The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

[Agnaa]

Wym

The next thread won't be about who scales where. It'll be about deciding how to alter other tiers, such as tier 11 and the rest of tier 1, and about how to reword instruction pages.

This makes me think tier 0 and H1A+ are not really that related.

High 1-A+ is the space of things that a tier 0 being is theoretically able to create, so I'd say it's quite related.

It's just a bit tough to reach, since a tier 0 could happen to only create a single universe within a series, so scaling to a tier 0's creation wouldn't necessarily land you at High 1-A+.

Theoretically a good enough statement could have a character reach there without the cosmology supporting it, but I think you'd already need quite a bit support, since those sorts of statements (in the vein of modal realism and Type IV multiverses) could also simply land the character at Low 1-A/High 1-A.

 

[MrOMG]

0-tier level Ain Sof Aur 000 from ToAru let's goooooooooo

 

[Karabach-barabach]

0-tier level Ain Sof Aur 000 from ToAru let's goooooooooo

I will pay my child support if I will finally see a tier 0 character from Raildex

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

High 1-A+ is the space of things that a tier 0 being is theoretically able to create, so I'd say it's quite related.

The space of all possibilities or just what has been created?

 

[Genericstickman]

The next thread won't be about who scales where. It'll be about deciding how to alter other tiers, such as tier 11 and the rest of tier 1, and about how to reword instruction pages.

you mean we have to wait even longer for this to be in effect?

 

[Karabach-barabach]

you mean we have to wait even longer for this to be in effect?

As long as I'll see new anime characters' faces in High 1-A tier except Ichiban characters, I'll wait for as much as it will take for the update to come upon these lands

 

[Livinmeme]

Counterpoint, homosuck is going to be 1-A+, or high 1-A

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

any hope for doctor who, i think he has platonism and a type 4 multiverse iirc

 

[Iiliminal]

Since the root becomes tier 0, does void shiki get upgraded as well? currently 1-A with powers, so I was thinking High 1-A+ or something like that

 

[Tdjwo]

Since the root becomes tier 0, does void shiki get upgraded as well? currently 1-A with powers, so I was thinking High 1-A+ or something like that

Void is root so 0. I think Ultima already said characters that represent the same thing but with different keys still get the same tier 0.

 

[Iiliminal]

Void is root so 0. I think Ultima already said characters that represent the same thing but with different keys still get the same tier 0.

ik but i remember ultima saying a character cant be ''0 with powers'' anymore, and currently void shiki is At least High 6-C physically, 1-A with her powers

 

[Tdjwo]

ik but i remember ultima saying a character cant be ''0 with powers'' anymore, and currently void shiki is At least High 6-C physically, 1-A with her powers

Void Shiki being High 6-C never made any sense in the first place considering they used feats from Ryougi Shiki for her Void self despite being different personalities. Void Shiki is supposed to have her own separate profile or a profile besides the root itself.

 

[Livinmeme]

ik but i remember ultima saying a character cant be ''0 with powers'' anymore, and currently void shiki is At least High 6-C physically, 1-A with her powers

Isn't void shiki literally the root? I don't know much about Fate, but...It is literally stated in her profile that if she dies, the entire verse goes with her

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

If something in the verse is capable of killing her, then she shouldn't be tier 0.

 

[Tdjwo]

Isn't void shiki literally the root? I don't know much about Fate,

Yes, she/it is the root.

but...It is literally stated in her profile that if she dies, the entire verse goes with her

That was never stated anywhere.

 

[Agnaa]

The space of all possibilities or just what has been created?

The space of all possibilities, not whatever the tier 0 happened to actually create in that story. If a tier 0 being only created one universe, that universe would not be High 1-A+.

 

[Karabach-barabach]

So, in the end, what tier will God from Unsong get? I remember it being mentioned by Ultima back when he was debating with Deagon (if it's not me just having Mandela effect), but ever since then many things had changed

 

[Agnaa]

So, in the end, what tier will God from Unsong get? I remember it being mentioned by Ultima back when he was debating with Deagon (if it's not me just having Mandela effect), but ever since then many things had changed

Ultima's gonna reread to gather evidence. Any tier between Low 1-A and 0 seems possible.

 

[Karabach-barabach]

Ultima's gonna reread to gather evidence. Any tier between Low 1-A and 0 seems possible.

