymULTRA]

This is true, although unfortunately it does not qualify:

To be fair if you go back in like in a whole new hypertimeline rather than just a timeline within the higher flow of time, it does qualify.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

To be fair if you go back in like in a whole new hypertimeline rather than just a timeline within the higher flow of time, it does qualify.

I see…

Well, then:

• Nadakhan, as accepted on his profile, reverted all of Skybound events, and made so he never got out of Tyrahn’s Teapot.
• Time Blades can open the Time Vortex, a tunnel that can lead to any point in time. Time Vortex also allowed Acronix to travel 40 years into the future in time (and Time Blades too but I’m too lazy to get the clips, my Internet is bad asf rn)
• Looking at “edges” of Time Vortex will allow one to see through what point of time they are currently passing through in Time Vortex, as seen when Wu saw they were passing through the present, and Kai and Nya actually got to present.
• A couple of such “snapshots” on edges of Time Vortex include Nadakhan, meaning that Time Vortex, a time-travel tunnel, can lead to the supposedly erased timeline.

This would qualify for Ninjago Realm having two temporal axises I think. I can get all supportive evidence or better links (because I used some YT links that ban random countries for no reason lmao) if needed.

 

[Sdjlakjh]

If I'm not wrong, then this should be a solid reasoning for tier 1 upgrade:

• The Ninjago realm consists of multiple 4-D space-time continuums and serves as the 1st order time axis.
• The time vortex encompasses snapshots of ninjago realm throughout it, including the snapshots in which the realms were destroyed.
• This entails the presence of an additional/2nd temporal axis hence making the time vortex a 5-D structure.

Correct me if I'm wrong @Lloydblitzed @REX9097

Sup bro

 

[Sdjlakjh]

Btw I agree with the proposement of Divide being 5D. Also the vortex stuff

 

[Hellformer]

This is iffy. Why can’t Digital Worlds exist outside of Ninjago Realm, while computers and everything are just entrances into it?

Time Vortex does not contain any timelines. It acts as space (it being a space-time is not really provable and is very unlikely) beyond the space-time, which allows one to go to the different points in timelines, even in erased ones, yes. But it does not contain anything.

In simpler terms, Time Vortex, in series, simply acts as a “tunnel” to the past or future, a portal to which can be opened only by the full Time Element.



Also, I think I will revise my opinion to this subject, looking more into Low 1-C standards. I’m neutral for now.

Ahem ahem I'm not well versed in ninjago, it was just my own speculation based on Lloydblitzed's comment, but thanks for correcting me.

 

[Hellformer]

Sup bro

Yo🗣

 

[Hellformer]

I see…

Well, then:

• Nadakhan, as accepted on his profile, reverted all of Skybound events, and made so he never got out of Tyrahn’s Teapot.
• Time Blades can open the Time Vortex, a tunnel that can lead to any point in time. Time Vortex also allowed Acronix to travel 40 years into the future in time (and Time Blades too but I’m too lazy to get the clips, my Internet is bad asf rn)
• Looking at “edges” of Time Vortex will allow one to see through what point of time they are currently passing through in Time Vortex, as seen when Wu saw they were passing through the present, and Kai and Nya actually got to present.
• A couple of such “snapshots” on edges of Time Vortex include Nadakhan, meaning that Time Vortex, a time-travel tunnel, can lead to the supposedly erased timeline.

This would qualify for Ninjago Realm having two temporal axises I think. I can get all supportive evidence or better links (because I used some YT links that ban random countries for no reason lmao) if needed.

Assuming you're well versed in Ninjago, this explanation seems solid for a tier 1 rating.
@REX9097 Add this in your CRT

 

[REX9097]

I see…

Well, then:

• Nadakhan, as accepted on his profile, reverted all of Skybound events, and made so he never got out of Tyrahn’s Teapot.
• Time Blades can open the Time Vortex, a tunnel that can lead to any point in time. Time Vortex also allowed Acronix to travel 40 years into the future in time (and Time Blades too but I’m too lazy to get the clips, my Internet is bad asf rn)
• Looking at “edges” of Time Vortex will allow one to see through what point of time they are currently passing through in Time Vortex, as seen when Wu saw they were passing through the present, and Kai and Nya actually got to present.
• A couple of such “snapshots” on edges of Time Vortex include Nadakhan, meaning that Time Vortex, a time-travel tunnel, can lead to the supposedly erased timeline.

This would qualify for Ninjago Realm having two temporal axises I think. I can get all supportive evidence or better links (because I used some YT links that ban random countries for no reason lmao) if needed.

Ok

 

[REX9097]

Time Vortex (Low 1-C)​

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Before starting with the arguments, let's revise the tiering system FAQ
(Note: This portion of the FAQ is the same as new one made by Ultima, check it over here)

From all this info, we can conclude that a space-time continuum can have 2 time axes if it is comprised of uncountably infinite points, each being a static snapshot of regular space-time continuum. Well, then:

• Nadakhan, as accepted on his profile, reverted all of Skybound events, and made so he never got out of Tyrahn’s Teapot.
• Time Blades can open the Time Vortex, a tunnel that can lead to any point in time. Time Vortex also allowed Acronix to travel 40 years into the future in time (and Time Blades too but I’m too lazy to get the clips, my Internet is bad asf rn)
• Looking at “edges” of Time Vortex will allow one to see through what point of time they are currently passing through in Time Vortex, as seen when Wu saw they were passing through the present, and Kai and Nya actually got to present.
• A couple of such “snapshots” on edges of Time Vortex include Nadakhan, meaning that Time Vortex, a time-travel tunnel, can lead to the supposedly erased timeline.

This prove for Ninjago Realm having two temporal axises. I can get all supportive evidence or better links (because I used some YT links that ban random countries for no reason lmao) if needed.

The Ethereal Divide (1-C)​

Each Realms are seperated by a interdimensional ethereal Realm called the Ethereal Divide, who's also known as the Nothing Space. Its the fabric of reality who seperates all of the 16 Realms from each other. The Divide is used by Dragons or Traveler's Tea users to travel in-between the Realms and it also encompass all of the Realms, and Realms are connected by a path that only goes through Ethereal Divide

Which means that Ethereal Divide is a higher-dimensional space, let's remember that this isn't the only thing that proves this, in Dragon rising Season 1 Episode 1, Mergequakes storm merged all realms and affect all reality. The higher realm was unaffected by the Mergequakes storm and merging the realms. It has its own separate temporality than realms. This is demonstrated by a Mergequakes powers. Since a Mergequakes only work with a higher temporal dimensions, which was able to merged all realms and make them have one time, even though they had a time with a different flows, and is and it cloud destroy all reality.
Take a look at this diagram for how Ethereal Divide work.

@Lloydblitzed @TheOrangeGuy09 @Hellformer

 

[Hellformer]

@Lloydblitzed @TheOrangeGuy09 @Hellformer

Low 1-C time vortex seems fine but not sure about 1-C Ethereal Divide

 

[REX9097]

Low 1-C time vortex seems fine but not sure about 1-C Ethereal Divide

Mergequakes storm destroys and merges all higher temporal dimensions and the Ethereal Divide is unaffected by this effect which makes it has its own separate temporality from realms and time vortex.