TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 2

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think this is the Original Thread?

I don't really care about Tensura anymore, but maybe you should check out the previous Thread.

I was there when the upgrade was done. Maybe I didn't comment—I don’t know. But I do know why it was accepted. Check my OP. The complete erasure on the regeneration page was added this year, so the arguments presented in that thread are not the same as those in my OP.

Also, bringing Veldora's Dragon Form into this topic is wrong and hilarious. If you watched the Tensura Season 2, precisely when Hinata casting Disintegration, you should know that the range of Disintegration is not as big as Veldora's body size. Even Trinity Disintegration wasn't as big as Veldora's body size

You are taking what I said in the OP out of context. I've already explained it multiple times in this thread, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Besides, that's not even the main argument for the downgrade. Different interpretations are presented, rather than complete erasure, which is not the most likely interpretation in this case for various reasons.

As long as a few people and the staffs understand it, that's enough for me.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Mid godly should be good

 

[Hellscream]

You still need to be able to recover from total erasure to gain mid godly.
With what's i've seen that's being argued here, he's never even regenerated from total erasure which doesn't even qualify for Mid-Godly.
Unless if there's proof of him regening from him having his body, soul and mind being completely erased.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

With what's i've seen that's being argued here, he's never even regenerated from total erasure which doesn't even qualify for Mid-Godly.
Unless if there's proof of him regening from him having his body, soul and mind being completely erased

The condition is that infinite regen can keep working as long as the core[beyond the body, mind and soul] is not destroyed.
That is self-sufficient to conclude that provided no contradictions state otherwise.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

I will remain neutral, although Eikichi's opinion seems fine.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I believe I had this contention before.

But conceded cause of the fact that Diablo can indeed regenerate regardless of infinite regeneration and Rimuru at that point his regenerations are far better than Diablo

Regarding earlier versions, I still find infinite regeneration a bit questionable, especially pre-demon Lord Kimura, because it did require a backup to save gluttony. Furthermore, skills are also information.

Though I wanna ask which profiles still uses this justification because afaik anything pre demon lord rimuru are either low godly or high and spirits are mid godly overtime or something

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I believe I had this contention before.

But conceded cause of the fact that Diablo can indeed regenerate regardless of infinite regeneration and Rimuru at that point his regenerations are far better than Diablo

Well Diablo Regeneration doesn't comes from infinite Regeneration. He is also stated to be special case so that argument wouldn't have had value.

Regarding earlier versions, I still find infinite regeneration a bit questionable, especially pre-demon Lord Kimura, because it did require a backup to save gluttony. Furthermore, skills are also information.

Though I wanna ask which profiles still uses this justification because afaik anything pre demon lord rimuru are either low godly or high and spirits are mid godly overtime or something

So far Rimuru and Shion has this. Idk if any other profiles.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

So far Rimuru and Shion has this. Idk if any other profiles.

which key on rimuru i only saw High Godly but that was with Soul Corridor for Demon slime which is where it was already upgraded in the first place
furthermore there is also the food chain in effect at that point already so Diablo being under rimuru during Demon slime key would make sense for him to have high godly

As for shion I also see it only after Demon lord transformation key which is her last key

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

which key on rimuru i only saw High Godly but that was with Soul Corridor for Demon slime which is where it was already upgraded in the first place

There is only one high godly in his profile which is based on infinite regeneration

furthermore there is also the food chain in effect at that point already so Diablo being under rimuru during Demon slime key would make sense for him to have high godly

Unless it’s stated that Rimuru possesses Diablo's regeneration ability, there’s no point in assuming he has it. I’m fairly certain it’s connected to Diablo's physiology and uniqueness, rather than being a skill anyone can copy. Raphael never mentioned using Diablo's regeneration. If she had, it should have been stated, or if anyone has scans, they could add it to his profile. Nonetheless, this thread is focused solely on the infinite regeneration skill. So, it doesn’t change the fact that infinite regeneration lacks the feats or statements to prove it can regenerate from complete erasure.

As for shion I also see it only after Demon lord transformation key which is her last key

Same as Rimuru only one regeneration in her profile.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Unless it’s stated that Rimuru possesses Diablo's regeneration ability, there’s no point in assuming he has it. I’m fairly certain it’s connected to Diablo's physiology and uniqueness, rather than being a skill anyone can copy. Raphael never mentioned using Diablo's regeneration. If she had, it should have been stated, or if anyone has scans, they could add it to his profile. Nonetheless, this thread is focused solely on the infinite regeneration skill. So, it doesn’t change the fact that infinite regeneration lacks the feats or statements to prove it can regenerate from complete erasure.

