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Thanos vs Han, driving the mad titan into madness.

First of all, you stole my titles punchline for this same match.

Second of all, Han speed amps, uses weakness detection, and makes a vegetal out of the titan.


Thanos could probably use reality stone to **** Han over, but... he wouldn't.
 
Han's first move is to create a pocket dimension. As soon as something like this happens we know for sure Thanos will counter with something similar. That being spacial manipulation or reality warping.

I mean Thanos is a very smart individual
 
I don't know how he would even know they are in a pocket dimension, let alone how he would do something similiar to it.

At most, he might try to make a portal to leave it, but I doubt that would work.
 
He can just as easily break through the dimension literally like he broke the mirror dimension. Again Thanos is smart he could tell the difference.
 
Breaking a portal and breaking a pocket dimension that is capable of resisting people that can break pocket dimensions if not comparable.

And saying "he's smart so he'll know" is not a reason. There is no possible way for him to really know it.


Not only that, but it changes nothing. Even if he broke it, Han would still speed amp and devastate him.
 
Thanos didn't break a portal he broke the incoming dimension itself. That's also an entire dimension not just a pocket dimension like the one's in The Gamer.

When you have someone like Thanos that is well versed in all things like that sort it would surprise me if he didn't realize something was amiss.

Han speed amping will make Thanos serious at which he's got a multitude of options to dispatch Han. Reality Warping and Death Manipulation being a few of them.
 
Not to mention that the pocket dimensions themselves being resistant to being broken is dependent entirely on how powerful you are which Thanos is immensely more powerful here.
 
Quick question:

Why wouldn't Thanos start with snapping? As soon as he was capable of snapping that's what he went with. Sure he tried fighting off storm breaker first but snapping would have stopped that.
 
That is some greta proof you got there! Nothing implies the dimension itself broke.

And again, that is not reason to say how he would notice, nor does it matter in any way.

No. Han speed amping will make Thanos unable to retaliate. You don't keep up with someone 30 times your own speed, specially when they pne-shot with mindhax.

And no. Thepocket dimension aren't broken through sheer power, but throughcolliding you energy in a specific manner.

And because he didn't in canon.he simply blasted Thor with all five gems. And if he did notice that he is in the pocket dimension, he wouldlitirally bedestroying the gaunlet to kill one-person, which he would not do.
 
What? We see the dimension shatter into pieces once Thanos attacked it. That's proof. Just because the point where the dimension breaks doesn't mean the whole thing breaks which is what I think you thought I meant.

If it doesn't matter it doesn't matter.

I really need to sit down and evaluate all of Han's hax....bingeing the comic was nice but I don't retain all of it.

The higher level another character is then they should be capable of destroying it. Sheer power dependent on specific energy (mana, chi, whatever) which the space gem would easily qualify as being much greater along with the other stones.

I already explained he didn't in canon immediately BECAUSE Thor threw stormbreaker. Snapping then would've just killed Thanos since snapping wouldn't have stopped stormbreaker (not that using the five gems did either but it's a better option).

Why not? This is a vs debate we don't count story elements like that. The point is to kill one person with all you have. Also why would he not be able to simply target one person with the snap instead of taking down half the universe.
 
No. The mirror like thing is a portal, that isn't proof that the entire mirror dimension was destroyed.

..?

If you have something you don't believe, actually ask about it. His speed amp rarely helps in the comic because everyone is faster than him as is. His mindhax is being abused, and allowed him to defeat one of the celestial thousand.

Not how it works, no. The energy needs to be controlled in a specific matter.

What? He could have snapped before Thor threw it, or made a portal to counter it, or transform it into butterfly. And agairegardless, Thanos not only wouldn't snap before at least looking at Han and reacting to him properly, but he would be attacked right away regardless, and he has no wayto know how strong Han is.

..? What? Are you kidding? CIS is absolutely acounted for. And IC is also absolutely acounted for. Deidara doesn't spam his suicide attack IC despite being able to regen from it as an Edo, and so he doesn't do that in a fight. What you are talking about is a bloodlusted match, and that needs to be specified in the OP.


And regardless, Han passively sspeed amps with his martial art skills, amos himself even further, uses observe on the gaunlet and then uses his mindhax. And the speed and tought speed difference is more than enough for Han to do all that before Thanos looks at Han and decides to snap.
 
I said it wasn't the whole mirror dimension just the portion reaching Thanos. It wasn't a portal. We've seen portals that wasn't one.

Regardless of how it's done dimensional destruction is something that Thanos can do. Just because a different verse explains it in a certain way that doesn't mean Thanos can't destroy it as well especially seeing how far above in general he is than Han (if Han were to use observe on Thanos then Thanos would undoubtedly be dozens of levels higher).

