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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20
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CodeCCLL
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By the way, if Veldanava and Ivaraj are comparable to each other, wouldn't feats like Seven Angels of Origin and Guy Crimson somehow being able to fight Ivaraj and Guy Crimson being able to fight Veldanava become notable?
To me, this seems like a pretty good argument for making the Low 1-C scaling of these top tier characters beyond doubt. So, even for someone who thinks that top tier characters are not Low 1-C, despite everything shown so far, a scenario where an angry character scaled to a countless Low 1-C structures is forced to be exiled to another dimension by eight fodder (3D AP) must be unacceptable.
To me, this seems like a pretty good argument for making the Low 1-C scaling of these top tier characters beyond doubt. So, even for someone who thinks that top tier characters are not Low 1-C, despite everything shown so far, a scenario where an angry character scaled to a countless Low 1-C structures is forced to be exiled to another dimension by eight fodder (3D AP) must be unacceptable.
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I don’t know about Guy tho but since when Seven angels of origins have 3-D AP when their nature as primordial beings innately has ultimate level power without an ultimate skill via Administrative Authority?
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He talks about the recently made attempt at a downgrade (a stupidity).
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bruh
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Yesterday they emphasized that it looks like they are going to try again, so be prepared with scans in hand.
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I’m more curious of where he get that primordial angels (possibly daemons too) to have a 3-D AP when they have Administrative Authority in the first place?
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I think the awakened form of Ivarage is comparabIe to VeIdanava. After aII, his former seIf was one-shoted by VeIdanava and seaIed inside another Dimension, so assuming his base form that guy fought can be comparabIe wouId not do the justice
WeII, not exactIy 3D AP, that is just nonsense tbh. Tho one thing is sure, the ivarage of the start did not scaIe to countIess Iow 1-C structures. Maybe a few, yeah, but definiteIy not countIess. After aII, given that Fuze said Guy couId destroy a Iow 1-C WorId if he wanted to, its normaI for Ivarage to scaIe above him and stuff.
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The argument for primordiaI demons is even stronger tbh, given they can onIy be harmed by UItimate SkiIIs. Damrada had to fuse his uItimate enchantment in each of his attack just to be abIe to harm UItima.
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Where is it said that Veldanava take one shot?
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He oneshot guy and guy couldn’t do anything to ivarage from what I remember . No one but veldanava could.
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Veldanava defeated Guy overwhelmingly, but he also praised Guy for being strong enough to fight him, so they should definitely be a little-little comparable in my opinion. Also Guy and Origin Angels fought with Ivaraj for 3 months even though were 8 vs 1 and Ivaraj sealed by Veldanava after Ivaraj was forced to escape to another dimension.
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The biggest problem for me is that this Ivarage seems a lot weaker.
It may have been fine if this feat was done after Ivarage's first evolution, much more the 2nd one...
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It is not known how strong Ivaraj became after evolution, so what I said may be valid for now, although it is still dependent on Volume 22.
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Well, probably the statement claimed that is only innate towards “primordial being” it didn’t add the the word “angel” after so from that perspective we can say that primordial demons also have administrative authority due to them manage to acquire ultimate-level powers and the fact that damrada need to use the ultimate enchantment on ultima to even harm her even if ultima at that time haven’t acquired an ultimate skill yet.
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According to Guy himseIf, taIking to VeIdanava:
So, yeah, this is more of a one-shot than anything else. Its likely that he can do the same with Ivarage as well, given how Veldanava never evolved, strictly speaking, he only grew weaker and weaker, while Ivarage grew stronger and stronger.
Strong enough that her subordinates before she named them were comparable to Zalanus, yet those three beasts were still unconditionally following her. And after she named 3 of these Zalanus level beings, they became even stronger.
Yep. Though I must say, I think its just a matter of will-power. After all, in tensura, will-power is everything, that includes example of Zegion, who raised his body's attack and defense to Ultimate Class through pure will, and also includes Guy fighting against Velzard through sheer will even tho he only had a unique skill.
I think Angels were given administrative authority because their will-power is far weaker, but they need to be at least as strong as the primordial demons to match the balance. Its only after the angels acquired strong will upon Veldanava's death that said balance broke, like the power difference between Feldway and Guy Crimson.
