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They're God at that point because they lose their individuality to be the whole(God). Maya will be consumed by Oblivion as the infinite Void preceded the illusion Goddess.
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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I have question about God family in dc how , thier high 1-A in new tiering system?
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This version of God doesn't have a family.
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i feel like thats not what he meant
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If he's talking about the Presence and the Archangels then, sure.
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I mean lucifer and Michael
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I can’t say, but there are ways to get them to that in the current revision. Hopefully, Ultima and I can come to some sort of an agreement on Vertigo cosmological positioning. Though, it’s best to ask Ultima.
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Ultima already addressed DKD having modal realism in this same thread
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SMT is unlikely to be Tier 0. It could still happen, all pieces technically fit but Ultima handles the Axiom as something that arises from humanity itself so more-so a conditioned reality in this context than it is unconditioned. Although everything else, again, fits
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I already went over Umineko with ultima. he disagrees with Tier 0 creators
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Wait he did ? What did he say ?
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I see. I mean I personally thought it wasn’t 0. It’d probably be closer to the first version of High 1-A+ rather than the High 1-A+ that encompasses all possibilitiesEssentially Logical Omnipotence will be in reference to intrinsic possibilities in the verse so if a verse has things that occur higher than "All logically possible worlds" then the logical omnipotence would just encompass a larger number of possibilities in such a context and the lower stuff would js be disregarded as a qualitative jump
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Ultima said no to High 1-A+ Akuto too lol
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High 1-A+ necessitates Tier 0 since High 1-A+ is just the collection of all possibilities that a tier 0 entity can accomplish
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Well frick me and then annihilate me . I thought DKD at least guaranteed some level of High 1-A+…
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So I’m a little confused on the new 1-A standards and I’ve seen people bring up quite a few characters/verses that I thought would just get locked out of 1-A by default, so I’ve got a question (sorry if it’s already been asked, I haven’t been keeping up with all 120 pages):
Is there any possible way for an originally below 1-A character to reach 1-A? For example via a new form, via a 1-A entity making that character “real” with their power, via some kind of other vague ascension into the 1-A structure, etc? Or is it literally impossible no matter what?
Is there any possible way for an originally below 1-A character to reach 1-A? For example via a new form, via a 1-A entity making that character “real” with their power, via some kind of other vague ascension into the 1-A structure, etc? Or is it literally impossible no matter what?
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Ghengiroo115
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Cool, good to know for future reference.Yeah, Non 1-A's can become 1-A through alternative means.Ultima Reality/i h
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No.
Yes.
No.
Pretty much the only way your getting a non-1-A to 1-A is if a 1-A entity causes it or if their soul/heart/essence whatever is naturally 1-A because of verse mechanics and they cast aside their non-1-A attributes to become fully 1-A, even using an ambient 1-A energy to ascend won't work because absorbing it counts as interaction which would be an anti-feat.
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My understanding is crude, but is that what happens when Seraph reaches Nirvana? Realizing how everything was once one, and in essence, everyone is connected. Stephen makes a comment about how humanity has the potential to surpass the axiom, and yet the axiom is the collective (subconscious?) will of humanity across the Amala-verse? There’s just a lot fingers pointing at the same idea. Eventually where the borders for a sense of individuality or self are erased. The world is me and I am the world (nirvana)?
So maybe not the axiom but something else implied?
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Creator try not to be tier 0 and not-tier 0 challenge (impossible)
Rakih_Elyan
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Newly upgraded 1-A peeps when they still getting soloed by a random Heaven Severing Ultimate Dao Immortal Venerable of the fourth step.
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Monad, in its totality, is the essence behind all things and beyond all distinctions. It’s also known as the highest aspect of “God” in its unknown and truest part. So Godhood seems to vary, but at its highest interpretation, I believe would be a more fitting title than Monadhood. After all, that “God” is part of everything including Monad.
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Beyond anything else, God has the small problem of being tied to a major religion which people already have their own ideas what it means. Not to mention that fiction itself is filled with beings called gods, some even directly modelled after God, but are not applicable of being a Monad.
Too much baggage basically, Monad's relative obscurness means it a much more fitting title in that aspect.
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Yeah, I thought it would be more fun to call 0 “Godhood/Godhead” than Monadhood. Obviously, I already knew of the problem at hand, and given DT's argument against Ultima, I can see why. However, something like “Divinity” sounds much cooler, for lack of better words. However, that also probably lacks practicality.
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Divinity is even worse, at least God/Godhood is generally going to have people think of the omnipotent Christian God, even if their idea of what God is does not fit being a Monad. Divinity you have stuff from religions from all across the world that are no where close to being a Monad. Never mind that fiction likes to turn Divinity into a form of energy or metaphysical force in their series that would make things more confusing.
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I think Unknownable/Ineffable seems like a stronger word for it because it's more holistic than Monad.
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And this is the major problem, this new Tier 0 is by it's very nature can't be described so we will just be doing what the philosophies of the ages have done and just give it a name that is good enough.
Problem is that as mentioned above is if we use an already popular name then any already existing opinions of those names will cause confusion when trying to explain. Second is if we use something like Ain Soph, Brahman, or Dao, then we appear to be playing favourites. While using stuff like indescribable, or unknowable gets us with people bringing up thesaurus' or directly quoting places where those words are used but not in a way that is sufficient for Tier 0.
Meanwhile Monad, while having issues, is obscure enough that most people won't have an opinion on it already, isn't used too often in fiction inappropriately so that characters who get called it while not being Tier 0 won't pop up too much, and is neutral enough that it doesn't appear to be playing favourites too much.
Problem is that as mentioned above is if we use an already popular name then any already existing opinions of those names will cause confusion when trying to explain. Second is if we use something like Ain Soph, Brahman, or Dao, then we appear to be playing favourites. While using stuff like indescribable, or unknowable gets us with people bringing up thesaurus' or directly quoting places where those words are used but not in a way that is sufficient for Tier 0.
Meanwhile Monad, while having issues, is obscure enough that most people won't have an opinion on it already, isn't used too often in fiction inappropriately so that characters who get called it while not being Tier 0 won't pop up too much, and is neutral enough that it doesn't appear to be playing favourites too much.
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I agree with the Admin above me. I just hope we can move on with High 1-A+, High 1-A, and 1-A quicker than we did with tier 0.
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Pretty sure we already did them. It's just waiting for the actual pages that will go on to the wiki at this point. Tier 0 just needed more work beyond the original thread because it was more complicated and important, with High 1-A+ being discussed because it was a new tier connected to Tier 0.
Low 1-A, 1-A, and High 1-A is just about the qualitative superiority stuff agreed to in the already accepted thread.
That works just looks uninviting in a way that Monad doesn't. Probably because Monad is shorter, does not contain a word we kinda understand already in "essential", and that "ra" just trips me up. It's like Superessential but isn't.
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Would that scale Toyota Supra to tier 0?
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I don't know if this is meant to be ironic but listen closely. So we know that 0 is kind of meant to illicit some sort of being/entity being transcendent beyond the entire hierarchy. Ultima usually refers to things like Adi-Buddha or Nirguna Brahman as things for Ultimate Reality being 0. His user is “Ultima_Reality” and that makes it pretty funny. I believe I see a superstition here.
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If you're talking to me then nah, that's just a silly joke
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bro scp is gone
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This may or may not be a joke but what does Backrooms have that makes them High 1-A+ ?
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