Thanos got hit then stormbreaker was thrown at him. Snapping wouldn't stop the hammer from going straight at Thanos. Split second thinking that's all it was so excuse him for not coming up with anything different (besides he had no idea how powerful storm breaker actually was).

Let me rephrase what I said since you took it in a different way. Thanos' only goal is to kill Han and as such the idea of "wasting the gauntlet on Han" would not occur to Thanos because that is a story element. Since a verse battle takes place out of the story that should not come up. This isn't about CIS.

Overall I need to know more about Han before voting or arguing further.
 
No. The portal to the mirror dimension apears exactly like that both in Infinity War and in Strange's own movie. There is a difference between average joe portals and mirror dimension portal.

No. Not only has he never done it, not only does he have no wayto know to do it, not only does Han's ID resist being broken like that, you can't claim that Gaia's pocket dimensions work the same way and can be broken as easily. Not only that, but that is wasting his time and Han will still blitz the hell out of him.

And why would he react differently to Han's attacks then?

That is still false. His goals remain the same, except he is in a fight with Han. Thunder's life goal is still suicide, regardless of the enemy.

And what do you need to know more? Again, questions go a long way. I would need to know how Thanos counters Han blitzing him to hell.
 
It doesn't. Every portal we've seen is an orange circle including those that allow them to enter the mirror dimension.

Yeah which is why I mentioned earlier if it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter (moving on).

It's more like why wouldn't Thanos snap? I mean again the only reason he didn't snap immediately against Thor was because of Stormbreaker. There's no reason for him not to do so either. Can't say not in character when he's only had it for so little time and in the very little time frame that he had it he DID use it.

Well regardless of that then he has all the more reason to snap since that is his goal. In a verse debate though the primary objective of the fighters is to defeat the other character. If not then there wouldn't be a debate to begin with.

Just generally the whole thing. Don't worry about it.
 
No. We've litirally seen the same mirror one when strange entered it for the first time. And again, there is no visible part t9o punch for Thanos. And doing so just wastes time in a match where the enemy can one-shot him.

You claiming that he will waste his time in a match where he'll die almost right away does matter.

Several reasons. The most prominent, Han would still fire attacks at him, so he would likely react like with stormbreaker. Another reason is that Han canObserve his Gaunlet and just not let him do it with fool's act or any of the numerous ways he has to stop Thanos.

...I made his profile. If you want to question or change it, I'm the main man that would need to worry about it.
 
Wait this is Thanos with Gem Stones? Would the AP difference even allow Han to contest? I'd argue that maybe that mind haxx could handle Thanos possibly but that's a maybe.

Also yeah I love Thanos and he does use haxx and does use the best one against anyone most of the time. The only exception being after Gamora's death where he's clearly suffering and not thinking straight till he pulled the moon down.
 
A maybe? Han's mindhax absolutely destroys in every way.

And no, he doesn't. Most of the time he uses projectiles that can be dodged, and even if he went for transmutation (which Han has resistance to but whatever) it takes more time for him to close his hand than for Han to do... whatever he wants, with the speed amps giving him a ridicolous advantage.
 
Trying to recall any mental feat from Thanos but yeah, unless you can apply half a universe's worth I don't think so.

Not really. First encounter with Space Friends, pulled a Reality Stone "Nothing Personal Kid" and then transmuted everyone else while he was gone. Then you get the 'stomp' at the end.

Speed amps definitely so, but there's a likely scenario that if Thanos is dealing with a fast enemy the optimal thing to do is stop time with the Time Stone.

What exactly would Han do? He'll definitely use Observe and figure out the massive stat gap between him and the enemy. His set up for the Mental Buffing is enough time to be interrupted by a hand gestures.

Edit - Also voting Thunder McQueen. Both can one off the each other
 
What? The stones don't give him resistance, not in the MCU anyways.

He fought without it much more often, and that xcan easily be said to be because he wanted to try out the new stone. Han resists. Not with that speed difference, no.


Thanos is not the kind of guy to realize that he's in a battle and instantly hax, ir even attack, an enemy. He would look at Han and his surroundings and if not talk, stillthink about things to do. Here Han looks at him and the gaunlet, speed amps and uses the skill that tells him mindhaxing is the way to go. After that aoe mindhax hardly lets Thanos do much, and the time he needs to get it off is less than what Thanos needs to use his hax because of thr over 30 times difference.
 
Just for reference, Thanos snapping his finger took 3 seconds, which by an amped Han's prespective would feel like 90 seconds. Or 180 if he uses Taji's martial arts amp too. Or 900 if he also uses mind acceleration.

That is a looong time to a dude that needs to say mindcrush why raising his hand.
 
??? I'm agreeing with you though? I was saying unless that's applicable Han is gonna win out on that.

