TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 1

[EldemadeDityjon]

Let's start with the fact that @Dereck03 already suggested NEP was wrong for Velda because whatever they are using in the profile scans and explanation doesn't grant him NEP.

There was a second time the NEP upgrade thread was made, but it was rejected by @Everything12, and the OP asked the mods to close it.

By the looks of the 3rd and 4th threads, it seems like the OP misled Elizha and DDM by wording the NEP justification however they liked. When you look at the scan and its context, nothing really indicates anything literally related to non-existence.

Tackling NEP Type 2:

• Omnipresence, Large Size (Type 10), Nonduality (Type 1), Abstract Existence (Type 1), Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2) & Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; He is a singular existence, the primordial will that exist as and separate from everything else, his consciousness holds all things[24], the one that is all and the all that is one yet alone in the world, he is devoid of everything and nothing, for those are just pure parts of himself[24])

No scans here, except this one talking about nothingness. In fact, this is not even discussing 'nothingness' in terms of non-existent physiology.

@Dereck03 response to this.

Spoiler

This is literally taking a specific context and changing it to a completely different one, Veldanava said that only his consciousness existed and that his consciousness lacked nothing as it was complete. You are taking the “lacking nothing” as if his consciousness is missing an aspect such as non-existence, nothing here is not even related to a non-existent model, only that his own being is complete and that nothing is missing.

So yeah, this is a misleading context.

There is another scan used in OP but not in the profile explanation. I'm going to address this as well, just in case someone brings it up again.

This scan is only talking about a place. It has nothing to do with NEP, unless there is solid proof that Velda predated even this void and that his existence was itself non-existent. This scan also holds no value because it is not discussing a state of being; it's just talking about a void space.

Duality arguments
The cosmology blog seems to discuss a Hell/Underworld where the Great Spirit of Darkness summons the Void. However, it never explicitly states that the Great Spirit of Darkness itself is non-existent, nor Velda, nor God. Therefore, arguments suggesting that the Great Spirit of Darkness has sub-abilities of Void Manipulation based on this do not grant NEP.

Additionally, the idea that God encompasses both existence and non-existence is a big assumption, as these concepts are not treated as dualities. Rather, they stem from the attributes of light and darkness. In the series, only light and darkness are treated as dualities according to the scans on the cosmology blog.

There is also Subspace, which is described as its own kind of Void. If supporters of Tensura can prove that God encompasses Subspace with supporting scans, then I could see a case for limited NEP type 1. However, God-Key Velda does not only encompass Subspace. He still exists and has not demonstrated any feats that indicate pure non-existence. Furthermore, this Subspace does not qualify for NEP type 2, as it is not the conventional form of "nothingness" required to prove NEP type 2 for God.

So obviously NEP type 2 justification scan is misleading. Hence it should be downgraded to limited NEP type 1 if they can prove Velda God key encompasses Subspace.

Tackling NEP Type 1 & 3:

Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Types 1 & 3 ; All Aspects [Other: Fate & Story, Life and Death]; Those who ascended, have abandoned their soul, which is a source of collective consciousness, The conceptual formn which True Dragons exist as and the information that shapes reality. disappearing completely from the world, released from fate and from the story, becoming the world itself, they are fictional entities with physical bodies, thus existing and not existing simultaneously)

Same as NEP type 2 above. NEP types 1 and 3 also have misleading explanations. There are no scans stating anything related to non-existence or nothingness. OP previously wrote this off with vague statements from scans with just few lines, which no one actually knows the full context of. One thing is certain: none of the scans here relate to non-existent physiology. They are all vague statements. Don’t look at the explanation; just look at the scans, and you’ll see what I mean.

I'm not going to bother with statements like "him being one and everything, or encompassing all, or being the world, or a fictional entity" with his vague statements, because I don’t really see how any of that supports the NEP. The NEP page even clarifies that one needs to be non-existent to gain the physiology. Which any of the scans here failed to provide or prove.