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Idk what those scans are supposed to be for when the thing I quoted is on the page/part below your scan.
Allow me to send the image of the whole thing:
I dont need to get the translation of slimereader for this too, because I think you get what I mean from this, right? The thing I quoted is a page ahead of the scan you sent. In the pdf I have, your scan is in page 282, while mine is in 283.
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Then forget it...
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Only Rimuru WN is in 6D but his profile is in the middle of his rework, and it is possible that he will move to 1-A after that, so not for the moment.
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Solid High 1-A if 1-A world of darkness is accepted, but only ‘likely’ High 1-A if world of darkness is low 1-A
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Clayman
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Translated the leaks of Volume 22. Note that this is not a perfect translation, and certain names that were confusing to me are taken from Tensura Fandom. The descriptions of the creatures may not be as good as official translations, but I did my best.The Phantom Clan is a race with thousands of different characteristics. Most of these Phantoms are uncoordinated and do as they please. However, there are some sub-groups in which members share similar characteristics. They have high intelligence and protect each other, and form a group that can fight against even higher ranking existences.
This is proof that the Phantom Race, which has been fighting all the time following their instincts with no fear of death whatsoever also possesses some level of intelligence. As a result, it was inevitable that the Insectar Race would be derived from the Phantom Race.
And now...
‘Kya-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha...’
Ivarage, the ‘Destroyer’, gave rise to a cry of evolution. It was a new rebirth. The rainbow-color cocoon soon engulfed Ivarage and reconstructed her body.
For Spiritual lifeforms, the appearance and size of the body were adjustable. However, as an egoless entity, Ivarage had no actual form. Her energy accumulated, increasing even more as it gave off a terrorizing and evil feeling.
Ivarage underwent a noticeable change when it evolved. Its size was reduced to that of a human child.
The enormous creature of energy condensed into a child, her presence becoming unimaginably chaotic. Remnants of the rainbow-colored cocoon enveloping her jade-like glowing body as the skin revealed through the gaps, pure white and fresh, along with her pure white hair, which seems to swallow up the light, fluffy like dandelion fluff. Her cherry-red pretty lips twisted in an evil way -- her golden eyes giving the hint of intellect.
Ivarage's sentience blossomed when she acquired the emotion of ‘hatred’. As the incarnation of conscious and pure malice, Ivarage wanted to reveal her presence to the entire world.
But before that, Ivarage remembered. After acquiring emotions, her intellect grew rapidly. As a result of that intelligence, she understood that she had been abandoned.
She felt lonely and frustrated.
'Unforgivable.'
There was once a time when she existed as the Flawless and Perfect ‘’All-In-One‘’, the whole outside of which no thing existed.
Ivarage, who originally had no intellect, no senses, no feelings, was never anxious, never dissatisfied, never even bored. But after gaining intelligence, she realized that she was missing something, she remained as one-half of her original self.
That feeling of ethereal all-encompassing-ness was gone, and she was exposed to a reality she could not perceive the future.
Even so, since Ivarage had no intellect before, so she never felt dissatisfied. But that unpleasant sense of loss - of loneliness - that came over her now.... no matter what she did, she couldn't overcome it.
It was different now. Ivarage has gained an ego. She gained intellect and became aware of her situation as she gained emotions and swore revenge.
'If I have been abandoned, I just have to go back. If I swallow the whole world, everything, the being that abandoned me would surely return.'
To destroy Veldanava's creation, that became Ivarage's purpose..
Because the first emotion she gained was hatred, Ivarage was jealous of all creation. Therefore, she would not hesitate to destroy even the world itself.
When the Evil God awoke from her sleep, there was also a gate in front of her. A gate leading to another world - the ‘’Heavenly Star Palace‘’. Beyond this gate, an unknowable world was unfolding. Veldanava had created countless worlds, so if she destroyed and swallowed all of them them one by one, she might be able to satisfy her desires one day.
Ivarage dreamt of the pleasure while thinking of that happening. Her mood improved and she smiled pleasantly as certain beings responded to her. They were the Kings who ruled her army.
The beast that runs through the void of nothingness.
The bird that flies across Dimensions.
The fish that swims among the Stars.
They were the followers of the dreaming Ivarage, adoring the Chaos Dragon as their mother.
