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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Bahaha said:
Doesn't Shion have passive causality manipulation letting her always strike first, and as previously asked before:
Velzard should have resistance negation with envious king leviathan which degrades/lowers the power of every skill(resistances included) even if they are above Leviathan to be below Leviathan. Leviathan also worked against Velgyrnd's God skill.
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it is likely
 
Peak said:
In WN he's probably the 2nd most powerful in the series, so it's not really weird
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the strange thing I say, is because within the story of Slime, he is always portrayed as inferior to these characters I mentioned, as if he has no chance of winning any of them in a fight, especially his sisters
 
Thunderian said:
Otherwise, Masayuki (Rudra) will be the strongest character in terms of Attack Potency. Masayuki's Attack Potency is High 3-A (High Universal Level) because he is able to use Absolute Defense (which is the application of Infinite Prison aka Infinite Space) as an attack. His Lifting Strenght will also be Infinite which will really make him the strongest.

Leave that damn Star Level, Masayuki who is a high school student will solo all the characters in Tensura (except Veldanava) if you are still stuck in that.
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wdym, Rudra does solos the verse
 
Bahaha said:
Doesn't Shion have passive causality manipulation letting her always strike first, and as previously asked before:
Velzard should have resistance negation with envious king leviathan which degrades/lowers the power of every skill(resistances included) even if they are above Leviathan to be below Leviathan. Leviathan also worked against Velgyrnd's God skill.
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Shion's passive causality manipulation is from her ultimate skill, so it can work on and negative higher level of acausality. With the broken timestop of Tensura, I can hopefully see Rimuru being used in debates again like pre-Anos era.

Should we make a tab of all of Rimuru's passives? There is too many from Akashic Records that sometimes we can forget a few ones unless we have a list to look at.
 
Mr_Nobody said:
I just found something new again on YouTube.

Rimuru LN - At the level of a being from the "Promised Land" - a world that considers all worlds, Spiritual World, the Cardinal World (a higher structure than other worlds) and the realms transcendent of time to be dream/fiction.

<<Even an Ultimate Skill can be changed at will, giving Velgrind freedom and making the Power stronger, or evolving to a higher realm.>>(LN vol.15 Epilogue)

<<Velgrind after leaving Rimuru, she flew to another world transcendent of time, where she successfully reunited with a Parallel Existence, to which Feldway sent her to an unknown place.

In a place where there is neither atmosphere nor earth, Velgrind floats with the flow, not feeling the time.

If Velgrind wasn't a True Dragon, she would have died there. But she had "spatial dominance" and an infinite lifespan.>>

(LN vol.15 Epilogue) (at least Low 1-C(5D))

<<Velgrind had a series of encounters and goodbyes.

Through it all, Velgrind came to understand that there is no single world that Veldanava has created.

He created many worlds.

There was one world, and there were no parallel worlds. But there were other worlds.

There were ‘otherworlders,’ so she was aware of that fact, but Velgrind had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.

They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations/dimensions.(Spiritual world - at least 6D. The Spiritual world also includes worlds transcending time.)

From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.

There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict.

Velgrind had traveled through all those worlds.

But all of it was not of her own intention, but by what she was guided to.

There were different levels of civilizations/dimensions, and Velgrind had no way of guessing which dimension or timeline she was in. Also, because parallel universes do not overlap, it is impossible for the same entity to overlap on the same timeline.(There are two different translations with dimensions or civilizations, but you can choose at your discretion)

In other words, just because you went there once does not mean you can go to the same place.

If the Velgrind exists in the same dimension at the same time, the exact space-time coordinates can be recognized. However, as there is already a Velgrind at that time, ‘Spacetime Leap’ cannot be used to jump there, even with the Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King (Cthugha).’

So Velgrind remembered all worlds, all of Rudra.

The fleet commander of the interstellar world.

The minister of a small country in the world of swords and magic.

The rare scammer in the world without magic.

The poor scientist in the civilized world.

Velgrind is often called upon at moments of crisis when one who possesses a fragment of Rudra’s ‘soul’ is in danger. It is only when he is on the verge of death that his soul shines forth.

Some people died as children because they couldn’t get help in time. It was a very sad event, but Velgrind is convinced that it was fate.

And there was no need to mourn, because then the soul shards would gather quickly.

But she didn’t take it upon herself to hasten the time. It was the Velgrind’s pleasure to watch over Rudras of various personalities.>> (LN vol.17 Part 2) (Dimensions of different levels.(at least Low 1-C(6D), possible 1B mb nlf))

Granbell who was from the Promised Land turned into a Fictional Entity when summoned to the Cardinal World. This is like saying the relationship between Promised Land and Cardinal World is like Reality and Fiction. (This was confirmed either in 11 or 12 volumes by Mariabel reunited with Granbell in the Promised Land.)

