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LotR is 5-D due to qualitative superiority over the main universe.I don't think that's what Ultima is proposing.
LOTR stays unimpacted by this.
Textbook R>F
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LotR is 5-D due to qualitative superiority over the main universe.I don't think that's what Ultima is proposing.
LOTR stays unimpacted by this.
I know.LotR is 5-D due to qualitative superiority over the main universe.
Pretty sure it would qualify for 1-A due to R>FI know.
Well, i see that a lot of people think you only need one R>F difference to reach 1-A but i'm pretty sure that's not what Ultima is talking about at all. If anything, it would be even harder to get 1-A now. Low 2-C up to High 1-B stays the same.Pretty sure it would qualify for 1-A due to R>F
Qualitative superiority would automatically be 1-A. R>F is qualitative superiority so yes only one R>F difference would be 1-A.Well, i see that a lot of people think you only need one R>F difference to reach 1-A but i'm pretty sure that's not what Ultima is talking about at all. If anything, it would be even harder to get 1-A now. Low 2-C up to High 1-B stays the same.
No it won't.Qualitative superiority would automatically be 1-A. R>F is qualitative superiority so yes only one R>F difference would be 1-A.
From what I read it is one layer of R>F that gets you to 1-A. Quantitative is High 1-B.Well, i see that a lot of people think you only need one R>F difference to reach 1-A but i'm pretty sure that's not what Ultima is talking about at all. If anything, it would be even harder to get 1-A now. Low 2-C up to High 1-B stays the same.
Forgot High 1-B but otherwise lol
Did you even read his postNo it won't.
Did you?Did you even read his post![]()
Don't gaslight me bud.Did you?
Or did you misunderstand it?
That is to say: Dimensional jumps and differences in cardinality would simply all peak at High 1-B, with perhaps a High 1-B+ tier for infinite-dimensional spaces that are larger than countably infinite dimensions. Meanwhile, strictly qualitative superiorities, such as Reality-Fiction Transcendences, transcendences over dimensionality, and etc. would land at 1-A.
I dont know the relevance of that with my argument. But that not matter it not exist physically, it exist mentally in imagination, therefore it not nonexist at allFor example, you imagined yourself eating pineapple on pizza. Does that mean you ate pineapple on pizza?
It doesn't need to. Because any number of dimensions is generalized to be the same thing because they really are. If someone is beyond dimensions as a concept, Ultima isn't assuming that this universe with 5 physical dimensions has infinite others it has to transcend, it's just that it transcends dimensions as a physical extension. If we assume this is 6th-dimensional, then by pure logic we can say it's not really beyond dimensions, because we are just saying it becomes something akin to 6th-dimensional, when it goes against its quality. Giving something beyond a logical hierarchy something that is only an extension of said hierarchy is the same as saying it's not beyond that logical hierarchy, which is Ultima's point.This is where I disagreed with Ultima because the dimensions that the verse shows us are what we actually have and here we can call "the quality of dimensions", because in the verse, the existence of other dimensions (higher dimensions) has never been shown to us and it would be very unhealthy to "assume" that they exist when their existence is not known. .
Does not exist physically dont mean it literally nonexistence. Ultima based his assumption on empty set, where is only 0 there are no more that is equal to nonexistence he say.Fiction is something that our brain tricks us into thinking is there but when you think about it, it's not. The brain is piecing together a variety of real information to make up something that does not exist. A comic page is in reality paint, words and paper not actual characters seen inside. From a 3-D model, 2-D space would only have a value of zero in Height/Depth. Fiction would have a value of zero in all three aspects of length, width and height/depth.
OVER A DIMENSIONALITY. Can you read.Don't gaslight me bud.
Transcendence over dimensionality and R>F are treated as two separate instances of transcendences that also achieve essentially the same result that qualifies for 1-A.OVER A DIMENSIONALITY. Can you read.
Not that it literally jumps f*cking 10 tiers. Lol
Meanwhile, strictly qualitative superiorities, such as Reality-Fiction Transcendences, transcendences over dimensionality, and etc. would land at 1-A.OVER A DIMENSIONALITY. Can you read.
Not that it literally jumps f*cking 10 tiers. Lol
What are you talking about blud, do you seriously think Ultima will let most characters get 1-A tiers only due to one R>F transcendence?Transcendence over dimensionality and R>F are treated as two separate instances of transcendences that also achieve essentially the same result that qualifies for 1-A.
It's separated by a comma to indicate separate stuff which would qualify for 1-A under his system.