The use of other Stones to effectively defeat an enemy quickly is not to be shaken. You get the same effect with a similar usage of an ability, it doesn't really change the direction or motivation. Heck if Han was being pulled towards Thanos or blasted it's much more dangerous in comparison to the ones he used it on like Strange or Scarlet Witch. There are some Stones in the endgame (by that I mean his stomp) that he used on thwarting everyone despite them being Stones he already used.

You're talking about plot stuff? He certainly was very talkative when he faced the last Avengers at Earth. Really, he only talked to others when he just unlocked a Stone. I'm not dismissing that's what Han would do. But literally any other fight he uses an ability that would usually crush an enemy. Only exceptions I can think of is Tony and Cap, and I'm pretty sure the latter he wasn't really providing much effort and the former was more for respect.

The moment Thanos recognizes the enemy just got faster is a big warning flag already.

It's really a tossup depending on what Thanos does because it's not as if Han can pull it out fast enough. So yeah still gonna vote Tie here.
 
Wasn't his recent one 15x? And that was claimed to be his best? In the latest chap? And huh damn that's a lot.

Nvm, I thought it was just 15 from the chap. That's... very big though, are you sure the numbers are accurate? I think we've can reach FTL Han at this rate. And I am not against that.

Taking out my tie vote.
 
And I'm saying it isn't, yes.

But he doesn't use them effectively. If he did Strange wouldn't have had the time to say "precognition" before he got smacked down. Pushing, pulling and projectiles are useless against Han here, and Thanos likes to use those more than others.

But what would crush most doesn't work here. There are mainly two things he could, and has been shown to be able to do, and it's doubtful that he can do it before Han speed amps. After Han speed amps his dead, no ifs or buts.

He wouldn't. He has no way to notice it. Once Han is that much faster, he uses his new skill to see that Thanos' mind resistance is null and just smashes his sanity apart. Again, the speed difference is far too staggering for him to snap or close his hand.


The idea of Thanos transmutating or snapping the second the match starts is really unlikely. He would at least look around and at Han to get a grip on what is going on at all. Han looks at his level, knows that Thanos is stronger right away, and amps. After that, he has ample time to do anything he wants.
 
Ciruno Fortes said:
Wasn't his recent one 15x? And that was claimed to be his best? In the latest chap? And huh damn that's a lot.
Nvm, I thought it was just 15 from the chap. That's... very big though, are you sure the numbers are accurate? I think we've can reach FTL Han at this rate. And I am not against that.

Taking out my tie vote.
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Han is reaching Sub-Rel+ in a bit. His reaction speed is Relativistic tough.

As for the 15 thing, even assuming that Han has 45 seconds, which is still hell of a lot. Even assuming Thanos goes extra fast and snaps his finger in 0.5 seconds (by their speed equal prespective), after speed amps that still is at least 7.5 seconds for Han to do something.


Time Acceleration can be really ridicolous.
 
Wait, nvm, the whole X15 is just his thinking speed amping.


Which means he has FTL tought speed with amps...
 
Gonna argue at some points here

@1

Fair point. Though still grieving there and honestly I think transmutation wasn't really effective against Sorcerers considering they can transmute black holes into butterflies and punch dimensions (well portals) into a black hole (well small). True, which is what makes the Time Stone more important. This is the only argument I disagree with here.

Oh just realized something actually. Considering that even someone who can knock out a moon with a thought couldn't harm Thanos, that speaks of his resistance. And it's not as if Han is absolutely safe when using said ability.

True on the snapping being unrealistic in the first second. It's more the after seconds. But this was before I read about how much speed amp Jan got.

@2 and 3

I'll just believe what you say on the speed amp lol. I'm pretty sure we agree that Han is hellova fast.
 
A moon doesn't resist much better than a normal person, and his stuff can work on people with pretty high resistance.

The speed amps are pretty weird. Since I want to assume that the author realizes that even the weakest time dilatation made him X20 faster, I'd say that it just amplifies his tough speed, which visuals (cogs where Han's brain is) and the name (Accelerate thinking speed) seem to agree with.

The martial arts thing is because Han claims that he can make his speed twice his base while sparring with Pong (Green haired gal), and she was unimpressed. I'd imagine that the fusion of several skills would be above that.
 
Thought I responded.

I think it's more in scale but idk. I think it can work for sure, just not sure how long it'll take.

Maybe it's a mistranslation like that time we used to think Han can go 1k meters per second instead of per hour.

That makes sense too. Man, too many stacks makes Han a monster. Might have to make a tab for his 'strongest' form at that rate.

On a bonus, yeah tossing my vote at Han but I'm worried if it's still fair. Not just for this match but future matches cause all Han has to do is literally think and use his general spells and bam, he's pretty much gonna blitz most.
 
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