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Like, High 1-C or above, then.
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Needs to specifically involve the technical terminology necessary to get to those tiers. So, for instance, High 1-A+ would need to decently expound on logical possibilities and related concepts. And even then the context would need to be pretty exact, since people aren't always using these words in their technical sense (Case in point)
There probably are a fair few Low 1-C characters who are becoming 1-A.
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Most being those who have BDE and RFT
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Is this 1A feat a higher level,dimensional thier only characters that transcerd dimensions live
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here we go again the tiktok wanks are coming
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I heard through the grapevine that this includes the Endless?
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This has probably been asked and answered before, but I am aware that QS isn't strictly limited to R>F, but were the requirements for it laid out in detail somewhere? I am wary of "QS vibe checks" with no evidence like what happened with that GoW Athena thing.
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Why is no one helping 
is it because what am saying is correct
is it because what am saying is correct
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Part of it was also given in the new Beyond-Dimensional Existence page. The example being that if a realm/character/whatever is aspatial and atemporal and yet simultaneously shown to dwarf normal reality by some size analogue (The Void from Lucifer is probably one of the best examples), it fits the bill.
Generally, "transcends," "beyond," etc, etc is phrasing that won't necessarily qualify you for it, too. Verbal explanations in general have this tricky aspect to them, since there's a lot of impressive-sounding-to-the-battleboarding-mind descriptions that can reasonably be satisfied by Type 1 BDE as well at the end of the day. Not saying this kind of stuff can't ever qualify on its own, of course, but there's this little caveat.
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What about statements like space beneath/beyond space or unspace/untime?
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I know like 3 low 1-C characters who will be getting tier 0 lol
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I don't see how anything that is a monad would only be 5D or 6D right how. What characters?
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Only one I know is Eru.
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Vasudev, a noble and Devaki, the princess of Mathura had just been married. As they were about to leave for Vasudev's home, Kamsa, Devaki's corrupted brother decided to drive their chariot. Just then, a divine voice announced that the eighth child of Devaki would be the one to kill Kamsa. Evil...
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Shiva (Devo ke Dev Mahadev)
Shiva (also called Mahadev) is a character from a TV show called Devo ke Dev Mahadev whose plot revolves around the life of Hindu God Lord Shiva. Mahadev is described as the Supreme deity of whole existence with everything just being a part of him. He can be perceived in infinite forms and...
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Mahaganapati (Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha)
Mahaganapati is a supreme deity in Television show named Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha. He's Parabrahman, Paramatman and Parameshvara who is the energy that has created each and everything in the existence and the one inside who all will lost at doomsday. All existence dwells inside him, he is Shiv...
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I mean some of the requirements for 0 for some characters are based on Hindiusm to those who scale to Brahman.Krishna (Shree Krishna TV show)
Vasudev, a noble and Devaki, the princess of Mathura had just been married. As they were about to leave for Vasudev's home, Kamsa, Devaki's corrupted brother decided to drive their chariot. Just then, a divine voice announced that the eighth child of Devaki would be the one to kill Kamsa. Evil...Shiva (Devo ke Dev Mahadev)
Shiva (also called Mahadev) is a character from a TV show called Devo ke Dev Mahadev whose plot revolves around the life of Hindu God Lord Shiva. Mahadev is described as the Supreme deity of whole existence with everything just being a part of him. He can be perceived in infinite forms and...Mahaganapati (Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha)
Mahaganapati is a supreme deity in Television show named Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha. He's Parabrahman, Paramatman and Parameshvara who is the energy that has created each and everything in the existence and the one inside who all will lost at doomsday. All existence dwells inside him, he is Shiv...
there seems to be a trend
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This is the funniest outcome. Please find more of these.Krishna (Shree Krishna TV show)
Vasudev, a noble and Devaki, the princess of Mathura had just been married. As they were about to leave for Vasudev's home, Kamsa, Devaki's corrupted brother decided to drive their chariot. Just then, a divine voice announced that the eighth child of Devaki would be the one to kill Kamsa. Evil...Shiva (Devo ke Dev Mahadev)
Shiva (also called Mahadev) is a character from a TV show called Devo ke Dev Mahadev whose plot revolves around the life of Hindu God Lord Shiva. Mahadev is described as the Supreme deity of whole existence with everything just being a part of him. He can be perceived in infinite forms and...Mahaganapati (Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha)
Mahaganapati is a supreme deity in Television show named Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha. He's Parabrahman, Paramatman and Parameshvara who is the energy that has created each and everything in the existence and the one inside who all will lost at doomsday. All existence dwells inside him, he is Shiv...
there seems to be a trend
This feels like it shouldn't be the answer, since Type 2 BDE and QS are separate things (hence why the former, by default, gets Low 1-A, while the latter gets 1-A).
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type 2 BDE is also given to QS it's just specific transcendent voids tend to be on the more ontological superiority side of things
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What I'm curious about is whether significantly affecting a BDE 1 realm is quantifiable at all, and in if it is, in what circumstances it would be.