The Rulers of the Phantom Race who each alone could rival Zelanus, the former King of Insectars, were pleased by the evolution of the ‘Destroyer of Worlds’, Ivarage. The tyranny and might of these three beasts had become untouchable as a result of self-awakening, resulting in an unimaginable impact on all branches of their race.
[B]I'm so happy for you, my little ones. So this is what cutesy feels like....[/B]
Ivarage became delighted by her first ever feeling of joy, making her mood grow even happier. And with that enthusiasm, she wanted to bestow upon her followers gifts to make them happy as well.
[B]I'm going to grant you a gift![/B]
She gave one of them the name 'Kakaeshi' and bestowed upon it a gift, and did the same with the other two as well.
The bird that soars through Dimensions was given the name 'Habataki', embodying the desire of resentment.
The fish that swims among the stars was given the name 'Suiemu', representing hate. It was a pretty name, but it transmitted the evil intentions of the name-giver.
Upon the naming of the three beasts, who would have done anything for their mother, their loyalty was even more enhanced. Their loyalty went as far as the willing-ness to destroy themselves if it meant fulfilling their mother's wishes. Their evolution was complete, and forms were looking hideously wicked.
Kakeashi had the body of an enormous lion with the head of a dragon, with its entire body covered with dragon scales. Its tail, which was like a viper's and divided into eight sections, wriggled freely. It also has eyeballs all over its body, leaving no blind spots or openings, while viscous decomposing substances were radiated from the small spikes, forming a mist. Even if it was a Demon lord, even if they merely came in contact with Kakaeshi's aura, they would face death on spot.
Habataki was a two-headed creature, both male and female simultaneously. It was an elegant spectral bird with an eagle-like style and a feathered peacock tail. Its entire body was covered with metallic feathers of Hihirokane, the Ultimate Metal, giving it a golden glow. Its appearance seemed more mechanical and inorganic rather than biological. Upon close inspection, it could be seen that even the feathers were pure metal.
Suiemu had the most bizarre form. It was a fish monster with a mysterious feeling, akin to a squid with a pointed tip. There was no actual head, but numerous tentacles sprout from its round torso located in the middle of its body. If one looks from up close, they can see that each tentacle had fine joints, allowing them to move freely. Its whole body was covered with pure Allionium steel, with its collection of small mutant organisms forming a swarm.
There are no similarities between the three, but they all had one thing in common, their alien and bizarre nature. They were not even living creatures, with their irregular features being part of their existence.
The same was true for their subordinates. The higher ranking the beings were in the subordinate-chain, the more irregular features they inherited from their rulers. These monsters had more terrorizing and irregular features as compared to those born naturally from the ruler's magic essence. It was the same case as with the process of naming and evolution.
Countless illusory creatures steeped with malice had evolved into unfathomably evil beings. The higher ranking veterans with their ferocious might easily surpassed Disaster Class. These veterans numbered around a hundred, and the totality of the army numbered around ten thousand. The hordes of the Phantom Race centered around Ivarage, the World Destroying Dragon, the Evil God that heralds the end of existence.
[B]This is fun... very fun.... Come on, let's go play♪[/B], Ivarage ordered.
She was smiling, but that smile did not reach her eyes. She firmly stared at the ‘Heavenly Star Palace’ and starts to move without a sound. With hatred in her eyes the one who had left her behind, Ivarage descended on the ‘Heavenly Star Palace’, vowing to make up for everything she has lost.
Normally, the Heaven's Gate connected to the Cardinal World is completely closed, and the only way to pass through it is through the ‘key’, but for some reason, the Heaven's Gate was open at the moment. Dagruel, the gatekeeper, was also absent, allowing anyone to pass through.
Even more so - a tremendous shock reaching even the ‘Heavenly Star Palace’ was coming from the other side through the ‘Heavenly Tower’, which was located just beyond Heaven's Gate.
This was the side effect Milim using her Drago Nova. The interior of the ‘Heavenly Tower’ was completely destroyed, with there being a big hole in each floor of the building, making it possible for the army to pass through without any problem.
[B]Kyahaha... let the fun begin![/B]
No one could stand in Ivarage's way. With the forces of the Hell behind her, the innocent Evil God walked into the Cardinal World. And as soon as she crossed the gate...
‘I have found you!’
