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wait a sec, this still not finished ??
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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IdiosyncraticLawyer
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I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped trying to make staff discussions at the moment. There's literally hundreds of threads in the backlog, and I only managed to start earnestly making a dent in them this week and wouldn't want you to add more to the pile.
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Cheers. I'll take a look.
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Actually i want to make immeasurable speed thread on general discussion for chit-chat and other repetitive stuff. Not on staff discussion Unless i misunderstand your comment.
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Magicomethkuon
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I'm confused, are you trying to say Dimensional Tiering or the user
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Let em cook
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If every verse that is currently Low 1-C to High 1-B is getting upgraded to 1-A, then we’re pretty much losing a lot of match potential considering the ban on 1-A matches for their varying layers.
Though, I’m not knowledgeable on tier 1 sooo…
Though, I’m not knowledgeable on tier 1 sooo…
Udlmaster
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Nah, nothing changes.
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Both
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Geez, from my experience with megaten matches it only takes one layer above baseline 1-A to make a match fly south into stomp territory. And guessing a verse's layers is like paying taxes, your just expected to just know off the profile alone.
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make math cap at High 2-A remove low 1-C to high 1-b altogether and make 1-A and above stayFacts cap the tiering system at 2 A instead
IdiosyncraticLawyer
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The ban on 1-A and 0 matches was removed long ago.
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Facts cap the tiering system at 2 A instead
Flowman777
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How will the outcome of the thread be decided? By vote count, Antvasima's decision, or another option?
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Depends how many staff votes does it get.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Can DT veto this? Because it seems to have nearly unanimous agreement so far, to the point where I think DT is the only staff member actively disagreeing (could be wrong though).
Georredannea15
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Qawsedf also disagreed. And I think only DeagonX, DarkGrath and Planck were agreed (I don't know what Executor was thinking, he was kind of in the middle I guess)
Hasty12345
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The worst part about this not being accepted is that Ultima had thoroughly discredited the current system, working within a broken system doesn’t sit right with me.
So I hope some changes come as a result of this
So I hope some changes come as a result of this
Magicomethkuon
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Nothing is perfect. If it fails, change can still happen because now everyone is thinking about it.
Georredannea15
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I agree, I think R>F is just a state of being rather than a power and I don't think it should affect AP. As for this thread... It contains a lot of assumptions and doubts.
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IdiosyncraticLawyer
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I consider that a bit too radical for this revision. I'll look towards handling this with the other staff later.
Magicomethkuon
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Amour propre good
Georredannea15
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Savior man
Vietthai96
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There is also his plan to unfuck tier 2 iirc
Ovy7
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SRE also has r>f layers (an infinite hierarchy iirc).
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Yes but it's math based.
Ovy7
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It's both math and metafictional based, tho from what I remember from Ultima's post this might cause problem for the verse remaining tier 0, but might also don't... we'll see
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Ultima pushing CSAP agenda, holy hell
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A lot of people on CSAP are heavily opposed to the idea of R>F.
Udlmaster
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CSAP is more entrenched into set theory/math tiering than this place is.
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I thought CSAP has math at High 1-B at peak.
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