So, I suggest this also needs to be downgraded unless someone posts full scans instead of few lines with zero context. Not to mention, it has nothing to do with NEP.
If they failed to explain why NEP type 1 and 3 are valid. This also should be removed alongwith NEP type 2.

TD;LR
The scans and explanation have different contexts, and previously, OP used misleading arguments to upgrade Velda's NEP 1, 2, and 3 with little to no context. So, all NEP related content should be removed from Velda profile. Additionally, any characters who received NPI of NEP (if they have it) should also have it removed.

This guy also needs his NEP type 1 and 3 gets removed for same reasons as above.

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Agree: @Dereck03 (Admin) (Agree with everything), @Planck69 (Admin) (Agree with everything), @DarkDragonMedeus (Admin) (Agree with everything),

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[Godsatoshi23]

I agree with removing NEP 2 from Velda's profile. After reading the scans and arguments(threads linked in the OP), it's evident that the NEP justification lacks clarity and context, relying on vague or misinterpreted statements rather than clear evidence of non-existence same problem with type 1 and 3.

 

[Mizuki67]

Disagree with removing NEP Nature 2 . I have already given my reply to Dereck or do I need to quote it ?

 

[Mizuki67]

I guess you can remove NEP Nature 1 and 3. Promised land isnt NEP anyways. It is something deeper than that which we would discuss later if the tier 0 is a success

 

[Fixxed]

Velda must be in the state of nonexistence for have NEP. Him being oneness complete perfect and encompassing everything, and anything like that doesnt even give him NEP let alone NEP type 2

 

[Robo432343]

Velda must be in the state of nonexistence for have NEP. Him being oneness complete perfect and encompassing everything, and anything like that doesnt even give him NEP let alone NEP type 2

But Velda encompasses the nonexistent places in the verse

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Neutral. Code gave me the link of the CRT which was my main concern.

I'll wait for him to bring his own counters.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Disagree, with the NEP 2 removal. Fully agree with the NEP 1 and 3 Removals.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Disagree with removing NEP Nature 2 . I have already given my reply to Dereck or do I need to quote it ?

I already addressed that in my OP. You can wait for Derek reply if you really want.

I guess you can remove NEP Nature 1 and 3. Promised land isnt NEP anyways. It is something deeper than that which we would discuss later if the tier 0 is a success

I suggest next time you reply make it a single message instead of two different for even smallest of things.

No need to reply for this message saying sure or whatever. I'm not going to reply to anyone unless they bring a argument which was not addressed in the my OP. So no need to fill my thread with repeated unnecessary circular arguments

Anyway from now I'm going to only reply to new arguments which are brought or staffs input. I'm not saying this to you alone. This goes for everyone. Make your arguments possible in one message and wait for staff input. If they are new arguments I'll address them myself.

But Velda encompasses the nonexistent places in the verse

No I already addressed this issue in OP.

 

[Fixxed]

But Velda encompasses the nonexistent places in the verse

He must be in nonexistence state to begin with, encompasses some place doesnt work i afraid

 

[Robo432343]

No I already addressed this issue in OP.

you literally said you aren't going to bother with the encompass statements

 

[Robo432343]

He must be in nonexistence state to begin with, encompasses some place doesnt work i afraid

encompassing across NEP places gives you NEP

 

[Daten_Naraku]

Following!

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I guess you can remove NEP Nature 1 and 3. Promised land isnt NEP anyways. It is something deeper than that which we would discuss later if the tier 0 is a success

plz do

 

[CodeCCLL]

NEP types 1 and 3 also have misleading explanations.

I was already thinking of reconsidering the Promised Land related parts since these things were accepted, but I haven't found the time yet and probably won't find it for a while, but yes, these parts can be removed entirely.

Tackling NEP Type 2:

The page doesn't really provide a justification for NEP 2, that's true, but there is an argument in the first place that God is a whole in nothingness that predates even the duality of existence and non-existence. So OP should address this argument. So I can't vote for now.

Additionally, any characters who received NPI of NEP (if they have it) should also have it removed.