After all, even if such realms don't have space and time, if they contain within them beings that are are neither Tier 11 nor Tier 1, that means that they must contain elements that are measurable in some regard (at the very least, the energy said beings use to exert force over material reality).
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Mother Night (Vertigo)
Mother Night is a cosmic being from DC Comics/Vertigo, being the embodiement of the absolute emptiness that predates creation. Introduced in The Sandman: Overture, she is the mother of The Endless. Tier: High 1-A Name: Mother Night Origin: DC Comics/Vertigo Gender: Inapplicable, though both...
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This profile is a perfect example of a being that completely lacks dimensions and fits both notions of BDE(1&2) and also has QS over all versions of Creation.
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Yeah, but that's sorta my point.
All QS is Type 2 BDE, but not all Type 2 BDE is QS.
So the standards for QS should not be on the BDE page.
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I just knew someone would bring up these three.Krishna (Shree Krishna TV show)
Vasudev, a noble and Devaki, the princess of Mathura had just been married. As they were about to leave for Vasudev's home, Kamsa, Devaki's corrupted brother decided to drive their chariot. Just then, a divine voice announced that the eighth child of Devaki would be the one to kill Kamsa. Evil...Shiva (Devo ke Dev Mahadev)
Shiva (also called Mahadev) is a character from a TV show called Devo ke Dev Mahadev whose plot revolves around the life of Hindu God Lord Shiva. Mahadev is described as the Supreme deity of whole existence with everything just being a part of him. He can be perceived in infinite forms and...Mahaganapati (Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha)
Mahaganapati is a supreme deity in Television show named Vighnaharta Shree Ganesha. He's Parabrahman, Paramatman and Parameshvara who is the energy that has created each and everything in the existence and the one inside who all will lost at doomsday. All existence dwells inside him, he is Shiv...
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And who could forget about this guy;
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By what virtue does she have QS?Mother Night (Vertigo)
Mother Night is a cosmic being from DC Comics/Vertigo, being the embodiement of the absolute emptiness that predates creation. Introduced in The Sandman: Overture, she is the mother of The Endless. Tier: High 1-A Name: Mother Night Origin: DC Comics/Vertigo Gender: Inapplicable, though both...
This profile is a perfect example of a being that completely lacks dimensions and fits both notions of BDE(1&2) and also has QS over all versions of Creation.
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Happy to discuss that in the main thread. Ordinarily, I'd agree, but this bit of information seemed to be way too tightly bound-up with something that falls under the general concept of BDE to not note it down on that page. If nothing else, I'd feature it both in it and in the generic pages (FAQ, Tiering System).
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She's the absolute emptiness that preceded all versions of Creation and sees all the worlds as nothing but twinkles of light. Her partner Time can see the time of all Creation even the one Morpheus restored or the version where Daniel Hall is the reincarnation of the Dream as one single continuum and looks upon them as nothing but tarot cards. Night, by definition, is the quasi-equivalent of Lucifer's “Void” no amount of material and volume can match, fill, or even amount to anything to it.
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Lmao
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Nah, you'll be surprised it'll get 1-a. Trust me bro.
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If Fire Force couldn't get R > F or qualitative superiority in the old system, there's very little chance of getting it in the new one
There might be a scant few verses that are Tier 1 in the new system that weren't in the old, but largely the upgrades are only gonna happen for characters that are already Low 1-C or higher
There might be a scant few verses that are Tier 1 in the new system that weren't in the old, but largely the upgrades are only gonna happen for characters that are already Low 1-C or higher
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I, and by I mean a friend named Daniel has come into contact with Atsushi Ohkub, and I think we stand a good chance.
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If by that you mean you're gonna ask a bunch of leading questions he has no context for, that's been tried and failed when it comes to about a bajillion verses.
Plus, the underlying problem is that anti-feats are very hard to dismiss in the new system unless the work is otherwise highly consistent with the basic traits of qualitative superiority.
Plus, the underlying problem is that anti-feats are very hard to dismiss in the new system unless the work is otherwise highly consistent with the basic traits of qualitative superiority.
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No, more like having an in-depth explanation for the concept of adola and such.
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Ohkubo probably said everything he wanted to say about Adolla in the manga itself. You're trying to get him to cough up the very specific information that would grant 1-A, and he's probably just going to say the first thing that pops up in his head, cause it's evidently something he doesn't consider important enough to deliberate on before answering. That's the crux of why WoG is only acceptable if it isn't being asked with powerscaling intentions.
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Curious, how long until you think you can apply your revisions?
Seems like basically everyone agrees asides from the minor issues Agnaa has/had
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There's no way to know that until the discussion with Agnaa reaches a conclusion.
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Real quick question. May sound stupid, but I wanna ask it anyway
If a character is tier 0, can it still contact with lesser beings?
If a character is tier 0, can it still contact with lesser beings?
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metric or imperial?
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Bruh all existence is thier body.
But it can with avaters
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