The Anti-Monitor & the Monitor

[Elizio33]

It's been awhile now i'm wondering on if the Monitor and base Anti-Monitor should be 2-A and have Abstract Existence on their profile for some reasons.

• The Monitor is linked to all positive matter and they flows through him, given him his powers.

• The Batman who Laughs stated that the Monitor is one of the most powerful being in the multiverse.

• The more positive matter universes was destroyed by the Anti-Monitor, the more his brother grow weaker.

• The Anti-Monitor has stolen the strength of his brother.

• Like his brother, the Anti-Monitor is tied to all antimatter.

• In a alternate timeline which the Anti-Monitor wo, the Anti-Monitor was more powerful due to the balance of matter and anti matter favoring the Anti-Monitor as he's tied to all antimatter.

• The more his antimatter expands throughout the multiverse, the more Anti-Monitor becomes stronger.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Seems like very good scans.

 

[Elizio33]

@Matthew

Are you agree that the Monitor and base Anti-Monitor should be 2-A and have Abstract Existence?

 

[Enzo3354]

I do

 

[Elizhaa]

@Matthew
Are you agree that the Monitor and base Anti-Monitor should be 2-A and have Abstract Existence?

Yes and abstract existence looks to be Type 3 here

 

[Dark649]

These are fine.

 

[Elizio33]

@Matthew Schroeder, @Nedge1000, @Enzo3354 and @Dark649

Thank you very much for the input! Since they powers levels depend on the balance between matter and antimatter, should they have Empowerment on their profile?

So, 2-A for The Monitor & base Anti-Monitor and Abstract Existence (Type 3)

 

[Antvasima]

Here are some people that you can ask for input via their message walls: Matthew Schroeder, Sandman31, Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot, Hykuu, Shivansh Garg, KLOL506, and Nether nine

 

[KLOL506]

Impressive scans indeed.

But then Pre-Crisis Superman's tier will have to be looked at too.

 

[KLOL506]

And I haven't been exactly brushing up on Rebirth scans or CoIE so I will leave this to the veteran experts like Sandman and Hykuu.

 

[KLOL506]

But Abstract Existence (Type 3) seems fine to me.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Supergirl fighting the Anti-Monitor and Harbinger killing the Monitor have to be considered as outliers.

 

[Hykuu]

This seems fine

I'd also like to add how in the brainiac profile, God Brainiac has type 4 Immortality for being a monitor level being (which showed anti monitor in that scan) Yet, for some reason the AM doesn't have type 4?

 

[Elizhaa]

This seems fine
I'd also like to add how in the brainiac profile, God Brainiac has type 4 Immortality for being a monitor level being (which showed anti monitor in that scan) Yet, for some reason the AM doesn't have type 4?

type 4 Immortality went to revision; it is no longer associated with being a deity. Brainiac should lose his.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2125621

 

[Antvasima]

I would like Matthew, Sandman31, and Azathoth to clarify what they think.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Seems good

Also Mathew is ready here

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think it seems fine but we can't use Supergirl fighting a weakened Anti-Monitor as evidence anymore.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, we have to adjust the Superman (Pre-Crisis) and Supergirl (Pre-Crisis) profiles as well.

What should we state as justifications for the Monitor's and Anti-Monitor's new ratings?

 

[Elizio33]

The justification for The Monitor could be "The Monitor is tied to an infinite number of positive matter universes within the multiverse and possess their powers"

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe "The Monitor was empowered by an infinite number of positive matter universes within the multiverse." sounds better, although I am not sure if it is enough of a justification for our visitors.

 

[Hykuu]

Oh anti monitor should have things like BFR and Power null but I'll make a thread for that later

 

[Elizio33]

Maybe "The Monitor was empowered by an infinite number of positive matter universes within the multiverse." sounds better, although I am not sure if it is enough of a justification for our visitors.

And what about "The Monitor is empowered by an infinite number of positive matter universes within the multiverse and their powers flows throught him." The visitors will understand that the power of an infinite number of universes flows throught him. And we should add "The Monitor is linked to every positive matter universes within the multiverse and destroying these universes will weaken him" as weakness.

 

[Elizio33]

Oh anti monitor should have things like BFR and Power null but I'll make a thread for that later

The Anti-Monitor has already BFR on his profile.

 

[Elizio33]

Are you agree if the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor have Empowerment on their profile?

 

[Antvasima]

Empowerment seems fine. I will unlock the two profiles so you can edit them. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Elizio33]

Okay. Just to know, i add only the Empowerment on their profile or i also upgrade them to 2-A?

 

[Antvasima]

Both, and remember to add links to the relevant scans as evidence.

 

[Elizio33]

A second key should be added on Anti-Monitor's profile when he was "At the dawn of time".

• He absorbed the energy of the antimatter universe into himself.

• He absorbed the life force of all heroes into himself.

• Fought the Spectre who was amplified by the earth's most powerful sorcerer including a YZ Thunderbolt, a five dimensional imp.

QWSP explains how YZ and LKZ are Princes of the 5th Dimension

https://imgur.com/LPO0XdT

https://imgur.com/GGpnlgm

Some scans from JLA Crisis Times Five where YZ fights other 5th Dimensional beings like LKZ and QWSP, and he wins

https://imgur.com/a/vpy4tJM

This key should be High 2-A At the dawn of time

 

[Elizhaa]

The evidences look legit for 5-D looks legit. The spectre's last key would need to be updated. The Monitor would need another key.

YZ, LKZ, and QWSP having profiles would make the scaling most easier to show compared to relying on scans and past CRT.

 

[KLOL506]

NAIS.

First, Tier 4 SAO, now High 2-A Spectre.

 

[Elizio33]

The evidences look legit for 5-D looks legit. The spectre's last key would need to be updated. The Monitor would need another key.

Why the Monitor would need another key?

 

[Hellbeast1]

You think that's good I think there's a scan for 6D New Gods

 

[Elizhaa]

The evidences look legit for 5-D looks legit. The spectre's last key would need to be updated. The Monitor would need another key.

Why the Monitor would need another key?

So, wait, will this upgrade make The Monitor High 2-A as well?

 

[Elizio33]

No, only the Anti-Monitor should have another key when he was at the dawn of time.

 

[Elizhaa]

No, only the Anti-Monitor should have another key when he was at the dawn of time.

This was my point about the Anti-Monitor

 

[Antvasima]

We cannot scale retroactively from 1999 to 1985. The Thunderbolt was not established at anywhere near that degree of power at the time.

 

[Jared1111]

Supergirl confirmed 2-A for hurting a very weakened Anti-Monitor /s

 

[Elizio33]

We cannot scale retroactively from 1999 to 1985. The Thunderbolt was not established at anywhere near that degree of power at the time.

Okay so, his key should be "At least 2-A" instead?

 

[Antvasima]

Why "at least"?

 

[Hykuu]

We cannot scale retroactively from 1999 to 1985. The Thunderbolt was not established at anywhere near that degree of power at the time.

^^^^^ Thunderbolt was way weaker back then