What are you talking about blud, do you seriously think Ultima will let most characters get 1-A tiers only due to one R>F transcendence?
At the moment, that's what he's written. He might clear it up more, but he said he valued R>F highly.What are you talking about blud, do you seriously think Ultima will let most characters get 1-A tiers only due to one R>F transcendence?
Accelerator and the entirety manifold be like:Math characters crying right now![]()
Qualifications for R>F is gonna be tighter for sure, but those that qualify should get there.bruh watch people try upgrading their favorite verses to 1-A and fail horribly
I don't think it really needs to be expanded unless it's shown in the verse that it can be expanded. I have already written my reasons above, in fact there are more reasons, but the system they are trying to implement is like forcibly loading 100 kilograms onto a 50 kilogram vehicle.It doesn't need to. Because any number of dimensions is generalized to be the same thing because they really are. If someone is beyond dimensions as a concept, Ultima isn't assuming that this universe with 5 physical dimensions has infinite others it has to transcend, it's just that it transcends dimensions as a physical extension. If we assume this is 6th-dimensional, then by pure logic we can say it's not really beyond dimensions, because we are just saying it becomes something akin to 6th-dimensional, when it goes against its quality. Giving something beyond a logical hierarchy something that is only an extension of said hierarchy is the same as saying it's not beyond that logical hierarchy, which is Ultima's point.
There are nuances to this, of course. There are a lot of franchises that do what I like to call "false metaphysics", which is when instead of something truly metaphysical, it's only an unknown extent of what is physical. Any work that puts stuff like Platonic forms with higher dimensions (Such as Morrison's DC works or all those religions that use pseudo-science to say stuff like "angels live in the 5th dimension" are like that). For those cases, they of course are just an extension of the physical instead of something truly metaphyisical, and Ultima isn't requesting to change that. He merely requests that works that don't use that kind of logic are forced to do so when that logic doesn't work when pushed to its most logical consequence.
In the end, it's not something focused on just pushing high tiers to any metaphysics reference or r>f usage, even though a lot of people looking forward to that thread just want an excuse to make a CRT giving their favorite verses 1-A ranting. It's merely about accepting a logical consequence of the nature of metaphysical and qualitative superiority to give a more faithful representation of works that do that kind of stuff.
Basically, think of it like saying that when Proclus explained infinite and eternity he was just saying stuff like "adding one higher dimension", when doing that would only expand the physical representation of what he wanted to transcend, instead of just giving the transcendence he was implying. In the end, it doesn't matter how complex any given physical system is, they are still physical and bounded by that logical hierarchy.
bruh watch people try upgrading their favorite verses to 1-A and fail horribly
I'm nervous, if my Xenosaga cosmology revision becomes 1-A instead of 1-B because of this qualitative change and need more scrutiny, it might take months to finish.bruh watch people try upgrading their favorite verses to 1-A and fail horribly
10+ CRTs within the first day of the thread passesbruh watch people try upgrading their favorite verses to 1-A and fail horribly
So this is like Logic inductive vs empirical statistic ?But to do this is to go beyond the dimensions that the verse shows us. This is where I disagreed with Ultima because the dimensions that the verse shows us are what we actually have and here we can call "the quality of dimensions", because in the verse, the existence of other dimensions (higher dimensions) has never been shown to us and it would be very unhealthy to "assume" that they exist when their existence is not known. .
The simplest example of this is the way we follow in the concepts of dimension. "All dimension concepts" are limited to what is shown in the verse, because more dimensions that can be included in this concept are not shown to us in the verse.
And from this point on, all theoretical dimensions that we will think and model will still be limited to the dimension shown in cosmology and will be modeled within that cosmology and limited there.
we humans can only model 4-dimensional or higher-dimensional cubes in the 3rd dimension, within the boundaries of the 3rd dimension.
I still think this way. I prefer to walk on a safe path that I know, rather than on a path that I don't know and assume.
WoD does not depend on Mathematics.So, there will be quite a few verses that will be downgraded, SRE, maybe WOD, Unsong, Manifold and basically all verses that currently depend on mathematics.
Oh no i know, i meant some certain aspects maybe.WoD does not depend on Mathematics.
Almost the entire thing is Theologically based and Redpilled, Mathematics only really comes in because Technocrats exist and a bunch of other scientific stuff is thrown in for good measure
The Commoner's Thread
Btw can i make commoners thread for immeasurable speed topics ? or such thread already exist ?Ah, so this is where the peasants spend their hours of luxury. How indubitably boorish. sips from Vs Battles brand champagne glass with British intent