Pretty sure Diablo's regen isn't due to a skill, it's via him being a primordial demon; primordial demons can come back even if their heart core is destroyed, which I think is due to their close link to the Great Spirit of Darkness.
Diablo is a special case in that he can come back instantly, and that is indeed meant to be taken as literal. But the regenerative ability itself is due to his nature as a primordial.

Regarding whether Rimuru can copy it or not; I think he can. Rimuru, as shown in Volume 1, gains the very nature [non-skill related] of the being he mimics, but under the condition that he also mimics their form; For instance, he copied Ifrit's conceptual nature as a spirit despite Rimuru at the time not being a spiritual lifeform himself.

However, there is, of course, a limitation, that being that he can only do this to beings he has fully analyzed. Although that shouldn't be a problem here since Diablo is Rimuru's subordinate and connected to him via food chain [and, if my memory serves correctly, soul corridor as well].

Though all this is unrelated to the thread in question, I thought I ought to clear it out in case anyone was wondering.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Bump.

I removed the Veldora content from the OP, as it was confusing for most people. However, I kept the other points as they were. I'll ask Elizha, DDM, and Ant to comment here, as they previously agreed with the revision.

 

[Dereck03]

I was asked to comment here but well, it's seems that everyone here reached a consensus and that HGR is replaced with MGR. So yeah.

 

[GarrixianXD]

@Antvasima @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa I was asked you tag you guys.

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Bump, how many votes do we still need?

 

[Vietthai96]

Bump, how many votes do we still need?

HGR revision, a controversial ability, so at least 3 staffs with voting right, two admins already voted, so one more left

 

[CelestialVortex01]

HGR revision, a controversial ability, so at least 3 staffs with voting right, two admins already voted, so one more left

Tysm

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Well, its regeneration level should be debated; I guess it could be low godly or mid godly

Say, if there just to happens to be some new context that could give him HGR, but not via Infinite regen, for the same key, do I have to open another thread or just send it here? [it's a lot]

 

[Hellscream]

The condition is that infinite regen can keep working as long as the core[beyond the body, mind and soul] is not destroyed.
That is self-sufficient to conclude that provided no contradictions state otherwise.

That's good and all, but has rimuru actually done this or is that purely speculation?
With your arguments, the implication seems to be that the "infinite regeneraiton" skill is in the core.
However, that doesn't just mean that he can regenerate from having his physical body completely obliterated without further proof.
Where is it stated that the condition is that infintie regen keeps working as long as the core exists, and not a physical aspect of his body?

With what's shown, i disagree with Mid godly until further proof is shown

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

That's good and all, but has rimuru actually done this or is that purely speculation?
With your arguments, the implication seems to be that the "infinite regeneraiton" skill is in the core.
However, that doesn't just mean that he can regenerate from having his physical body completely obliterated without further proof.
Where is it stated that the condition is that infintie regen keeps working as long as the core exists, and not a physical aspect of his body?

For that, we already know from Raphael's part that even if disintegration destroyed his physical body completely, infinite regen can simply regenerate it back instantly.
The statement is also after Rimuru and Raphael have already experienced Disintegration/Melt Slash already, so it's not purely speculations since by that time, Raphael has fully analyzed Melt Slash and gained a copy of it for Rimuru himself as well.

You do not need explicit feats as long as the statements themselves are from a trustworthy source and have a solid ground.

 

[Hellscream]

For that, we already know from Raphael's part that even if disintegration destroyed his physical body completely, infinite regen can simply regenerate it back instantly

You do not need explicit feats as long as the statements themselves are from a trustworthy source and have a solid ground.

Would you mind posting the required proof for that? as in, the statement.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Would you mind posting the required proof for that? as in, the statement.

I'm pretty sure the OP already gave those scans from the start, but sure:

Dude, don’t clam up on me, you bastard! I can totally picture you reacting like “Oh no, Rimuru got me” just now! Your silence is telling me everything I need to know!

Although… Wait a second. I know Raphael isn’t the type to take dangerous risks, but…could I have, like, survived a Meltslash blow without having to cancel it out with Belzebuth?

