Mahito VS Sans • (0-0-0)

[Phoenks]

The fact that people genuinely think everything in JJK requires abstract interaction is hilarious. You realize that affecting a physical body can also affect the information, right? It's a two-way street, not one-way. You don't have to affect the information to truly affect a person in JJK, that's not how it works.

People are not embodying the information itself.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If it does than its Type 1

It makes the character unkillable if you can't interact with what the AE 2 character relies on.

It's why WoU for Jojo has AE 2 despite it being a Stand made only of spiritual energy.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The fact that people genuinely think everything in JJK requires abstract interaction is hilarious. You realize that affecting a physical body can also affect the information, right? It's a two-way street, not one-way. You don't have to affect the information to truly affect a person in JJK, that's not how it works.

People are not embodying the information itself

Make a CRT then, if you disagree with how shit's worded then be my guest.

It's literally how it works here, embodying a concept/thought/info or whatever makes you impossible to kill unless they can interact with the thingy.

Plus again, you're misinterpreting what's Info 2. It's the building block of reality that allows it to exist, without it you can't exist, it's the same as Concept hax but "light version" basically. By your logic you can affect someone's concept even with physical interaction because "lol everything has a concept".

 

[BadSystems]

Can Sans even see Mahito?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

If it does than its Type 1

No, it must independent.
Ae1:independent
Ae2:dependent

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

It's why WoU for Jojo has AE 2 despite it being a Stand made only of spiritual energy.

It's source of power is abstract and it's independent.

 

[Phoenks]

Unless someone is a literal abstract embodiment of information, interacting with them doesn't require you to interact with the information itself. People on JJK are still physical despite being based in information, the same way as Tensura characters for example.

But they don't all have abstract type 1 because they aren't embodiments of that info. None of them have Abstract type 1 so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

You are the one misinterpreting things.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Can Sans even see Mahito?

lol no

 

[BadSystems]

lol no

Stomp gg

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I been said this shit from the start yet this is still going

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's source of power is abstract and it's independent.

I mean, it's still a Stand, either suddenly every Tooru's soul is a concept (because Stands are the manifestation of the user's soul lol), or it's AE 2.

Especially when Stands are stated from a fuckload of sources to be made of spiritual energy and nothing else.

 

[Arkenis]

The scans show nothing that prove info type 2.

The scans were accepted my guy. Stop bringing up this issue you have as right now it just isn't gonna factor in here since its on page rn. Make a crt then come back to this cuz for your own sake its pointless otherwise

 

[Rolgoat]

Sans' whole thing is manipulating souls, so yeah, he can. Provided he can interact with souls.

Btw, souls being made of information doesn't prevent sans from affecting the soul.

The same way physical bodies having information doesn't prevent physical interaction.

I still haven't seen an answer for low godly

 

[Phoenks]

I still haven't seen an answer for low godly

If Sans can destroy his soul he bypasses Low-Godly lol.

 

[Arkenis]

Unless someone is a literal abstract embodiment of information, interacting with them doesn't require you to interact with the information itself. People on JJK are still physical despite being based in information, the same way as Tensura characters for example.

Okay I don't know if you're just misinterpreting what Mahito's informational interaction is but its from his manipulation of souls in JJK. The souls in jjk are accepted as information type 2 as of now

If Sans can destroy his soul he bypasses Low-Godly lol.

So if Sans soul destruction isn't on an informational level then this isn't going to work on Mahito.

 

[Phoenks]

Okay I don't know if you're just misinterpreting what Mahito's informational interaction is but its from his manipulation of souls in JJK. The souls in jjk are accepted as information type 2 as of now

Again, they aren't abstract embodiments of information type 2. That is not accepted anywhere in JJK as of current. Please stop spreading misinformation.

 

[BadSystems]

Sans can't see Mahito anyway so we just close the thread.

 

[Arkenis]

Can Sans even see Mahito?

No. Sans has no es or esp lol. This match is just a stomp

 

[Arkenis]

Again, they aren't abstract embodiments of information type 2. That is not accepted anywhere in JJK as of current. Please stop spreading misinformation.

• Non-Physical Interaction & Information Manipulation (Abstract - Type 2 - Thoughts - The soul and the physical body are illusory boundaries of a person's being that are both fundamentally information. Ogami's technique utilized cursed energy to summon the information of Toji's body while keeping the information comprising his soul separate. Toji was still able to overcome the process and dominate the possessor's soul with only his "body information" which also allowed him to retain his innate feelings and kill himself vs Megumi[1][2][3]. It can also interact with cursed spirits who are the manifested forms of images, emotions, and information stemming from collective human awareness and perceptions related to various phenomena[4]. The doughnut shop-girl had the spirit on her back/shoulders and directly touches the area where the curse is on her and doesn't interact with it but Nanami can[5]. Low-Grade curses are constantly exorcised, which are capable of becoming intangible)

Please read this. I was the one who put information type 2 on Mahito's page as well. Again if you disagree with this then make a crt.

