So you didn't even read any of the previous answers. (Which, based on your previous answers, was already obvious)
But those aren't abilities thought. Those what the GS of darkness rappresent.
Velda predating great spirit doesn't mean anything here. You admitted Hell was created by great spirit after Velda gave up his Omnipotent which means it's created by Darkness abilities. It has nothing to do with existence of Velda encompassing it.
You are ignoring the
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no. Veldanava created everything from when he was in the space time void (a void that proceeded all concepts). He then created the great spirits,angels,and demons and the world.
this was already explained. Veldanava was created within the void as an avatar of god. Wants god (the absolute oneness) to experience imperfection. So god still exists. Veldanava is not part of god so he “abandoned it”
What? I'm telling you that everything is part of God. How do you say it has nothing to do with Veldanava encompassing it since it's part of him?
I read the profile that's why I made the downgrade thread stop acting like this just because you can't counter any arguments presented here with your own
Funny thing 90% of the people here did admitted previous threads were misleading. Idk how can anyone would share your viewpoint.
Really doesn't matter which has nothing to do with my thread.
He can encompass millions of thing doesn't mean he himself is non existent thanks to that. You need proof for that.
Darkness attributes having Void Manipulation ≠ Existence of Darkness attributes= Void itself not Velda's existence is one.
Read my latest comment. Should help
I thought you said you didn't mean it as "literal". But in any case, Darkness spells don't really summon plants[to my memory], nor do a "spell" governs it.
Man, how is it it hard to understand the co-relation between "Fangs of Darkness" and "Summons the void". The "fans" are referring to the void.
A Darkness spell does whatever its doing by manipulating its respective law/great spirit. A fire spell summons/creates a fire, and said fire is governed by its respective law of nature[the gs of fire in this case]. Something like water is not governed by GS of fire, and so, with the same logic, no other GS governs darkness/void other then the GS of darkness. [Refer to the magic and skills page for this], as well as these:
Magic cast is just attributeless originally, it's just a bolt of magic energy, but when it is exposed to the laws of the world, it transforms into what those laws govern. A nuclear canon is only as it is as it is because of being exposed to the law governing it. So, the void of hell/darkness of hell would also only be so because of being exposed to the law/great spirit governing it; aka the GS of darkness.
Even a summoning magic is essentially cast by manipulating the world's laws/great spirits. Said realm of darkness itself is within the scope of GS of darkness. Why are you not counting this? :
It's not the spell itself that is governed by the laws; the spell itself simply manipulates those laws. It's the thing summoned/created that is governed by those laws. A magic that summons a being of light; the spell is not light itself, but the being of light is indeed governed by the GS of light.
You literally admitted it was created by GS of darkness not my words. So Omnipotent Velda didn't encompasses hell?
I would like you to define what all-encompassing means in context to "Everything being a part of you", since it seems you don't even understand what that means...
It's a place nothing elseYou are ignoring the
Space Time Void -- Beginning and End of Creation
Which exists before and after the great spirits.which would still be encompassed by god.
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Franz admited Hell was created after Velda gave up his Omnipotent so means it didn't existed before.
He encompasses Hell.
Because everything that exists is part of God. Being created by someone else doesn't mean it's not part of Him. Where does this logic come from? Even in the main story God was called All-Encompassing completness. Frankly the word is self explanatory.
Depends on the contexts and beside from what Franz said above Hell born after Velda gave up his Omnipotent so it wouldn't be considered he encompassed that. You can argue he can create something with his power at best
Hell is different from that void.
You said Hell was created after Velda's avatar means he had already have up his Omnipotent before hell was created?
No that's not how it works even DT made a thread for creation feats IIRC.
Veldanava “giving up omnipotence” is the moment he was created cause he is no longer part of god and therefore “gave it up”
so yes it existed after he was created.
So what is that other void you are even refering?
That's your own interpretation, unless you can give me a specific example of that happening, such as a if B and Not B are sub-dualities and B is derived from A, then how is Not B not derived from Not A.
That's not really how all-encompassing works.....
So it would fall under as his ability being able to create the Void nothing shows his existence being non existent here.Veldanava “giving up omnipotence” is the moment he was created cause he is no longer part of god and therefore “gave it up”
Nihility Banish/Parade is not just a summoning magic. Literally, the expression "manipulation of forbidden void" is used.
Subspace[that vega was trapped in]? It's the thing that was there before the non-omnipotent veldanava created everything[including even the great spirits], and also the thing that exists at the end of the world.
What you are misunderstanding is that god DID NOT BECOME veldanava. God still exists. Veldanava is just an avatar of god that still exists.
Just clarify one thing does hell existed when Velda was omnipotent or it was created after he created spirit of darkness?
Will add this to OP.
Space time void is the void veldanava was born into where Nothing exists. A true nonexistence. That had no concepts. Had nothing at all. And hell is a void of nonexistence.the world of darkness.born from the great spirits of darkness. The spacetime void/subspace lacks even the concept of nonexistence
God still exists and never lost his Omnipotence but created Veldanava instead. God is All-Encompassing.
Lol these are not the same contexts with God being called All-Encompassing.
Veldanava (the avatar) encompasses nothing at all and is the one who created GSoD while God encompasses everything.
Afterwards.
God is omnipotent and he still his.
A blank canvas.
should have just asked me on DC xDI had already said that but unfortunately I don't have the scans as always
Can I get the full context behind this or from which volume it is?
Blame Astral then
Vol 19 chapter 4 and that is the full context
But if the context itself says they do ,then those sub abilities should be treated as dualities
The subspace is nonexistence beyond the concept of nonexistentence. And hell is literally called the WORLD of darkness.with the great spirits governing it. Yet we know that hell is a void. Emptiness,Nhillity.Blame Astral then
He started arguments with GS darkness and linked that in page one.
I agree with NEP type 1 with Subspace arguments if you are trying to argue God encompasses the whole verse including Subspace. But it wouldn't be granting NEP type 2 though. Do you have scans for God predating subspace also?
Anyway if you are main arguments are based on Subspace drop the great spirit arguments. Something born from a character≠ Character existence itself is same thing.
Haven't seen a scan. Only headcanons so far. So no
Uh the argument is that God predates Hell which must be NEP 1. Subspace must be NEP 2 considering that GSoD defines nonexistence.Blame Astral then
He started arguments with GS darkness and linked that in page one.
I agree with NEP type 1 with Subspace arguments if you are trying to argue God encompasses the whole verse including Subspace. But it wouldn't be granting NEP type 2 though. Do you have scans for God predating subspace also?
Anyway if you are main arguments are based on Subspace drop the great spirit arguments. Something born from a character≠ Character existence itself is same thing.
They are literally called yin and yang. And it is in the cosmology page that was sent like 5 times
Where is this coming from?
So? I never denied it being a void. Read my replies again. I'm saying it was created by GS darkness so it's void stuff doesn't be granting any NEP to any characters. It was born from of the attributes nothing related to existence itself.
