It doesn't?
It's more like only supporters seeing NEP without non existent statement. Not my problem.
Don't really care about this back and forth.
I was talking about OP misleading Elizha. So Elizha giving input based on his perception because of previous threads still getting mislead by OP.
It was the scan found in profile and Mizuki used that so Dereck isn't one who is in wrong
Checked the links where this scans specifically mentioned? Only light and darkness attributes I see there
I only see light and darkness as dualities in the verse don't see existence and non existent being a duality.
3 staff agreements are for those with a "large source material", that doesn't apply to that CRT, because it's just about which character scales to which cosmological construct, with the only few additional things that the OP also highlighted. The whole "large source material" was instead the one where the tier 1 was approved to begin with, which does have 3 staff approvals.
I don't see any point in bringing that against me when I didn't even participate in those threads, nor was I active in those days [if my memory serves correctly], so mind you, count me out of the "you guys".
Once again, not an argument. You aren't addressing anything related to the scan itself other then "its vague statements".
"Nonexistence" is the Great Spirit of Darkness. Quoting the cosmology page
God being all-in-one and one-in-all, and all-encompassing, by itself proves everything[the entire cosmology] is a part of his being. Said cosmology itself [minus the subspace] was created by Veldanava[True dragon key], with God being above even that.
And I never argued that the OP didn't do so. My argument is how Elizhaa stated that NEP2 can be derived from Veldanava's Nonduality.
Valid I suppose, can't say anything to that since I wasn't involved myself.
Void is nonexistence...
And even the void manipulation page
The main focus on abilities related to void manipulation is that all magic and skills in Tensura are essentially based on manipulating the laws of the world. The Great Spirit of Darkness, which embodies the concept of darkness and all the laws related to darkness, is only one part of the Laws of the World.
The first one basically talks about how Veldavana is the strongest in the "food chain", so it's not exactly important to prove that Veldavana is everything.
It's being cited about non-existence, but where exactly is the proof that the existence of a specific darkness spell that invokes non-existence proves that the Great Spirit of Darkness is non-existent? It is only being shown that there is a darkness spell that invokes non-existence, nothing that mentions that the Great Spirit of Darkness IS non-existence, which is seriously need to prove that: Veldavana (defines and is everything)>>>>> > Great Spirit of Darkness (defines and IS non-existence) = non-existence
This is false
Bruh the first sentence in NEP 2 literally say "the character DOESN'T EXIST", it also supported with another sentence that say "Characters of this type HAVE to behave AT LEAST AS NONEXISTENCE as those with Material Nonexistence"
No, that not how it work, just because Dereck did not comment anymore doesn't mean he is fine or have no trouble with the thread, seriously what the hell. By this logic i could just make a CRT and after a while claim that since no staff comment mean every staff is fine or have no trouble with my thread
Just because you can manipulate a void doesn't make you literal void, you need back up evidence, quoting the page mean absolute nothing, power & abilities are varies between verses which we evaluate them depend on how the verse showcase them
It's just for "Veldanava existing before everything", take it as supporting evidence
Notice the "everything has here, and he himself felt becoming a part of it", those things are indication of it referring to God.
That scan was just a few paras below the "Where all was one and one was alL" scan in Volume 16, so concluding that it's referring to God's omnipresent or Monadic nature is relatively simple.
Read the Cosmology Page. The Great Spirits are the governing laws/concept of reality that govern everything within their field of scope. "Magic" in general is for manipulating those laws, so "Darkness magic that manipulates darkness" is easily concludable to "Magic that manipulates the law of darkness".
Quoting the cosmology page
So there you go, the above that I mentioned should be enough to conclude that
Where did I say that...
I didn't say he was fine with the thread itself, I was explicitly only referring to the ND part.
Before you say "he may be referring to those in general", the thread itself explicitly proposed those exact abilities for God.
So, what is the scan that show this supposed void, because from all that was show earlier is just talking about some abilities with Darkness Attribute
Your own word
Indeed, but in my own words, I never said "derek never disagreed with the thread", I said "he never disagreed with Nonduality", there's a clear difference between both.
Man, how many times do I have to quote the exact same part of the cosmology page...
Ok
You need at least the context of this scene before stating something, you can't say one thing and say another without at least supporting evidence.
But that doesn't mean it's comprehensive, just that it's absolute compared to anything else.
I read the page, but how does this prove some non-existent aspect to the Spirit of Darkness, or even that it IS non-existence itself? I saw the scan saying he rules darkness, but I didn't see scan saying he rules non-existence or that he rules all aspects of darkness spells.