So, logically, someones should have it, but there is nothing about NEP interaction in any profile other than Veldanava's profile.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

you literally said you aren't going to bother with the encompass statements

encompassing across NEP places gives you NEP

I already addressed the vague scan which might you be refering to in my OP.

There is another scan used in OP but not in the profile explanation. I'm going to address this as well, just in case someone brings it up again.

This scan is only talking about a place. It has nothing to do with NEP, unless there is solid proof that Velda predated even this void and that his existence was itself non-existent. This scan also holds no value because it is not discussing a state of being; it's just talking about a void space.

You can stop replying if you have no new scans other than this.

I'll let staff decide on this.

He must be in nonexistence state to begin with, encompasses some place doesnt work i afraid

Fixxed. Don’t bother much with Robo (he is not bringing any new arguments or scans which are not posted on OP). I don't want this thread to go on for ten or more pages.

I'll try to call in some staff to evaluate this once a few more comments are made. If no new arguments are brought up and the only argument is 'I disagree with the NEP Type 2 downgrade (I'm not going to post scans or explain anything),' it's better to leave it up to the staff.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The page doesn't really provide a justification for NEP 2, that's true, but there is an argument in the first place that God is a whole in nothingness that predates even the duality of existence and non-existence. So OP should address this argument. So I can't vote for now.

You have the scan for this? Or I missed something in the profile?

 

[Voidnether]

I thought it was always NEP1? Where the hell did NEP2 even come from if there's no explanations whatsoever for that??
I really missed a lot, lmao.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

yeah i realy agree with this , he is not even nonexistence itself and this ecompassing existence and nonexistence stuff with this logic you would see many verses with nep and you would see me aswell spaming nep for my perfect harem verse for those waifus and wow there is no way they took the part where him missing nothing on his all encompassing as lacking the concept of nonexistence.

The page doesn't really provide a justification for NEP 2, that's true, but there is an argument in the first place that God is a whole in nothingness that predates even the duality of existence and non-existence. So OP should address this argument. So I can't vote for now.

scans

 

[Fixxed]

duality of existence and non-existence

Slime have this duality? Mind you give some thread where this is accepted

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well duality doesn't matter. This thread is only for NEP so I request everyone to keep the arguments under NEP only.

 

[Robo432343]

Don’t bother much with Robo (he is not bringing any new arguments or scans which are not posted on OP). I don't want this thread to go on for ten or more pages.

bruh i was literally disagreeing with NEP

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Tackling NEP Type 2:

No scans here, except this one talking about nothingness. In fact, this is not even discussing 'nothingness' in terms of non-existent physiology.

This is not simply "Veldanava being nothingness" but rather about his state of encompassing both, while also existing prior to both.

From the cosmology page itself, the verse has the duality of existence and nonexistence; God's NEP2 is about being in a nondual state in context to that.

@Dereck03 response to this.

Spoiler

This is literally taking a specific context and changing it to a completely different one, Veldanava said that only his consciousness existed and that his consciousness lacked nothing as it was complete. You are taking the “lacking nothing” as if his consciousness is missing an aspect such as non-existence, nothing here is not even related to a non-existent model, only that his own being is complete and that nothing is missing.

So yeah, this is a misleading context.

This is just Derek not understanding how exactly Veldanava got his NEP2. As quoted by Elizhaa from here

I think the changes seem fine. On Nonexistent Physiology type 2, I think you had better arguments in this thread. Since this thread has Nonexistent Physiology being valid in the verse, then from Veldananva having nonduality type 2, I can see Nonexistent Physiology type 2 as valid given that Nonexistent Physiology type 2 is just transdual/nondual nonexistence.

This is about his Nondual state concluding to his NEP2 state. And while now it's not Type 2, the fact that its nondual [even if type 1] still remains.

There is another scan used in OP but not in the profile explanation. I'm going to address this as well, just in case someone brings it up again.

This scan is only talking about a place. It has nothing to do with NEP, unless there is solid proof that Velda predated even this void and that his existence was itself non-existent. This scan also holds no value because it is not discussing a state of being; it's just talking about a void space.