Seems plausible in my eyes. But I'll pray for tier 0 since I don't wanna see Him getting negged by Yogiri (tier-wise, of course)

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I'm surprised scp doesn't have a monad ngl

 

[Agnaa]

I'm surprised scp doesn't have a monad ngl

It does, it's just contradicted such that it doesn't qualify.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

It does, it's just contradicted such that it doesn't qualify.

i meant monad in the sense of it being for the tiering system

 

[Agnaa]

Then you shouldn't be surprised. A hodge-podge that almost anyone can add to, which wasn't established with a monad early on, pretty obviously wouldn't be able to keep one around without contradictions.

 

[Iiliminal]

Reading through Ultima's new comment on the Tier 0 thread, who qualifies for High 1A+? I can't really think of any other character that isn't Self Reference Engine.

i forgot to mention, i was thinking backrooms but the relevant part is not on this wiki

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

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Bruh

 

[Iiliminal]

hah well to somewhat respond to his question, technically there’s an example of that in the Backrooms, the Pillars are “transdual” over reality and unreality
and they transcend a High 1-A verse, they can’t be tier 0 cuz of some stuff but i have them at High 1-A+ rn cuz omnipotence etc.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

hah well to somewhat respond to his question, technically there’s an example of that in the Backrooms, the Pillars are “transdual” over reality and unreality
and they transcend a High 1-A verse, they can’t be tier 0 cuz of some stuff but i have them at High 1-A+ rn cuz omnipotence etc.

Does the backrooms even have a baseline level?

 

[Iiliminal]

Does the backrooms even have a baseline level?

wdym?

 

[Karabach-barabach]

wdym?

What's the baseline level of the Backrooms rn, this is what he means

 

[Iiliminal]

What's the baseline level of the Backrooms rn, this is what he means

i don’t understand “baseline level” here tho. if he meant the first level wanderers end up in normally, its level 0

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

wdym?

In order to qualify for R>F transcendence, there has to be baseline reality, for the higher reality to see as fiction.

For example, Narnia is the baseline, and New Narnia, introduced at the end of the novels, is a higher reality.

For backrooms, you can’t really pick which level or group of levels are the baseline.

 

[Livinmeme]

Fun fact. With the new upgrade there is a good chance that uncle grandpa curbstomps all of warhammer, almost all of DnD, homestuck, SMT and all xianxia that is currently here (unless they get some BS upgrade)

 

[Da3ggman]

Tbh I highly doubt The Backrooms will ever get on here. SCP barely passed by the skin of its teeth, and that was with thousands of articles and authors, all on a single, well-moderated site that had been established for over a decade. As far as I know, nothing close to that caliber exists for The Backrooms.

 

[Livinmeme]

all on a single, well-moderated site

 

[Iiliminal]

In order to qualify for R>F transcendence, there has to be baseline reality, for the higher reality to see as fiction.

For example, Narnia is the baseline, and New Narnia, introduced at the end of the novels, is a higher reality.

For backrooms, you can’t really pick which level or group of levels are the baseline.

oh. no the 1-A stuff for Backrooms doesn’t have to do with levels, the baseline reality is the entire multiverse
levels would peak very high in High 1-B+
the Blue Channel encompassing the entire multiverse is Low 1-A

 

[Genericstickman]

Counterpoint, homosuck is going to be 1-A+, or high 1-A

now you got me conflicted, one one hand High 1-A Homestuck, in the other hand 1-A Jojo which is pretty funny

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Fun fact. With the new upgrade there is a good chance that uncle grandpa curbstomps all of warhammer, almost all of DnD, homestuck, SMT and all xianxia that is currently here (unless they get some BS upgrade)

What’s the line of reasoning for Uncle Grandpa’s upgrade ? I’d like to personally look into it to be certain of it

 

[Karabach-barabach]

Fun fact. With the new upgrade there is a good chance that uncle grandpa curbstomps all of warhammer, almost all of DnD, homestuck, SMT and all xianxia that is currently here (unless they get some BS upgrade)

Who the heck is Uncle Grandpa?

 

[Livinmeme]

Who the heck is Uncle Grandpa?

Our Hero...And Grandpa

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

now you got me conflicted, one one hand High 1-A Homestuck, in the other hand 1-A Jojo which is pretty funny

1-A jojo, send lil boy before I come to you