 

[Phoenks]

• Non-Physical Interaction & Information Manipulation (Abstract - Type 2 - Thoughts - The soul and the physical body are illusory boundaries of a person's being that are both fundamentally information. Ogami's technique utilized cursed energy to summon the information of Toji's body while keeping the information comprising his soul separate. Toji was still able to overcome the process and dominate the possessor's soul with only his "body information" which also allowed him to retain his innate feelings and kill himself vs Megumi[1][2][3]. It can also interact with cursed spirits who are the manifested forms of images, emotions, and information stemming from collective human awareness and perceptions related to various phenomena[4]. The doughnut shop-girl had the spirit on her back/shoulders and directly touches the area where the curse is on her and doesn't interact with it but Nanami can[5]. Low-Grade curses are constantly exorcised, which are capable of becoming intangible)

Please read this. I was the one who put information type 2 on Mahito's page as well. Again if you disagree with this then make a crt.

That's not abstract type 1. That's abstract type 2 which does not require abstract interaction to be affected.

 

[Arkenis]

That's not abstract type 1. That's abstract type 2 which does not require abstract interaction to be affected.

what? We are talking about information type 2. "Type 2" in the explanation is in reference to information type 2 not Ae 2. That is probably the misunderstanding here.

 

[Phoenks]

what? We are talking about information type 2. "Type 2" in the explanation is in reference to information type 2 not Ae 2. That is probably the misunderstanding here.

The misunderstanding is that you are saying they can't interact with JJK people because they can interact with information.

I'm saying that's incorrect. People in JJK don't embody information, they can just interact with it.

 

[Arkenis]

The misunderstanding is that you are saying they can't interact with JJK people because they can interact with information.

No the souls not the people lol.

 

[Phoenks]

No the souls not the people lol.

The souls lack abstract type 1.

 

[Arkenis]

The souls lack abstract type 1.

Dude what? We are talking info type 2 not Ae.

 

[Phoenks]

Dude what? We are talking info type 2 not Ae.

I'm aware. The souls aren't abstract type 1 embodiments of information so they don't require further abstract interaction, is what I'm saying.

They can be interacted with normal soul manipulation. The same as physical things in JJK can be interact with normal physical interaction.

 

[Arkenis]

I'm aware. The souls aren't abstract type 1 embodiments of information so they don't require further abstract interaction, is what I'm saying.

They can be interacted with normal soul manipulation. The same as physical things in JJK can be interact with normal physical interaction.

Okay I see what you're saying now. The idea is not that they embody information, they are information itself in JJK.
And information type 2 is a building block of the world not the world itself, so of course anyone can interact with it.

 

[Phoenks]

Okay I see what you're saying now. The idea is not that they embody information, they are information itself in JJK.
And information type 2 is a building block of the world not the world itself, so of course anyone can interact with it.

No, they don't embody information in that way you are inferring. Otherwise they would have Abstract Existence Type 1 similar to Spiritual Lifeforms from Tensura, who are actually complete embodiments of information.

Without AE1 you can not argue that they need info type 2 to interact with the souls, the same way you can't say that for their physical bodies.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I mean, it's still a Stand, either suddenly every Tooru's soul is a concept (because Stands are the manifestation of the user's soul lol), or it's AE 2.

Especially when Stands are stated from a fuckload of sources to be made of spiritual energy and nothing else.

Yeah, but soul ≠ spiritual energy

Stands are weird some are the manifestation of the user soul while some are more of a curse or the sometimes the manifestation of a concept like the spin and calamity.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

can just interact with it.

Limited to the soul and even that's is vague.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Okay I see what you're saying now. The idea is not that they embody information, they are information itself in JJK.
And information type 2 is a building block of the world not the world itself, so of course anyone can interact with it.

Bleach look more info type 2 than this.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah, but soul ≠ spiritual energy

Stands are weird some are the manifestation of the user soul while some are more of a curse or the sometimes the manifestation of a concept like the spin and calamity.

Thing is, a concept is just that, a concept. It can't be made of spiritual energy, it's contradictory.

Besides if you wanna change it there's always the option for a CRT.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Thing is, a concept is just that, a concept. It can't be made of spiritual energy, it's contradictory.

Besides if you wanna change it there's always the option for a CRT.

What energy?
There is no energy system in JJBA.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Dawg take this discussion to the JJK general thread

this shit is joever

 

[Arkenis]

Bleach look more info type 2 than this.

Ig, make a crt though either way.

 

[SavorySlasher]

I assume it would be a difficult battle considering Sans is aware of Soul Hax and how to harm/protect the soul. Even with that knowledge, I doubt he can resist Idol Transfiguration.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Even assuming that Sans can see and interact with Mahito, he'd just go for DE: Self-Embodiment of Play Dough once he realizes that this skeleton has a way to hurt him. And Mahito can facetank at least some soul damage while Sans turns to paste with any hit confirmed.

 

[SavorySlasher]

Even assuming that Sans can see and interact with Mahito, he'd just go for DE: Self-Embodiment of Play Dough once he realizes that this skeleton has a way to hurt him. And Mahito can facetank at least some soul damage while Sans turns to paste with any hit confirmed.

I agree. One hit would be enough to blow Sans away. Mahito stomps. Considering how Mahito is invisible, Mahito can one shot, and Mahito AP and Soul Hax> Sans AP/Hax it would be a complete blowout. Sorry Sans.

 

[Arkenis]

Mahito FRA. Sans can't see curses, and one touch should be all Mahito needs here given Sans also has no soul resistances.... why was this match made and why did we even argue about soul manip being info or no, Sans can't even resist basic soul manip

 

[One-Mastor]

Mahito FRA, but looks like a stomp