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The Grotesquery VS Sans
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Seems like it didn't work "<
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If you're here then vote!
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I guess the skelenton wins via better hax
but that mind/sound manipulation is something...
but that mind/sound manipulation is something...
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"Better hax" isn't a valid reason according to the last thread I saw on the subject
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Spartial, Soul, Gravity Manipulation, KARMA and be able to lock his opponet in a place so neither of them will be able to do anything is not valid enough?
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Now that you've specified the types of hax, that is better. But you can't say "wins with hax". It isn't a good reason
Although its debatable whether or not the grotesquery has a soul considering it's a corpse made of the body parts of a bunch of other things.
Sans: 1
Grotesquery: 0
Although its debatable whether or not the grotesquery has a soul considering it's a corpse made of the body parts of a bunch of other things.
Sans: 1
Grotesquery: 0
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Flowey actually needed Frisk to weaken Asgore to kill him, otherwise he couldn't have done it himself.
Souls as a whole might exist, and in fact we know they do in the SP verse. But the grotesquery is an undead creature made by inserting the organs and limbs of various other creatures into it and then reanimated through necromany. Again, it is highly debatable whether such a creature has a soul seeing as any soul of its component parts is already gone because those parts are dead
Souls as a whole might exist, and in fact we know they do in the SP verse. But the grotesquery is an undead creature made by inserting the organs and limbs of various other creatures into it and then reanimated through necromany. Again, it is highly debatable whether such a creature has a soul seeing as any soul of its component parts is already gone because those parts are dead
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He didn't had enough LOVE during that timeline
That happened during Sans vs Majin Buu thread...
That happened during Sans vs Majin Buu thread...
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Buu was an already existing living creature so it makes sense he would have a soul. The Grotesquery is made of dead parts, that have already lost their souls due to dying, and is only reanimated by necromancy, so it having a soul of its own is unlikely.
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The Grotesquery is make of parts of Faceless ones(Destroyed realms and mass murdered the human race) and other evil creatures. Sans's KR will work really good on it. With KR, Sans stomps.
But if the Grotesquery doesn't have a soul, KR wouldn't work, but Sans still might have a chance, and this is what I hope to discuss.
But if the Grotesquery doesn't have a soul, KR wouldn't work, but Sans still might have a chance, and this is what I hope to discuss.
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If the grotesquery has a soul, sans oneshots. But I don't think it has a soul, which lets the other abilities they have come into play.
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Lemme take my book out.
I suppose Cleavers could be counted as Peak Human. The Grotesquery fought a swarm of them, casually crushing them by holding them in his hands. Killed one with acid. Stronger than Mr Bliss, the strongest man at peak performance. The stinger is deadly, too. But dealing enough constant damage will slower it's regenaration, eventually killing it.
Sans is fragile, damage is not as powerful without KR, but is more versatile. Long range attacks is not what the Grotesquery good at, since his ranged attacks are the stinger and the acid, both which doesn't travel very far. The Grotesquery relies mainly on melee.
Grote's sound manipulation might have some effects, but is unknown if it works on Sans since skeletons don't have ears. The shockwave of darkness might give him more options to attack Sans.
The fight will go like this:
Sans stays at distances. No soul manipulation (which means no gravity slams). The Grotesquery uses his ranged attacks. Sans dodge and continue to chip away Grote's health. The key is that if Sans can deal enough damage to kill Grote before he tires out.
I suppose Cleavers could be counted as Peak Human. The Grotesquery fought a swarm of them, casually crushing them by holding them in his hands. Killed one with acid. Stronger than Mr Bliss, the strongest man at peak performance. The stinger is deadly, too. But dealing enough constant damage will slower it's regenaration, eventually killing it.
Sans is fragile, damage is not as powerful without KR, but is more versatile. Long range attacks is not what the Grotesquery good at, since his ranged attacks are the stinger and the acid, both which doesn't travel very far. The Grotesquery relies mainly on melee.
Grote's sound manipulation might have some effects, but is unknown if it works on Sans since skeletons don't have ears. The shockwave of darkness might give him more options to attack Sans.
The fight will go like this:
Sans stays at distances. No soul manipulation (which means no gravity slams). The Grotesquery uses his ranged attacks. Sans dodge and continue to chip away Grote's health. The key is that if Sans can deal enough damage to kill Grote before he tires out.
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The Grotesquery does have its own teleportation, which is likely hundreds of kilometres in range seeing as it uses parts of the Shibbach. Just pointing that out.
But the stamina bit was my main thought too. Can Sans deal enough damage to slow the grotesquery's Regenerationn enough to kill it before he himself becomes too exhausted to move?
But the stamina bit was my main thought too. Can Sans deal enough damage to slow the grotesquery's Regenerationn enough to kill it before he himself becomes too exhausted to move?