<<The Granbell here was nothing more than a fictional entity with an actual body. In fact, the sword he had just given to Hinata had also been recreated held in his hand.

The ability to summon past champions in the form of entities of the same nature as ‘Digital Lifeforms.’ This was the essence of the Ultimate Skill ‘King of Heroes’ that Masayuki had awakened.>> (LN vol. 19 Part 4) (at least 7D, Possible Low 1-A)

Before you say that how can Velgrind be 5D if she can't move in a Suspended world and blah blah blah... I will answer this question further.

Time Stop resistance is not enough as Suspended World in itself is not a mere "Time Stop". I can't fully answer this because the true abilities of Suspended World was still not fully explained and show but based on what have been shown this is at least the abilities in vs battles or debates that characters need to have to be able to move inside it are... - Information Manipulation(type 2)/Conceptual Manipulation(type 1), Abstract Existence(type 1), Time Stop Resistance, Acausality (Probably the strongest version(5 type) as even Velgrynd(she has type 1-4) who was freed from the System could still not move but only think inside it), and Space-Time Manipulation.

I will list all the advantages and benifits of Suspended World.

Suspended World nulls all laws of physics because everything is Stop or Suspended, even abilties are supposed to be null too that is why Rimuru is surprised when Chloe used her abilities to Micheal but that is nothing to be surprised about as Chloe Ultimate Skill is literally Lord of Space-Time or now God of Space-Time after it evolved.

You can actually used a Magic as proven that Diablo did it but you need to prepared it beforehand and even if you actually prepared it, a Suspended World user can just null o destroyed it and kill you without a problem and just like you said there are no concepts of defense so matter how tough and durable you are just one tap will finish you.

There is also no gravity.

And also the fact that Suspended World affect all Worlds and dimensions means there is no escape and you can't run anywhere.

There is also the fact that Digital Lifeforms basically so fast and could exist across all Worlds as long as they send thee coordinates. Now why did I say so fast exactly? In fact, it's not about being fast, Digital Lifeforms are Creatures that are Informational Particles, and Space-Time does not affect them, they also move instantaneously in time. Now why did I say they could exist across all Worlds? It say that Suspended World affects all Worlds so if an Digital Lifeform used Suspended World they could send Information Particles basically everywhere without problems.
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Damm man..i guess another there is another me now...
 
LoganKroos said:
You said what I was going to say now lmao, Veldora is the one with the most broken passives by far, he kills almost all the primordial angels and demons just with his presence, only Fedway and Guy resist it
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Well I doubt if he can kill all of them with his presence alone .That would've true if it was WN after stories veldora but I don't think it's true in LN yet .
 
Bahaha said:
Doesn't Shion have passive causality manipulation letting her always strike first
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doesn't have it on her profile though
Bahaha said:
Velzard should have resistance negation with envious king leviathan which degrades/lowers the power of every skill(resistances included) even if they are above Leviathan to be below Leviathan. Leviathan also worked against Velgyrnd's God skill
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This looks like stat reduction to me
 
Diablo_ said:
Well I doubt if he can kill all of them with his presence alone .That would've true if it was WN after stories veldora but I don't think it's true in LN yet .
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Veldora light novel has Conceptual Death/Existential Erasure and Probability Manipulation, he takes them just with easy presence, but Guy and Fedway stomp him
 
Diablo_ said:
Well I doubt if he can kill all of them with his presence alone .That would've true if it was WN after stories veldora but I don't think it's true in LN yet .
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LN Veldora is still trampled by many beings, but that should change in the next volume, we don't know Veldora's level after receiving the ultimate skill evolution
 
Peak said:
in the new translation it says that Velgrynd went to a world that transcends time, it may not be exactly a temporal direction
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That's still basically the same as before because the space between universes would transcend the space-time of the Cardinal World
 
LoganKroos said:
Seriously? because I always thought that your aura also destroys the opponent's souls
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well but even if he doesn't, apart from the two freaks, I don't think another primordial can resist his aura, even when Veldora didn't control his aura right he almost kills the dino and Ramires if the dino and rimuru didn't create barriers for them
 
Peak said:
doesn't have it on her profile though
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Should be added then
Peak said:
This looks like stat reduction to me
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stat reduction would mean decreasing physical ap, stamina, and durability, right?
However, her ultimate skill reduces/degrades skills, from abilities to resistances, to be lower than her skills. Her ultimate skill even states it will degrade skills that are higher than hers, and it worked on Velgyrnd's God skill (if I remember correctly). Skills contain abilities and resistances in Tensura, so that means she should get resistance negation for degrading those skills/resistances (like battle system from Instant Death) to be lower or at least for being able to affect skills and resistances that should be greater than her Envious King.
 
