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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

Doesn't matter.
There is a Supreme Being implied to being at the root, but regardless though, we have to actually review the evidence and context of the Nasuverse if the revisions goes through since ultimately that will implied the cosmology is Tier 0 with a existence of a Tier 0 being to begin with.

Again, I going off what has already been used in theory to begin with since it is a philosophical theory to say the least
 
There is a Supreme Being implied to being at the root, but regardless though, we have to actually review the evidence and context of the Nasuverse if the revisions goes through since ultimately that will implied the cosmology is Tier 0 with a existence of a Tier 0 being to begin with.

Again, I going off what has already been used in theory to begin with since it is a philosophical theory to say the least
What are you talking about?
 
What are you talking about?
“God” has been mentioned multiple times in Fate. Hell IIRC, Solomon, Jeanne, and some important lore made mentions of “God”. I recall there was a quote that outright mentioned God being in the “Root” to say the least and it is not from a Fate series, but connected to the Nasuverse all the same.

Again, all the evidence and context is needed to prove that is the case.

Beside, Ultima didn’t address Monad as a universal concept (that has been discussed in the past by a certain few people in the metaphysics field anyway).
 
“God” has been mentioned multiple times in Fate. Hell IIRC, Solomon, Jeanne, and some important lore made mentioned of “God”. I recall there was a quote that outright mentioned God being in the “Root” to say the least and it is not from a Fate series, but connected to the Nasuverse all the same.

Again, all the evidence and context is needed to prove that is the case.
I'm not going to be delving into this topic now but it looks like you misunderstood how God(s) are in the Nasuverse. The God Solomon, Jeanne and Kirei worship is the Nasuverse's version of the Judeo-Christian, Abrahamic God. He has nothing to do with the Root. And there is almost nothing we know about that God except that he gave Solomon the 10 rings.

And there is no "God" in the root. I don't know where you got that from.
Beside, Ultima didn’t address Monad as a universal concept (that has been discussed in the past by a certain few people in the metaphysics field anyway).
??? So what have they been discussing for months now?
 
I'm not going to be delving into this topic now but it looks like you misunderstood how God(s) are in the Nasuverse. The God Solomon, Jeanne and Kirei worship is the Nasuverse's version of the Judeo-Christian, Abrahamic God. He has nothing to do with the Root. And there is almost nothing we know about that God except that he gave Solomon the 10 rings.

And there is no "God" in the root. I don't know where you got that from.

??? So what have they been discussing for months now?


do?

Aoko: Huh, I didn't say? To get revenge on me and to touch the Root. You remember that talk about the Whirl of the Root, don't you?

Soujuurou: ....Was that the source of magecraft?

Aoko: Yes, and also our final objective. The Whirl of the Root is position where all knowledge is recorded, and all things are determined. If you can look, touch, understand it, even the word "impossible" can be remade. It has many names in legends, but it's basically the position where God is.

Soujuurou: By God, you don't mean the 8 million kami?

Aoko: It's because you say things like that sometimes that makes you troublesome. I mean, there are gods in every form, but I’m talking about the big underlying assumption that decided that.”

That is the quote from a novel named Mahoutsukai No Yoru

I added it to my outdated cosmology blog back then since it did seems important to take notes related to the Root and all
 
Yap Expansion: Malevolent Ramble.
Hey, I will say it. Theory of Monads is being used here regardless of whatever you like it or not as you basically saying we need to make the cosmology Tier 0 along with a Tier 0 being.


That is legitimately what I saying due to the Theory of Monad basically even though I not sure how a certain philosopher of the past will feel about the Theory of Monad being used to this extent.
 


do?

Aoko: Huh, I didn't say? To get revenge on me and to touch the Root. You remember that talk about the Whirl of the Root, don't you?

Soujuurou: ....Was that the source of magecraft?

Aoko: Yes, and also our final objective. The Whirl of the Root is position where all knowledge is recorded, and all things are determined. If you can look, touch, understand it, even the word "impossible" can be remade. It has many names in legends, but it's basically the position where God is.