The whole thing is still a part of the cosmology that exists between Dimensions
It's not about God predating the void, but rather about him encompassing everything in the verse, literally, due to his state of "where all was one and one was all, complete, lacking absolutely nothing"

“Ha-ha-ha! Well, because I’m not omnipotent. When I was born, all that existed was my will. It was complete, fully, not a piece missing to it—a flawless existence, where all was one and one was all. I was the only thing in the world. Doesn’t that sound boring to you?” ~ OTL Volume 16

The scan you're using is from slimereader, and while it's not completely inaccurate, the translation still varies. If you're suspecting that both are mistranslations, here's the whole kanji explanation

Spoiler: Kanji Explanation

For the line "At that time, It was complete, fully, not a missing piece to it", the Kanji is:

• その時は満たされていて、欠けたるものなど 何一つなかった。
  • その時 -> At that time (from Veldanava's perspective when he (the avatar) was born)
  • は -> Is
  • 満た -> Complete/Whole/Full (in the sense of lacking nothing)
  • されていて -> Has been (since the beginning)
    欠け -> Piece/Fragment/Part
  • たる -> That is/Which is
  • もの -> Thing/Truly/Really (in this context, it's "Truly" or "Really" since the object (Piece) is already stated present before it)
  • など -> Etc./and the like (as in, "Anything of whatever kind" in context to the previous term)
  • 何一つ -> No/Nothing/Not (used for the negation of the previous phrase or term; here it would be "Truly no piece"
  • なかった -> There wasn't
  • As a whole, a translation would be "It was full/complete/whole, with truly nothing outside it/no piece missing to it"

For the line "Where all was one and one was all", the Kanji is:

• 完全無欠、〝全なる一〟
  • 完全 -> Perfection/Completeness (in the Ontological and/or Omnipresent sense)
  • 無欠 -> Flawlessness (in the sense that it lacks absolutely nothing; a Perfection with no imperfection at all; or, alternatively, boosting the previous term to the "Absolute" degree) - Source
  • 全 -> All/Entire/Whole (of something)/Omni-
  • なる -> To become/was (in context, it would be "To Unite into" or "in")
  • 一 -> One
  • The whole translation would be "It was a flawless perfection, the All-In-One" or "It was complete, absolutely perfection, the All-Encompassing One"

So obviously NEP type 2 justification scan is misleading. Hence it should be downgraded.

Disagree with the above mentioned reasons

Tackling NEP Type 1 & 3:

Same as NEP type 2 above. NEP types 1 and 3 also have misleading explanations. There are no scans stating anything related to non-existence or nothingness. OP previously wrote this off with vague statements from scans with just few lines, which no one actually knows the full context of. One thing is certain: none of the scans here relate to non-existent physiology. They are all vague statements. Don’t look at the explanation; just look at the scans, and you’ll see what I mean.

Agree with this part; this should be removed since the Promised Land is nothing close to this at all, it's something else entirely.

TD;LR
The scans and explanation have different contexts, and previously, OP used misleading arguments to upgrade Velda's NEP 1, 2, and 3 with little to no context. So, all NEP related content should be removed from Velda profile. Additionally, any characters who received NPI of NEP (if they have it) should also have it removed.

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Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:

Count me as agree for removal of NEP1 and 3, but disagree for the NEP2 removal.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I agree with removing NEP Nature 1 and 3 but not 2. NEP 2 does not require being non-existent but in a state that is neither existent nor non-existent. Encompasses existent and non-existent while lacking any distinction should place it in a state where it is neither existent nor non-existent so it should qualify for NEP 2.

 

[Hasty12345]

I agree with the removals.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is not simply "Veldanava being nothingness" but rather about his state of encompassing both, while also existing prior to both.

From the cosmology page itself, the verse has the duality of existence and nonexistence; God's NEP2 is about being in a nondual state in context to that.