Community_Gamer said:
That's still basically the same as before because the space between universes would transcend the space-time of the Cardinal World
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the question is how to differentiate this from a 5d world, furthermore i'm curious to know the importance of all this about worlds, if it was any other anime i would think "this is definitely something that will be better addressed", but it is Tensura, a verse focused on world building and even the smallest things will have some explanation, so I don't doubt that Fuse puts it all just to give more immersion to the world and in the end nothing happens, I mean, at the very least Rimuru should get some upgrade at the end of spacetime
 
LoganKroos said:
Seriously? because I always thought that your aura also destroys the opponent's souls
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Yes, the aura has existence erasure, but existence erasure is not conceptual (I found out a few days ago when Community and Catpija showed that they are separate powers 🥲), conceptual death is part of Veldora's martial arts while existence erasure is aura, although there is nothing saying that he can focus the aura to erase the opponent, but I still believe he has
 
Also how do you think the soul really is in the light novel?
my take:
A soul has a nucleus/core/heart which hosts their entire information and concepts, and it is covered by the soul. The inner coating is the spiritual body, while the outer coating is the ego/memories/weak spiritual body.
Power from the nucleus become the will power of a person/power of the soul which allows them to do extraordinary things and manipulate/break the laws governing the world. Characters in the Cardinal World states that this is an authority given to every individual by Veldanava.
The power of the soul lets individuals gain powers or resistances depending on their circumstances leading them to awaken will from their nucleus/core/heart. This power can anything, like telekinesis and creation abilities from Yuuki pre-isekai, however the Voice of the World translates and lets the individual know what their powers are actually, by translating them as skills. This lets the individual know what ability have been engraved into their soul by their nucleus/core/heart, as Veldanava wanted to see his creations improve.
The power from the nucleus/core/heart can strength and increase the soul, whenever a character gains will/soul power. This allows for the creation of Ultimate Skills, which are the pinnacle of will/soul power with ultimate resistances and abilities. Understanding the world laws, gaining enough soul power/energy (either by consuming souls/True Demon Lords, or evolving their soul by emotions (will power)/True Heroes), and having a strong will for something.
The Ultimate Skill will correspond to a person's strong wishes (like otherworlders before death), element, and nucleus/core/heart concept. Such as controlling the concept of patience by Velzard because her element and personality wants everything to freeze. transcending space and time for Velgrynd + concept of acceleration because she her wish to find Rudra transcends space and time, added with her fiery personality and element. Veldora is investigation king as he wants to investigate the truth of the world, and probability manipulation for his chaotic personality/attribute. Masayuki wanted to be a hero and so he got what he wanted, etc., etc. Rudra wanted to protect everyone he cared about = Uriel defense lord.

tldr: a soul is made out of nucleus/core/heart/conceptual existence + the actual soul (spiritual body and ego). Will power/power of the soul generate from the Nucleus and are transformed into skills by the VotW. Skills evolve the more you draw from the nucleus/core/heart, and of course the size of the soul limits the number of skills one can have.

THIS IS MY TAKE ON THE SOUL OF TENSURA, because the nucleus and soul haven't been really well explained so anyone can have different explanations for the soul. I just want to know what you guys think of the soul.
 
Bahaha said:
Also how do you think the soul really is in the light novel?
my take:
A soul has a nucleus/core/heart which hosts their entire information and concepts, and it is covered by the soul. The inner coating is the spiritual body, while the outer coating is the ego/memories/weak spiritual body.
Power from the nucleus become the will power of a person/power of the soul which allows them to do extraordinary things and manipulate/break the laws governing the world. Characters in the Cardinal World states that this is an authority given to every individual by Veldanava.
The power of the soul lets individuals gain powers or resistances depending on their circumstances leading them to awaken will from their nucleus/core/heart. This power can anything, like telekinesis and creation abilities from Yuuki pre-isekai, however the Voice of the World translates and lets the individual know what their powers are actually, by translating them as skills. This lets the individual know what ability have been engraved into their soul by their nucleus/core/heart, as Veldanava wanted to see his creations improve.
The power from the nucleus/core/heart can strength and increase the soul, whenever a character gains will/soul power. This allows for the creation of Ultimate Skills, which are the pinnacle of will/soul power with ultimate resistances and abilities. Understanding the world laws, gaining enough soul power/energy (either by consuming souls/True Demon Lords, or evolving their soul by emotions (will power)/True Heroes), and having a strong will for something.
The Ultimate Skill will correspond to a person's strong wishes (like otherworlders before death), element, and nucleus/core/heart concept. Such as controlling the concept of patience by Velzard because her element and personality wants everything to freeze. transcending space and time for Velgrynd + concept of acceleration because she her wish to find Rudra transcends space and time, added with her fiery personality and element. Veldora is investigation king as he wants to investigate the truth of the world, and probability manipulation for his chaotic personality/attribute. Masayuki wanted to be a hero and so he got what he wanted, etc., etc. Rudra wanted to protect everyone he cared about = Uriel defense lord.

tldr: a soul is made out of nucleus/core/heart/conceptual existence + the actual soul (spiritual body and ego). Will power/power of the soul generate from the Nucleus and are transformed into skills by the VotW. Skills evolve the more you draw from the nucleus/core/heart, and of course the size of the soul limits the number of skills one can have.