Understood. Of course. You lost a great deal of magical energy, but your material body could have been instantly reconstructed with Infinite Regeneration.
—OTL Light Novel; Volume 7, Chapter 6: Gods and Demon Lords

If you think it's a mistranslation, here's the RAWs:

解当然です大量に 魔素量を そ 損 したでしょうが マテリアルボディ 物質体は 無限再生で即時復活が可能でした

Of course, the you would have lost a great deal of its magical energy, but the material body would have been able to instantaneously regenerate itself with infinite regeneration.
—JP Light Novel; Volume 7, Chapter 6: Gods and Demon Lords

Also, this is under the assumption that Rimuru took a direct hit from Disintegration, the OTL simply missed the Kanji for that term:

え？でも…… ちょっと待てよ？ ラファエル 智慧之王先生が危険な賭けを行うとは思えない しもしかして……
── 別にベルゼビュト 暴食之王で相殺しなくてもメルトスラッシュ 崩魔霊子斬の直撃で俺が 死ぬ事はなかったとか？

Huh? Although..... wait a minute...? I know Raphael, Wisdom King, isn't going to take a risky gamble, perhaps....
Even if I didn't offset it with Beelzebuth, Lord of Gluttony, could I not have been killed by a direct hit from Melt Slash?
—JP Light Novel; Volume 7, Chapter 6; Gods and Demon Lords

The OTL missed the Kanji "直撃", which means "Direct Hit". Yes, the assumption that Rimuru would have survived Melt Slash via Infinite Regeneration was based on a "Direct Hit" principle, not some "Could have been dodged" one. Melt Slash, under this assumption, would have really destroyed Rimuru, Soul and All.

 

[Dereck03]

You do not need explicit feats as long as the statements themselves are from a trustworthy source and have a solid ground.

Yes, we do admit statements about something that has not happened but is somehow known to be a general truth, of course it must be backed up by reliable sources in verse and not have anti-feats that can disregard the statement as waffling.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yes, we do admit statements about something that has not happened but is somehow known to be a general truth, of course it must be backed up by reliable sources in verse and not have anti-feats that can disregard the statement as waffling.

Yep.
Which, in this case, is from a, if not the most, reliable source in-verse.
I don't remember it having anti-feats either.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Say, if there just to happens to be some new context that could give him HGR, but not via Infinite regen, for the same key, do I have to open another thread or just send it here? [it's a lot]

Yeah a new thread needs to created.
Anyway I'll apply the changes later for this thread

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Yeah a new thread needs to created.
Anyway I'll apply the changes later for this thread

It is still technically based on infinite regen .just that only rimuru can do it. All it would need is a little rewording.

 

[Dereck03]

It may seem that being a similar topic it can be discussed here, but this thread already served its purpose and was accepted. Besides this thread is already long enough and it is better to create another one.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It may seem that being a similar topic it can be discussed here, but this thread already served its purpose and was accepted. Besides this thread is already long enough and it is better to create another one.

I share the same opinion. However, under that scenario, I suppose the 3 month time limit need not be applied in that case? [since there's new context that wasn't addressed before, and in a way, its not related to infinite regen itself]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It may seem that being a similar topic it can be discussed here, but this thread already served its purpose and was accepted. Besides this thread is already long enough and it is better to create another one.

Close this thread.

I'm busy right now I'll apply the changes tomorrow.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Close this thread.

I'm busy right now I'll apply the changes tomorrow.

Doesn’t it need 3 mods?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Doesn’t it need 3 mods?

3 is good but 2 admin votes is enough when even knowledgeable members of the verse is fine with it.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

3 is good but 2 admin votes is enough when even knowledgeable members of the verse is fine with it.

He gon close it without answering the question

 

[Berga14]

3 is good but 2 admin votes is enough when even knowledgeable members of the verse is fine with it.

Is this true? I don't remember something like that, can you share where was this stated?
Also i the knowledgable member is bringing up new things and the others disagree .

 

[CodeCCLL]

He didn't say it was a rule. 2 staff is enough, more is just safer, that's all.

Close this thread.

I'm busy right now I'll apply the changes tomorrow.

Actually, we close the thread after applying the changes.

 

[Fixxed]

3 is good but 2 admin votes is enough when even knowledgeable members of the verse is fine with it.

It was 3 actually, HGR and MGR are controversial ability. Need 3 staff for this to apply

 

[CodeCCLL]

It was 3 actually, HGR and MGR are controversial ability. Need 3 staff for this to apply

There is no written rule that controversial abilities need approval from 3 staff members; in practice it often depends on how controversial the proposals for the abilities in question are.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah Mid-Godly makes sense from the OP.