This is just Derek not understanding how exactly Veldanava got his NEP2. As quoted by Elizhaa from here

This is about his Nondual state concluding to his NEP2 state. And while now it's not Type 2, the fact that its nondual [even if type 1] still remains.

Your arguments didn’t add anything extra; what you mentioned about encompassing has already been addressed. I’ll leave it to the staff. I even posted the same links that Elizha referenced in my original post, so bringing up the same post again doesn’t add anything new. I still don’t see any scans indicating that Velda is a non-existent character in any sense.

The whole thing is still a part of the cosmology that exists between Dimensions
It's not about God predating the void, but rather about him encompassing everything in the verse, literally, due to his state of "where all was one and one was all, complete, lacking absolutely nothing"

Dereck argument doesn't change with what you said contextually what he said still remains the same.

He didn't lacked anything because he was everything.

The scan you're using is from slimereader, and while it's not completely inaccurate, the translation still varies. If you're suspecting that both are mistranslations, here's the whole kanji explanation

Funnily enough that's the same scan Elizha agreed and previous OP used.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Slime have this duality? Mind you give some thread where this is accepted

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[Fixxed]

but rather about his state of encompassing both

NEP 2 does not require being non-existent but in a state that is neither existent nor non-existent

Read the standard

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I agree with removing NEP Nature 1 and 3 but not 2. NEP 2 does not require being non-existent but in a state that is neither existent nor non-existent. Encompasses existent and non-existent while lacking any distinction should place it in a state where it is neither existent nor non-existent so it should qualify for NEP 2.

I asked @CodeCCLL still got no scans
I'm gonna ask you too now send the scans for this

Why everyone making the claims but no one supporting your claims with proof?

What you people are doing is claiming extraordinary things with burden of proof on your back.

 

[Fixxed]

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I dont see in OP write anything about duality

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

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I dont see in OP write anything about duality

Take duality arguments to your walls.
Only focus on NEP here.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Your arguments didn’t add anything extra; what you mentioned about encompassing has already been addressed.

I'm not going to bother with statements like "him being one and everything, or encompassing all, or being the world, or a fictional entity" with his vague statements, because I don’t really see how any of that supports the NEP.

minus the fictional entity part[because that's promised land stuff that I agree with removing], "his vague statements" isn't really an argument.
"I don't really see how any of that supports the NEP" except, that's your own problem not seeing it. If you think its not within the standards, I already quoted a staff for you regarding that earlier, dk why you left it.

I think the changes seem fine. On Nonexistent Physiology type 2, I think you had better arguments in this thread. Since this thread has Nonexistent Physiology being valid in the verse, then from Veldananva having nonduality type 2, I can see Nonexistent Physiology type 2 as valid given that Nonexistent Physiology type 2 is just transdual/nondual nonexistence.

The NEP page even clarifies that one needs to be non-existent to gain the physiology. Which any of the scans here failed to provide or prove.

Quoting the NEP page itself:

1. Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

Encompassing both existence and nonexistence while lacking the distinction between them is enough for NEP2, backed up by Elizhaa's quote.

I’ll leave it to the staff.

I have no problems with that.

I even posted the same links that Elizha referenced in my original post, so bringing up the same post again doesn’t add anything new. I still don’t see any scans indicating that Velda is a non-existent character in any sense.

Whereas you never addressed what Elizhaa said, other then saying "he was mislead" and that "the scan is nothing related to nonexistence" but didn't even care to argue against the supporting argument provided by staff. So no, that's not "I've already addressed it".

Dereck argument doesn't change with what you said contextually what he said still remains the same.

I'm not talking "lacking nothing" as an argument for Nonexistence, mind you, I merely said Derek doesn't understand the full reasoning behind the NEP2 rating.

He didn't lacked anything because he was everything.

Indeed, and I never argued against that.

Funnily enough that's the same scan Elizha agreed and previous OP used.

Not really addresses the scan itself. Both the Slimereader translation and the OTL are accepted as usable sources for scans.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I dont see in OP write anything about duality

What do you think this means?

New cosmology page according to Low 1-C Worlds.