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The telepotation helps the Grotesquery to dodge, but not enough to hit Sans himself. Sans is much too fast for him.
I wonder if it's the base Grotesquery or Grotesquery at a lunar eclipse? Grote gets stronger in general but opening interversal portals isn't effective in battle unless summoning the Faceless ones, which then turns the thread into "Faceless Ones and Grotesquery vs Sans".
I wonder if it's the base Grotesquery or Grotesquery at a lunar eclipse? Grote gets stronger in general but opening interversal portals isn't effective in battle unless summoning the Faceless ones, which then turns the thread into "Faceless Ones and Grotesquery vs Sans".
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Oh I forgot. Speed needs to be equalised otherwise sans blitzes.
Also, the difference in power between normal power and during the lunar eclipse isn't really noticeable, with the only difference being the portal opening. But I'll ban that, seeing as summoning faceless ones is a bit overkill.
Also, the difference in power between normal power and during the lunar eclipse isn't really noticeable, with the only difference being the portal opening. But I'll ban that, seeing as summoning faceless ones is a bit overkill.
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Ta, if speed is equalised, I think Grote will still struggle to hit him since Sans has proven to be very good at dodging.
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Alright. So your vote is for sans?
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Not really, I haven't decided yet. Mark me as an inconclusive.
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Let's do some calculations:
Assuming LV1 Frisk is an peak human in durability(survived the fall to the underground without visible injuries), an peak human have 20 hit points. Sans deal 1 damage per frame, ignoring invincbility frames. Undertale runs at 24 frames per second, according to here .
The total amount of damage Sans can deal before tiring out is 6619, without soul manipulation and Karma. The calculations are here.
I can't seem to find my copy of PWF, so I can't do Grotesquery's durability.
Assuming LV1 Frisk is an peak human in durability(survived the fall to the underground without visible injuries), an peak human have 20 hit points. Sans deal 1 damage per frame, ignoring invincbility frames. Undertale runs at 24 frames per second, according to here .
The total amount of damage Sans can deal before tiring out is 6619, without soul manipulation and Karma. The calculations are here.
I can't seem to find my copy of PWF, so I can't do Grotesquery's durability.
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You can't really convert a novel character's durability into hit points of a game though
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Well, yeah lol.
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Sans roughly have the power to dish out 331 peak humans'worth of damage. I doubt there are even 100 cleavers there. Resistance to magic makes Valk and Skul near useless. 1 point for Skul for his gun. Taith can make up to 10 Cleavers. Bliss can probably make up to 50. Spider guy there might be 100. At most, Grote endured around 261. I'll give the fight to Sans.
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Wait why is Grotesquery 9-A if he "only" damaged to two 9-B?
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@Ambus - what? Not sure where you got all those numbers from. Also, cleavers are superior to base Skulduggery and Valkyrie, so no way are they all just peak human. Plus its stated in the first book that they are magically enhanced.
@Anonimoe Because it extremely casually fought, tanked the attacks of, and one-shot multiple "at least 9-B"s at once, one of who is vastly stronger than the others and had his punch casually tanked and was then punched back several dozen metres straight through a solid concrete wall (although he did survive, albeit he was injured)
@Anonimoe Because it extremely casually fought, tanked the attacks of, and one-shot multiple "at least 9-B"s at once, one of who is vastly stronger than the others and had his punch casually tanked and was then punched back several dozen metres straight through a solid concrete wall (although he did survive, albeit he was injured)
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sans has no way to get past Grotesquery's low-high regen , meanly because sans's soul attacks are useless agaist a souless being
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So he is 4000 times stronger than a at least 9-B?
the feats you said is still 9-B .-.
So he is 4000 times stronger than a at least 9-B?
the feats you said is still 9-B .-.
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@Anonomie you have a point. When I made the page I assumed the Grotesquery's feats were enough to move him from wall level up to room level. Perhaps they are not.
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It would be better "At least '''Wall''' Level"
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no, it should be Wall+ levelAnonimoe7875 said:
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It's been changed.
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Wall+ if he only need to be 2 times stronger to be Room
so likely no "<
so likely no "<
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No way to be sure seeing as we can't do any calcs. Best to just leave it as "at least wall level".
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Did you read the Grotesquery's weaknesses? If its heart is destroyed it will die, and seeing as Sans is 9-B just like the Grotesquery, that isn't exactly impossible.Overlord775 said:
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So it's now a battle of 2 at least 9-B...
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@Monarch Lacial It's just an estimate. Also, Taith can put down mutiple cleavers herself and I don't see any reason Taith is more powerful than Skulduggery, unless your talking about it physically.
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I'm talking about physical strength, as that is what their AP comes from
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sans is on the very low end of wall level and grotesquery on the high end of wall level
