The reasons for the split are clearly stated in the blog. The established cosmological systems aren't compatible with each other, which affects scaling chains. I'm unaware of how this influences a Tier 1 Superman discussion. For any character, I would be skeptical of a rating if the proposed scaling chain jumps across different cosmology systems.
For what it's worth, Superman has not really come up at all throughout the discussions we've been having. Unless you were just using Superman as a stand-in to ask "are we splitting the verse because we don't want it to be tiered highly" in which case, it's obviously difficult to truly disprove bias or personal intent, but I can speak for myself in saying this is born of a desire to have accurate models for the verse, because mashing clearly contradictory things together is not the best way to approach it, and there's so much of that going on in DC.
As a result of having several authors and being a setting that's been ongoing for several decades, it inevitably lead to several different revisions and outright retconning of major aspects of the cosmology (sometimes multiple in less than 5 years) so it's more so that taking the cosmology as one unbroken whole would lead to a very incoherent mess due to massive incongruencies between different comic book runs and eras on that regard.
I really don't think "has a history of stonewalling" is something you can bring up to try and prevent someone from at least making an argument, this thread is going to be under the eyes of the entire staff community and he'd basically be by himself vs like 10 supporters so I really doubt Xearsay would be capable of pulling that off even if he wanted. He at least has some questions he'd like to ask and IMO he should get to.
That is correct, yes. I originally initiated this project over 2 years ago because I am anal-retentive/compulsively obsessed with truthful accuracy, and our current scaling for the cosmology itself largely does not seem to make any coherent logical sense.
I suppose that is a valid point. I just fear that this revision will get derailed and spammed to oblivion, which would necessitate a restart.
Superman doesn't have an 1-A key, and after cosmology-split DC will still have 1-A characters.
True bust most of DC after the split is way below 1-A
If their tier isn't based on cosmology, they wouldn't be keyed as such. If they are written within an entirely singular cosmology they would probably be tiered within their own storyline. But it's all a case by case basis, as is anything.
He posted on Armorchompy's wall saying he doesn't have any problem with the split and just had some questions. I think we should focus on people who actually disagree so that they can explain their basis for it.
The only "Superman" who'd inherently be relevant here is Thought Robot, who is already 1-A outright and possibly for other reasons. Rebirth Superman had his key removed because it was more of a "The only reason he had it was because of Mr Mxyzptlk having the ability to amp people that high and not Superman's own power/form or any special weapon he possessed." 6th Dimension being downgraded from 1-A to 1-B or Low 1-C wouldn't even be relevant for Superman specifically. Though it be a downgrade for World Forger if that happens, but the key just doesn't apply to Superman or Batman regardless of where it lands.
Well, it depends on if we will get a sufficient number of knowledgeable other applicants.
If Xearsay will only make these types of reasonable posts, it is probably fine for him to comment here as well.
Sigh...
I think that Tupka217, the head of the DC Comics wiki, and one of very few Fandom editors with an even larger number of regular edits than I have, once told me something similar about Morrison in a private chat.
It's a thread discussing whether or not the cosmology should be split into sections or not. The scaling comes later.
Sorry, this thread isn't for those discussions. It's to discuss whether or not the cosmology should be split at all. Specific discussions about where the splits should be, and what tiers they should be, will happen later, since those discussions are moot until the cosmology split is approved.
No problem at all.
Unfortunately I'll be repeating myself here, but it's a case by case basis. We don't plan on laying out hyper-specific criteria that will be followed in every case, it'll be by community/staff consensus like any CRT is. There are a lot of factors that play into decisions like that which aren't objective, and where good reason and common sense need to be applied.
No plans at this time to split it, but perhaps at some point a more thorough look can be given at certain Pre-Crisis profiles to see if they are tiered based on this kind of thing. I'm not super well read up on Pre-Crisis, but from what I can tell, not that many of the characters scale to a cosmology either way.
It'll be the same as the way we assess whether or not a special version of a character needs their own key, or whether or not a character is significant enough to get a key. Again, nothing specific like "8 issues and you're in" but it won't be significantly different from comparable processes that already occur on the site.
Good question, I'm not really sure. It would depend on what the guidebook says and how someone is trying to use that information for scaling and why. Off the top of my head, I don't know of any significant DC characters who are tiered based on guidebook information.