There is proof that a magic with the darkness attribute invokes the void, but there is no proof that the Great Spirit of Darkness is the void itself, incorporates the void, that its existence is the void, or that "Grand Spirit do Darkness = darkness = emptiness", and much less than what I said previously:
I kidnapped themDBH, Tensura, Mao Gakuin wankers (!) are together this is great meeting but something seems missing. Where are our Chinemans experts on NEP and duality?
They're chilling, laughing at us with their gazillions of layered hax abilities.DBH, Tensura, Mao Gakuin wankers (!) are together this is great meeting but something seems missing. Where are our Chinemans experts on NEP and duality?
Couldn't have said this better...They're chilling, laughing at us with their gazillions of layered hax abilities.
Following this, Hell does seem to be a void, if by some means we equate the Great Spirit of darkness responsible for this to be nonexistent as well, it's iffy if the Great Spirit of light can automatically be assumed to represent existence with no direct mention (weird that was left out when they're meant to be opposites).
For the all-encompassing completeness? That's the whole part of the pov. It was a short indirect Michael pov after Rimuru defeated him. Rimuru disintegrated Michael and erased his being, while absorbing his parts other then his consciousness. The consciousness that was left as is returned to God, its original source[and the source of everything].
The destiny related part is another line, him being everything is another. Two different lines that mean two different things yet are linked to the nature of the same being. So while your interpretation of it being related to destiny is not invalid, the "not that he is everything" is invalid.
I very clearly explained the co-relation for you, and you didn't address any of it.
That's your own interpretation that doesn't take in the word "oneness" and what it means.
Argument from ignorance, I already answered what you asked
Darkness is the same thing as "Nonexistence" or Void in-verse.
Key/direct mentions: "Void", "Fangs of Darkness", "it was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void", "Nihiliy magic in particular had the characteristic of invoking the void of hell".
Except, the "magic that summons the void" is not the only statement here to support nonexistence and GS of darkness being that.
So true xDThey're chilling, laughing at us with their gazillions of layered hax abilities.
and billions of 1-A to high 1-A charactersThey're chilling, laughing at us with their gazillions of layered hax abilities.
I agree with Void Manipulation with the statement I have seen. But disagree with Void Manipulation skill=existence logic which is used by other supporters to argue NEP type 2 here.
So basically it's an assumption that Darkness summons that power so it's an part of dualities?
Thanks for clarifying. Definitely disagree with this logic and using this to argue dualities when there is no solid proof for that istead only assumption is based on they originate from light and darkness attributes.
It doesn't.
You haven't prof this.
Literally none of this is said, it's just said about a darkness spell that invokes the void, which is completely different from darkness = void.
Just the fact that it is a SUMMONING magic that SUMMONS THE VOID FROM A PLACE is something that supports my point, there is nothing saying that darkness = void, quite the opposite, a summoning magic that invokes something from a realm proves that summoning magic is not the void itself.
The fact that a darkness spell needs to invoke the void of a place to use the void already shows that clearly darkness ≠ void.
Not Void Manipulation. A Void of Nothingness.
Bruh.
I think you missed something. I said lacked distinction (quality I mean). You can't lack quality between the existent and the non-existent and still be existent.
Uh, with what you're saying, it's necessary that the character be said not to exist and that he has NEP 1 to have NEP 2.
It is a world created thanks to Great Spirit of Darkness where demons are born which are also born from Great Spirit of Darkness.
You can call whatever you want. It doesn't change it falls under Void Manipulation by wiki standards
So it wasn't existed during Velda's time?
You can.
Since it was created thanks to Great Spirit of Drakness that means it was created after the birth of Veldanava (the avatar).
If the great attribute of darkness symbolizes non existence and the great attribute of light symbolizes existence ,the fact that veldanava predated both means that he was neither existent nor non existent
So here every supporter of NEP type 2 is arguing despite it was created after Velda gave up his omnipotent. Velda still encompassed this?
Yeah literally you contradict yourself at the end. I guess all NEP 2s have to be downgraded right? The NEP 2 page says the character is neither 1 nor 0 with 1 being existence and 0 being non-existence. If a character is already -1 or -2 then they are no longer part of the Dual system and so...
you missed one integral part
It is specifically about nonexistence
Nooo. This has already been addressed in the Tier 0 thread. Everything is part of God and Veldanava is just his avatar. Veldanava predates Great Spirit of Darkness and God predates them and encompasses everything.
It's not how duality are treated. Just because you born from abilities of one dualities doesn't mean whatever sub abilities born from it also falls under some dualities.
