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We used to have those.
Come again?
Nah, A system much more full of assumptions and doubts. He makes his system based on objective information based more on subjective philosophical interpretation, and this... is so unhealthy.
TBH he does sort of bring up a good point that fiction is not the same as nothingness although functionally they seem similar.
If Dt acts like pain who stonewalled the JTTW CRT to the point of stagnation. We'll likely be denied this masterpiece.
Lets just give DT a chance to speak out. It doesn't look like he had responded to the OP in full quite yet.
Personally, since Ultima cannot base its logic on any basis, this logic remains in the air and is very unsupported. Even what he does, he hypothetically adds dimensions that are not shown in the verse and do not exist. He claims that this is the quantitative and qualitative difference, but he goes beyond the boundaries of the verse.
Well, there is a question and answer session between them right now, but the main problems of DT are the reasons i wrote above(for now)... Of course, there is more, i think they will talk about all of these later and it will be a discussion that will last month
Power scaling as a whole is..............subjective and unhealthy, so the current system isn't any better
What assumptions and doubts are you concerned about?
At least there is a system, such as mathematics, that is based on objective information that everyone accepts as the same globally. That's why there is no confusion
Fiction can indeed be equivalated to being nothingness.
What you said nuked what you already said here, man. This minimizes the rate of inaccuracy.
So can I ask why you think this way? What is it that moves you away from the globally accepted system, and its basis?
This system is more like "only the number 2 is shown in the verse, but I should default to all in the quality" and fails to base it on that. Thats the problem.
Math isn't objective either, anything beyond infinity is just a mathematical concepts, ideas, theories that no different than philosophical thoughts. Theories being revised all days so no, they aren't objective
I think Ultima explains adequately that it doesn't work to have a character be "+1 dimensions" when the character doesn't belong to the category of dimensions but is still superior.
This completely depends on what you believe is inaccurate.
I thought I explained it pretty simply there. I think it's pretty reasonable for me to look at verses that literally spell out "I'm beyond math, dimensional hierarchies, logic, etc" and then say that us trying to quantify them within dimensionality is a pretty dumb thing to do if you're trying to be a reasonable power scaler, and not just trying to maintain consistency within a given tiering system.
Even though "1+1=2" is accepted by everyone globally, it came from philosophy, right? In fact, philosophy is the ancestor of almost all branches of science, but it is not based on any proven basis, it is personal and can be interpreted differently by everyone, which causes trouble. That's why thinkers generally have different mindsets, and a solid foundation is needed to gather these different mindsets on a common ground. If this doesn't exist, these can't go much further than just "logical but unsupported" arguments. This is how the first steps of science took place
That is sorta right, there's only two branches of representations that fall under concrete being physical: actions and models, and Contextual: applying math to real world situations. While most of anything tier 2 and onwards objectively uses the latter of verbal and symbolic representations of Mathematics
But, a concept, a structure of thought or any metaphysical element is still limited only to the dimension shown in the verse.
Even when you say "beyond mathematics", you are actually still including mathematics. But, you only cover the mathematics shown in the verse, when you say "I am beyond all concepts of dimensions", you also include all theoretical dimensions, but even so, even the thought structure of these theoretical dimensions is limited only to the dimensionality shown in the verse (I have already mentioned it more or less above)
I think that a R/F layer should be tiered higher than any dimensional difference, because it trivializes the base existence more.
I like DT's argument about transduality. Transduality is indeed transcend reality and fiction from it very nature
Well fiction and lower dimensional have some same atribute and same substansial if you brought that to physical reality. Basically fiction is abstract information compare to the physical world, and lower dimensional such as 2D 1D 0D is literally abstract math abstract geometric compare to physical world. They two not really exist in physical sense, they exist just as abstract concept. Making fiction is -1 dimensional is not really a false assumption, even if the two abstraction is different
No their entire thing is the weirdly made up "Icarcus set" which is the "highest" anything can be, so ofc, they just arbitrarily say their strongest verses scale to it.
