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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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any hope for doctor who, i think he has platonism and a type 4 multiverse iirc
Tdjwo
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Void is root so 0. I think Ultima already said characters that represent the same thing but with different keys still get the same tier 0.
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ik but i remember ultima saying a character cant be ''0 with powers'' anymore, and currently void shiki is At least High 6-C physically, 1-A with her powers
Tdjwo
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Void Shiki being High 6-C never made any sense in the first place considering they used feats from Ryougi Shiki for her Void self despite being different personalities. Void Shiki is supposed to have her own separate profile or a profile besides the root itself.
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Isn't void shiki literally the root? I don't know much about Fate, but...It is literally stated in her profile that if she dies, the entire verse goes with her
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If something in the verse is capable of killing her, then she shouldn't be tier 0.
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The space of all possibilities, not whatever the tier 0 happened to actually create in that story. If a tier 0 being only created one universe, that universe would not be High 1-A+.
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So, in the end, what tier will God from Unsong get? I remember it being mentioned by Ultima back when he was debating with Deagon (if it's not me just having Mandela effect), but ever since then many things had changed
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Ultima's gonna reread to gather evidence. Any tier between Low 1-A and 0 seems possible.
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Seems plausible in my eyes. But I'll pray for tier 0 since I don't wanna see Him getting negged by Yogiri (tier-wise, of course)
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I'm surprised scp doesn't have a monad ngl
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It does, it's just contradicted such that it doesn't qualify.
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i meant monad in the sense of it being for the tiering system
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Then you shouldn't be surprised. A hodge-podge that almost anyone can add to, which wasn't established with a monad early on, pretty obviously wouldn't be able to keep one around without contradictions.
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i forgot to mention, i was thinking backrooms but the relevant part is not on this wiki
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Bruh
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hah well to somewhat respond to his question, technically there’s an example of that in the Backrooms, the Pillars are “transdual” over reality and unreality
and they transcend a High 1-A verse, they can’t be tier 0 cuz of some stuff but i have them at High 1-A+ rn cuz omnipotence etc.
and they transcend a High 1-A verse, they can’t be tier 0 cuz of some stuff but i have them at High 1-A+ rn cuz omnipotence etc.
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Does the backrooms even have a baseline level?
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Karabach-barabach
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What's the baseline level of the Backrooms rn, this is what he means
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i don’t understand “baseline level” here tho. if he meant the first level wanderers end up in normally, its level 0
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In order to qualify for R>F transcendence, there has to be baseline reality, for the higher reality to see as fiction.
For example, Narnia is the baseline, and New Narnia, introduced at the end of the novels, is a higher reality.
For backrooms, you can’t really pick which level or group of levels are the baseline.
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Tbh I highly doubt The Backrooms will ever get on here. SCP barely passed by the skin of its teeth, and that was with thousands of articles and authors, all on a single, well-moderated site that had been established for over a decade. As far as I know, nothing close to that caliber exists for The Backrooms.
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oh. no the 1-A stuff for Backrooms doesn’t have to do with levels, the baseline reality is the entire multiverse
levels would peak very high in High 1-B+
the Blue Channel encompassing the entire multiverse is Low 1-A
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now you got me conflicted, one one hand High 1-A Homestuck, in the other hand 1-A Jojo which is pretty funny
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What’s the line of reasoning for Uncle Grandpa’s upgrade ? I’d like to personally look into it to be certain of it
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Who the heck is Uncle Grandpa?
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Our Hero...And Grandpa
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1-A jojo, send lil boy before I come to you
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Okay so I found this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ShionAH/Uncle_Grandpa
I can understand the upgrade if this is the arguments
I can understand the upgrade if this is the arguments
Karabach-barabach
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I'm ngl, it took me some time to find the blog cuz the link didn't work for me
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don't worry it only applies to a single character but it gives other characters 1-A smurf hax1-A jojo, send lil boy before I come to you
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Does this new system allow smurf hax?
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you can be a tier 0 smurf (like being "blessed" or guided by said tier 0)
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Who has hax that scale to Beyond? Is it just the people that have Beyond's protection/blessing? I haven't read Jorge Joestar, so I don't know.
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