THIS IS MY TAKE ON THE SOUL OF TENSURA, because the nucleus and soul haven't been really well explained so anyone can have different explanations for the soul. I just want to know what you guys think of the soul.
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that's basically it, the core and soul issue was explained in volume 13/14/16/18, as long as your core isn't destroyed or your magicules run out, you can't die(that if you can think like a soul and also be a spiritual life form)that if you can think like a soul and also be a spiritual life form)
 
Peak said:
that's basically it, the core and soul issue was explained in volume 13/14/16/18, as long as your core isn't destroyed or your magicules run out, you can't die(that if you can think like a soul and also be a spiritual life form)that if you can think like a soul and also be a spiritual life form)
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Yet is there any definite statement of the core? Like what is the core actually? I also see nucleus and heart being used instead of core sometimes.
Why do you gain abilities from the core? How is it different from the soul, like it contains information of the person but what kind of information? Why has no one character tried to change or manipulate their core? What is the essence of a skill, and how is it different from the core of a person.
 
Bahaha said:
Yet is there any definite statement of the core? Like what is the core actually? I also see nucleus and heart being used instead of core sometimes.
Why do you gain abilities from the core? How is it different from the soul, like it contains information of the person but what kind of information? Why has no one character tried to change or manipulate their core? What is the essence of a skill, and how is it different from the core of a person.
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I'll answer better tomorrow because I'm going to sleep now, but here's Rimuru's explanation about the core and soul
Whether it belongs to a human being or a monster, all souls have a set quality and quantity. It is composed of matter known as data particles, and through managing and applying certain forces to them, it’s possible to control life and death to some extent.

The souls of plants and animals house only a very tiny amount of energy. Human souls, meanwhile, have tons and tons. We’ve already confirmed that a certain amount is given to everyone equally, and the ability to fully hardness that soul energy leads to the manifestation of soul powers—or what we call special skills. This data, engraved in your soul since birth, is the source of those powers.

So is the data written directly onto this energy? Not exactly. First, there’s the ego, a set of amorphous wavelengths within the soul, and the group of data particles that surrounds it. This is known as the heart, and that’s where all the data is stored. The crystallized energy that covers this heart is what we call the soul.-Volume 13, Epilogue
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and yes, core and heart are the same, the heart does not refer to the biological heart, but rather to the core within the soul
 
JV_DLS said:
So who will be responsible for updating and profiling volumes 13, 14 and 15?
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volume 15 can only be used in vsb next month when the official translation is released, volume 13-14 has already been applied and the profiles we can see how it will be when the time comes
 
Diablo_ said:
I wanted Rimuru to get as strong as possible before that so that he could completely stomp him .Anyways let's see how it turns out

Oops !I was supposed to be quoting Tempest dragon ...Sorry there
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I think you were referring to Rimuru vs Xeno Goku, so yes I agree, Tempestdragon6 jumped in, we had to wait for Rimuru to get as OP as possible so he doesn't have a chance
 
Peak said:
I think you were referring to Rimuru vs Xeno Goku, so yes I agree, Tempestdragon6 jumped in, we had to wait for Rimuru to get as OP as possible so he doesn't have a chance
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could at least have waited for the 2-A range update to be done, but I also want to see what this will lead to
 
Peak said:
I think you were referring to Rimuru vs Xeno Goku, so yes I agree, Tempestdragon6 jumped in, we had to wait for Rimuru to get as OP as possible so he doesn't have a chance
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By the way what are the things we have against keysword ?It was a big trouble last time.
It's a Layered 4-D passive power null that's why I wanted to wait a bit ...

Xeno is tougher than you think we may lose again if we don't at least finish the current upgrades .
 
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Peak said:
If it was universal then why doesn't Fuse use the word "universal" as he does for planets and stars? He's never really made a statement saying it's universal but always emphasizes how awesome it is to destroy a few stars, I disagree and I still think it's a star 🗿
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What the heck is that logic, isn't it literally Fuse' pattern, you mfs still haven't gotten used to it? Fuse have allergies to the word "Universe" or "Infinite"

And his favourite word is "Shattering Stars" (even tho they weren't even fighting in outerspace lmao) and "Dozens of Times faster than Sound".
 
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