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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Hey, I will say it. Theory of Monads is being used here regardless of whatever you like it or not as you basically saying we need to make the cosmology Tier 0 along with a Tier 0 being.
That is legitimately what I saying due to the Theory of Monad basically even though I not sure how a certain philosopher of the past will feel about the Theory of Monad being used to this extent.
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Ah the infamous misunderstood translations. The scan is basically saying the Root holds the "position" of "God." In nooby words, it is "God-level."
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Aoko: Huh, I didn't say? To get revenge on me and to touch the Root. You remember that talk about the Whirl of the Root, don't you?
Soujuurou: ....Was that the source of magecraft?
Aoko: Yes, and also our final objective. The Whirl of the Root is position where all knowledge is recorded, and all things are determined. If you can look, touch, understand it, even the word "impossible" can be remade. It has many names in legends, but it's basically the position where God is.
Soujuurou: By God, you don't mean the 8 million kami?
Aoko: It's because you say things like that sometimes that makes you troublesome. I mean, there are gods in every form, but I’m talking about the big underlying assumption that decided that.”
That is the quote from a novel named Mahoutsukai No Yoru
I added it to my outdated cosmology blog back then since it did seems important to take notes related to the Root and all
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I don’t think anyone can say it is “misunderstood” when it does outright say “Where God is” so I don’t think the Root holds the position of “God” as it is the opposite. Don’t even try to misinterpret the quote as you did here anyway.
Edit: Also here is the rest of that quote:
“Those who succeeded and those who failed touched it couldn't return to this world. Why they told people about the "Whirl of the Root" may have been the result of the very first person to have become God wanting companions out of loneliness.....Or maybe because their work on the other side was so massive they needed other companions.””
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Should add in a few more paragraphs to that quote. Anyway, it is not a scan, it is dialogue between two different people
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No.
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Whatever helps you sleep buddy
Don't have time to deal with this.
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Again, if you can provide any other translations, then you might make a point, but so far, I haven’t heard anything that is to the contrary. You can say otherwise, but it is what I found from my research into the Nasuverse’s cosmology especially since this is translated anywayWhatever names you sleep buddy
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Looks to be that most of the staff (except 2 i think) have accepted it
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The scan you are using is literally gotten from someone I know so no, it's not a translation problem. You just can't understand what Aoko is explaining. And I already explained it to you. Why would there be a God in the root? Do you understand what the root is at all?
I gotta sleep now. Don't bother me with your stuff anymore.
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Again what? You keep insisting this is a scan when this is a dialogue between two characters. You keep claiming otherwise, but that is simply not true as the quote I got came from this site.
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Also that doesn’t stop the fact at the end of their conversation, she brought up as if it was a person so again, that doesn’t disprove there is a being in the Root (There is a being in the root). The fact you keep overlooking that fact is just you denying it tbh, but, we have to see how this goes
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Dang, I've been found out.
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Ultima revision is most likely, the out ratio is literally there.
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i'm assuming the next thread is going to be about definitions and who scales where?
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Can someone explain high outer+?
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In short, a being that embodies the Cosmology itself. For example, God from Seekers is true one the reality beyond Creation. Creation itself, which is everything is, Maya, she's the embodiment of the illusion which is what God is dreaming of. Essentially, everything that's not teir 0.
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When you barely fail tier 0, basically. It's tier 0 without the proper "oneness" of it. If a tier 0 character made "everything" then that "everything" would be H 1-A+. More or less.
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what does modal realism got to do with it, as someone I know has problems with high outer+ using it
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if any cosmology can have Tier 0, then can any cosmology be High 1-A+?
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Afaik, yes
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In all seriousness, I don't know...(OR was i joking?)
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i have a copy of The White Light at home i can help make a profile on it
not done with reading it tho
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I know characters that nobody has listed yet, but I wouldn't consider them niche.
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List them
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The lowest interpretation or without any other context is simply Low 1-A. Modal Realism would have to fit the Cosmology and it's a possibility as a whole defining all aspects of possibility(possible worlds and impossible worlds) that came from Monad and not just an individualized possibility to get High 1-A+.
Honestly, we’ll just have to wait and see.
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Maybe once the tier 0 thread is concluded and once I have a draft the for the CRT. Should hopefully be the case in the next few weeks.
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but what are the characters, you don't have to explain why but i'm curious what others might apply
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Doubt it. High 1-A+ is specifically about the cosmology that can be made/embodied. It seems really hard to reach that if only a single universe exists.
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This makes me think tier 0 and H1A+ are not really that related.
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The next thread won't be about who scales where. It'll be about deciding how to alter other tiers, such as tier 11 and the rest of tier 1, and about how to reword instruction pages.
High 1-A+ is the space of things that a tier 0 being is theoretically able to create, so I'd say it's quite related.
It's just a bit tough to reach, since a tier 0 could happen to only create a single universe within a series, so scaling to a tier 0's creation wouldn't necessarily land you at High 1-A+.
Theoretically a good enough statement could have a character reach there without the cosmology supporting it, but I think you'd already need quite a bit support, since those sorts of statements (in the vein of modal realism and Type IV multiverses) could also simply land the character at Low 1-A/High 1-A.
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I will pay my child support if I will finally see a tier 0 character from Raildex
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The space of all possibilities or just what has been created?
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As long as I'll see new anime characters' faces in High 1-A tier except Ichiban characters, I'll wait for as much as it will take for the update to come upon these landsyou mean we have to wait even longer for this to be in effect?
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