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I disagree with the upgrade since there's no actual substantial proof that would back up what is claimed here
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And i responded to them so i should be the one going 'again with the physical destruction ?'.Ultima Reality said:Again with the "non-physical" argument? This was already addressed multiple times in the previous thread, both by me and by other users. Also, to answer this:
And how would you affect these spatialy disconnected realms if not by affecting the only thing linking them, AKA the spacetime continuum ?
The shockwaves of their attacks were reaching into said realms, thus making it a feat of range. It's as simple as that. Space-Time doesn't have to be involved in any way, and it is up to you to prove it has to. You all are basically pulling a reversal of the burden of proof and taking your arguments as already being valid from the start without any elaboration, from what I've seen.
Read the previous thread, both of Toriyama maps prove that the Kaioshin realm is seperated.AshenCrow777 said:I disagree with the upgrade since there's no actual substantial proof that would back up what is claimed here
What's the point of even allowing anyone except the staff to use any threads at this point then ? just make everything staff only if only what they say matter, it will stop non-staff members from wasting their time.Antvasima said:Look, this revision is apparently not going to happen, and is exhausting the time and energy of our staff members. It should preferably be closed.
I don't like that, I mean, the supporters still have arguments to offer and a revision shouldn't be closed like that unless it's 100% conclusive. Just my two cents, I am kinda neutral on this Btw.Antvasima said:Look, this revision is apparently not going to happen, and is exhausting the time and energy of our staff members. It should preferably be closed.
Okay then.Sera EX said:It's best to clear it up though. Otherwise it'll just be repackaged as a new thread with different wording.
The staff have mostly been chosen largely because of their comparatively high abilities to stay unbiased and rational during evaluations, even if they really like a certain verse.Dragomer said:What's the point of even allowing anyone except the staff to use any threads at this point then ? just make everything staff only if only what they say matter, it will stop non-staff members from wasting their time.
Heaven and Hell are not universe sized. They are within Universe 7.Joshku1788 said:Mortal universe, heaven and hell all universe sized would have all been destroyed by the clashes. That's gives me reason to believe that God Goku is low 2-C. Infinite Zamasu is 2-C. Goku and Vegeta from the TOP are above infinite zamasu.
Yes, it is, because it mean that what is being destroyed is the space time, the shockwave didn't freaking surf on the space time for no reason when it would have been easier to just say it only affected the mortal universe of what the writers wanted to portray was a 3-A feat.Sera EX said:Shockwaves traveling across 4D to destroy many spatially disconnected 3-D worlds is not Low 2-C. There's no evidence the fourth dimension was threatened.
We both know that a large ammount of people wouldn't call quite a few staff members 'unbiased' and 'rational' and at least one staff members is known to start shit and bait people.Antvasima said:The staff have mostly been chosen because of their comparatively high abilities to stay unbiased and rational during evaluations, even if they really like a certain verse.Dragomer said:What's the point of even allowing anyone except the staff to use any threads at this point then ? just make everything staff only if only what they say matter, it will stop non-staff members from wasting their time.
Part of their task in this wiki is to try to evaluate the suggestions and arguments of regular members as well as they can, and then clear or reject revisions.
This is an absolute necessity for keeping our character statistics at least somewhat reliable, and not simply rated by, for example, finding a large group of fans who all gang up to push for unreasonable upgrades en masse.
They didn't explain, they presented their own stuff and i responded to it, you can't just take an argument you like and declare it true just because you didn't like the counter argument.Sera EX said:Also, as Pritti and Yumi already explained with facts and evidence. The characters even say that the entire cosmos (cosmos, not time-space) was threatened.
And i'm telling you that it isn't wrong, as i'v litteraly copy pasted how Low 2-C is defined on the tier page, Low 2-C is destroying 1 space time, the BOG feat is destroying one universe, leaving the question of HOW they are destroying the universe and it can only be by destroying the space time since it need to affect space time to reach the kaioshin realm and destroy the souls.Ultima Reality said:@Dragomer
You didn't, my second post was a response to your arguments, which basically revolve around "The Afterlife and the Kaioshin Realm are not physical and were going to be destroyed by Goku and Beerus. 3-A involves physical destruction. Therefore their feat cannot be 3-A", which is straight up wrong for reasons I've already made clear time and time again: 3-A doesn't need to involve physical destruction in the first place, and has more to do with the size of the area which you are affecting, and the very same principle applies to Low 2-C and ever tier that comes after it.
Again, it can perfectly be considered a range feat which was demonstrated in this scene, it's far less of a stretch than saying that the shockwaves were going to destroy space-time itself or something like that. Even then, this argument just comes off as self-defeating, since you are basically saying Goku and Beerus can't affect the whole space-time continuum with their attacks here, yet this whole thread is about upgrading them to Low 2-C based on their feat supposedly affecting... the whole space-time continuum due to the existence of the other realms. Do you see the disconnect here?
You are, though. What this thread is doing consists of presenting two options regarding the feat, dismissing one of them as automatically invalid (even though several users disagree with it) and pushing the other one as the only possible take on the scene, then stating the people disagreeing with such have to prove it is invalid, when it should be the contrary: You should be the done arguing for its validity, while the statistics present in the pages themselves are assumed to be in the right.
They are their own dimensions, no being could get there without teleportation, or actually being killed.Joshku1788 said:Heaven and Hell are not universe sized. They are within Universe 7.
I never said they said the space time continuum was being threatened, i said that they said the universe was being threatened and mentionned in passing that going by a blog that had a screen shot of a japanese dictionary, it also fit nicely with the definition of universe in the japanese dictionary.Pritti said:@Dragomer
Oh, but I did. They never say time-space was being threatened. In order for Zenuchuu statements to be considered Low 2-C there needs to be a statement regarding either Jikan (time) or Jikuu (time-space). You have provided no evidence for that.
And what else would be destroyed in an universal destruction that litteraly has to go through the space time continuum to affect some of the space it need to destroy while needing to destroy space time to kill some of the beings it would kill (the souls) ?Sera EX said:If the space time continuum wasn't threatened it's not a Low 2-C feat.
"Surfing time."Akreious said:So what the against people are saying that the waves magically get NPI after surfing time itself to reach their dimension before destroying them? Do you realize how ludicrous this sounds?