It's treated the same as any other namedrop of something in WoG.
Ah, this point is what I was most curious about. Thanks.
I forgot to make the Sandbox for Matteis’ Cosmology. I already placed Oblivion as High 1-A+(higher) and Maya as High 1-A+(lower). The Staff, Book, Nexus, Fallen Stars, and Lords of Shamballa are High 1-A. God as we know is 0. The dream layers are a 1-A hierarchy to me.
looks like imgur couldn't contain the scans of tier 0 beings,
ToAru mentioned!
Hm. I understand most of your decisions, but may I ask how Maya and Oblivion are both respectably High 1-A+ ?
They're God at that point because they lose their individuality to be the whole(God). Maya will be consumed by Oblivion as the infinite Void preceded the illusion Goddess.
I have question about God family in dc how , thier high 1-A in new tiering system?
This version of God doesn't have a family.
i feel like thats not what he meant
If he's talking about the Presence and the Archangels then, sure.
I mean lucifer and Michael
I can’t say, but there are ways to get them to that in the current revision. Hopefully, Ultima and I can come to some sort of an agreement on Vertigo cosmological positioning. Though, it’s best to ask Ultima.
Ultima already addressed DKD having modal realism in this same thread
SMT is unlikely to be Tier 0. It could still happen, all pieces technically fit but Ultima handles the Axiom as something that arises from humanity itself so more-so a conditioned reality in this context than it is unconditioned. Although everything else, again, fits
I already went over Umineko with ultima. he disagrees with Tier 0 creators
Wait he did ? What did he say ?
I see. I mean I personally thought it wasn’t 0. It’d probably be closer to the first version of High 1-A+ rather than the High 1-A+ that encompasses all possibilitiesEssentially Logical Omnipotence will be in reference to intrinsic possibilities in the verse so if a verse has things that occur higher than "All logically possible worlds" then the logical omnipotence would just encompass a larger number of possibilities in such a context and the lower stuff would js be disregarded as a qualitative jump
Ultima said no to High 1-A+ Akuto too lol
High 1-A+ necessitates Tier 0 since High 1-A+ is just the collection of all possibilities that a tier 0 entity can accomplish
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Cool, good to know for future reference.Yeah, Non 1-A's can become 1-A through alternative means.Ultima Reality/i h
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My understanding is crude, but is that what happens when Seraph reaches Nirvana? Realizing how everything was once one, and in essence, everyone is connected. Stephen makes a comment about how humanity has the potential to surpass the axiom, and yet the axiom is the collective (subconscious?) will of humanity across the Amala-verse? There’s just a lot fingers pointing at the same idea. Eventually where the borders for a sense of individuality or self are erased. The world is me and I am the world (nirvana)?
Creator try not to be tier 0 and not-tier 0 challenge (impossible)
Beyond anything else, God has the small problem of being tied to a major religion which people already have their own ideas what it means. Not to mention that fiction itself is filled with beings called gods, some even directly modelled after God, but are not applicable of being a Monad.
Yeah, I thought it would be more fun to call 0 “Godhood/Godhead” than Monadhood. Obviously, I already knew of the problem at hand, and given DT's argument against Ultima, I can see why. However, something like “Divinity” sounds much cooler, for lack of better words. However, that also probably lacks practicality.
Divinity is even worse, at least God/Godhood is generally going to have people think of the omnipotent Christian God, even if their idea of what God is does not fit being a Monad. Divinity you have stuff from religions from all across the world that are no where close to being a Monad. Never mind that fiction likes to turn Divinity into a form of energy or metaphysical force in their series that would make things more confusing.
I think Unknownable/Ineffable seems like a stronger word for it because it's more holistic than Monad.
Pretty sure we already did them. It's just waiting for the actual pages that will go on to the wiki at this point. Tier 0 just needed more work beyond the original thread because it was more complicated and important, with High 1-A+ being discussed because it was a new tier connected to Tier 0.
That works just looks uninviting in a way that Monad doesn't. Probably because Monad is shorter, does not contain a word we kinda understand already in "essential", and that "ra" just trips me up. It's like Superessential but isn't.