Astral Trinity439/Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Cosmology Explanation (Light Novel)​

The OP is quoting my blog in the OP, which is what mentions the dualities in it.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I'm gonna ask you too now send the scans for this

The cosmology page... [the great spirit section specifically]
The whole "duality of existence and nonexistence" is a part of the cosmology.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Slime have this duality? Mind you give some thread where this is accepted

There is no thread specifically addressing duality, and the thread where the cosmology page was first created was also accepted. On the new cosmology page, I mentioned that we needed to overhaul duality, but then I gave up dealing with it.

(Also if OP doesn't want to address duality create another thread)

You have the scan for this? Or I missed something in the profile?

There is nothing directly stating this, but the idea is arrived at by correlating the scan sent to Dereck's profile with the other things shown in the verse. God is the creator of the duality of the great spirits of darkness and light, which encompasses dualities such as existence and non-existence, yin and yang, and thus precedes this duality. The fact that God is the only thing that exists in nothingness, devoid of even these dualities, and the expressions attributed to God that describe a similar state of being in H.P Lovecraft's Yog-Sothoth, suggest that Fuse also wanted to construct this kind of God. Therefore, the fact that God is the only thing that exists in nothingness, where all is one and the one is all, is attributed to God being nothingness itself.

There were discussions with Ultima in the Tier 0 thread about how much such statements, with context, supported this kind of an existential state, and as I memember, Ultima thought there should be more direct statements.

So I think it makes the most sense to get Ultima's input here, but that's unlikely so I wouldn't mind it being removed. But I guess actually I'm neutral since I don't work for its removal.

 

[Fixxed]

What do you think this means?

The OP is quoting my blog in the OP, which is what mentions the dualities in it.

Last comment about this topic, the concern about that thread is scalling not about duality not to mention it only have 2 staff agreement, you need minimal 3 staff for apply something like nonduality duality CM and anything like that (and i know the duality part are already there in the previous cosmology page before even the thread exist, you guys added it without any thread)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

(Also if OP doesn't want to address duality create another thread)

Yeah I don't really care about duality.

There is nothing directly stating this, but the idea is arrived at by correlating the scan sent to Dereck's profile with the other things shown in the verse. God is the creator of the duality of the great spirits of darkness and light, which encompasses dualities such as existence and non-existence, yin and yang, and thus precedes this duality. The fact that God is the only thing that exists in nothingness, devoid of even these dualities, and the expressions attributed to God that describe a similar state of being in H.P Lovecraft's Yog-Sothoth, suggest that Fuse also wanted to construct this kind of God. Therefore, the fact that God is the only thing that exists in nothingness,

where all is one and the one is all, is attributed to God being nothingness itself.

I saw this scan, but I was talking about existence and non-existence scans, specifically non-existence scans.

What I found in the cosmology blog seems to focus on abilities instead of dualities. Having void manipulation as an ability doesn't implies that the character's existence itself is non-existent, unless there is another scan or context I’m missing. You’re free to explain it to me; I’m listening.

There were discussions with Ultima in the Tier 0 thread about how much such statements, with context, supported this kind of an existential state, and as I memember, Ultima thought there should be more direct statements.

So I think it makes the most sense to get Ultima's input here, but that's unlikely so I wouldn't mind it being removed. But I guess actually I'm neutral since I don't work for its removal.

Sure no problem.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

If the duality of existence and non existence was accepted in the verse and velda has nonduality in relation to this ,then i disagree with the removal of nep 2
But count me as agreed with the removal of nep 1 and 3

 

[Digital_Franz]

Read the standard

What I said literally came from the standard. A character does not necessarily have to be declared non-existent to receive NEP 2 since it will be classified in NEP 1 directly. What you show clearly explains that it must be neither 1 nor 0.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I asked @CodeCCLL still got no scans
I'm gonna ask you too now send the scans for this

Why everyone making the claims but no one supporting your claims with proof?

What you people are doing is claiming extraordinary things with burden of proof on your back.

Veldanava is described as a monad which supports the point.