Soujuurou: By God, you don't mean the 8 million kami?

Aoko: It's because you say things like that sometimes that makes you troublesome. I mean, there are gods in every form, but I’m talking about the big underlying assumption that decided that.”

That is the quote from a novel named Mahoutsukai No Yoru

I added it to my outdated cosmology blog back then since it did seems important to take notes related to the Root and all
Ah the infamous misunderstood translations. The scan is basically saying the Root holds the "position" of "God." In nooby words, it is "God-level."
 
Ah the infamous misunderstood translations. The scan is basically saying the Root holds the "position" of "God." In nooby words, it is "God-level."
I don’t think anyone can say it is “misunderstood” when it does outright say “Where God is” so I don’t think the Root holds the position of “God” as it is the opposite. Don’t even try to misinterpret the quote as you did here anyway.

Edit: Also here is the rest of that quote:

“Those who succeeded and those who failed touched it couldn't return to this world. Why they told people about the "Whirl of the Root" may have been the result of the very first person to have become God wanting companions out of loneliness.....Or maybe because their work on the other side was so massive they needed other companions.””
 
I don’t think anyone can say it is “misunderstood” when it does outright say “Where God is” so I don’t think the Root holds the position of “God” as it is the opposite. Don’t even try to misinterpret the quote as you did here anyway.

Edit: Also here is the rest of that quote:

“Those who succeeded and those who failed touched it couldn't return to this world. Why they told people about the "Whirl of the Root" may have been the result of the very first person to have become God wanting companions out of loneliness.....Or maybe because their work on the other side was so massive they needed other companions.””
Whatever helps you sleep buddy😴 Don't have time to deal with this.
 
Whatever names you sleep buddy😴 Don't have time to deal with this.
Again, if you can provide any other translations, then you might make a point, but so far, I haven’t heard anything that is to the contrary. You can say otherwise, but it is what I found from my research into the Nasuverse’s cosmology especially since this is translated anyway
 
Again, if you can provide any other translations, then you might make a point, but so far, I haven’t heard anything that is to the contrary. You can say otherwise, but it is what I found from my research into the Nasuverse’s cosmology especially since this is translated anyway
The scan you are using is literally gotten from someone I know so no, it's not a translation problem. You just can't understand what Aoko is explaining. And I already explained it to you. Why would there be a God in the root? Do you understand what the root is at all?

I gotta sleep now. Don't bother me with your stuff anymore.
 
The scan you are using is literally gotten from someone I know so no, it's not a translation problem. You just can't understand what Aoko is explaining. And I already explained it to you. Why would there be a God in the root? Do you understand what the root is at all?

I gotta sleep now. Don't bother me with your stuff anymore.
Again what? You keep insisting this is a scan when this is a dialogue between two characters. You keep claiming otherwise, but that is simply not true as the quote I got came from this site.

 
Also that doesn’t stop the fact at the end of their conversation, she brought up as if it was a person so again, that doesn’t disprove there is a being in the Root (There is a being in the root). The fact you keep overlooking that fact is just you denying it tbh, but, we have to see how this goes
 
Can someone explain high outer+?
In short, a being that embodies the Cosmology itself. For example, God from Seekers is true one the reality beyond Creation. Creation itself, which is everything is, Maya, she's the embodiment of the illusion which is what God is dreaming of. Essentially, everything that's not teir 0.
 
In short, a being that embodies the Cosmology itself. For example, God from Seekers is true one the reality beyond Creation. Creation itself, which is everything is, Maya, she's the embodiment of the illusion which is what God is dreaming of. Essentially, everything that's not teir 0.
what does modal realism got to do with it, as someone I know has problems with high outer+ using it
 
what does modal realism got to do with it, as someone I know has problems with high outer+ using it
The lowest interpretation or without any other context is simply Low 1-A. Modal Realism would have to fit the Cosmology and it's a possibility as a whole defining all aspects of possibility(possible worlds and impossible worlds) that came from Monad and not just an individualized possibility to get High 1-A+.

Honestly, we’ll just have to wait and see.
 
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