Ivarage sensed fragments scattered across the Cardinal World. It were the signatures of those who were once associated with the ‘Star King Dragon’ Veldanava.
Ivarage laughed as she vowed to destroy the world, filled with hatred towards those whom Veldanava loved.
The army of the Evil God resonated with her wishes, swallowing up everything in its path to devour the world and return to the ‘ All-In-One ’ once more.
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I think we now have sufficient evidence(that will be after volume 22 is completely translated) to separate Veldenava and god's key or should we add god's key to Ivarage's page? I personally think god should have his own page.Have you seen this?
The One
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Both should have God’s key since Veldanava and Ivarage are both halves of the will/manifestation/avatar of the Godhead
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Can an infor particle have AE type 1 concept ,info typ 2 and law?
Information is the foundation of the world and all that infor is contained in the info particles forming the core this make the particles a fundamental unit of existence itself ,you cant access that information without accessing the info particles,even laws such as skills have info particles that contain the information itself
Information is the foundation of the world and all that infor is contained in the info particles forming the core this make the particles a fundamental unit of existence itself ,you cant access that information without accessing the info particles,even laws such as skills have info particles that contain the information itself
Wasn't the scaling chain also based on desires or willpower?
Characters like demoness trio,zegion,chloe etc were able to harm true dragons by incorporating their will power into their attacks
Characters like demoness trio,zegion,chloe etc were able to harm true dragons by incorporating their will power into their attacks
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on info type 2, yeah, not law tho. Its like saying atoms making up a spoon are necessarily all the same nature as the piece of metal that is collectively the spoon itself when that is false.
Tho, Im thinking of making information particles and spirit particles into fundamental aspects other then info type 2. I think they have the qualification to be used as a fundamental aspect.
So a law is made of information but the information isn't the law?
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I for one always had faith. Also, Happy New Years!!!
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I don't know about you, but I completely hated Ivaraj's look, this fetish that the Japanese have with loli is completely sick, I was expecting a tall, pale man, with black eyes wearing game Boss style armor, okay, I was expecting a lot, damn, what a horrible thing fuse did, it took away all the aura that ivaraj had
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Happy new year mate!!!
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I know it's really weird, but I don't think Fuse is that kinda guy, maybe he found it funny? And honestly when I think of how the personification of pure destruction would look like(if it was human shaped) would either be a baby(like Glub from Adventure Time) or a young child(mostly young boys, my brother comes to mind).
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Same feeling. If anything it makes it feel more terrifying in a similar to something like Majin Buu from DBZ when he first appeared. All of the power to destroy the world in the hands of a petulant child who barely understands what that power entails.
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Just like Zenò, heck even in some religions in our world, children are associated with destruction.
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Even in series we have Milim. We're privy to her internal monologues so we KNOW that it's partially an act. Ivaraje seems to be a more EXTREME version of that where it's NOT an act and she's potentially more powerful(I'm a bit behind on the books and some of the lore so please correct if wrong).
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Yes, at least from what we know so far in ln.
Lol. I kinda expected it given the japanese isekai cliche troupe.
Tho it's possible that she may have an adult form.
Relatable....
Indeed. Ivarage is currently the most powerful, potentially as strong as prime veldanava, second only to the all-encompassing God.
Tho knowing the lore, rimuru will likely become stronger than her.
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Hello everyone 
I am new here so please be kind to me!!!!!!!
I would like to discuss on whether we gonna make profile for Light novel characters such as
1.Tatsuya Kondou
2.Velzard (Ln)
3.Zelanus
4. the single digits
5. feldway
6. Michael
7. the rest of the angels of origin.
8. Maybe even Vega
9. Misery, Raine , Testarossa, última (LN)
Sorry in advance if this came off as rushy. I just like to be well informed of these tensura profiles that will be created in the future. That is all, thank you for listening.
I am new here so please be kind to me!!!!!!!I would like to discuss on whether we gonna make profile for Light novel characters such as
1.Tatsuya Kondou
2.Velzard (Ln)
3.Zelanus
4. the single digits
5. feldway
6. Michael
7. the rest of the angels of origin.
8. Maybe even Vega
9. Misery, Raine , Testarossa, última (LN)
Sorry in advance if this came off as rushy. I just like to be well informed of these tensura profiles that will be created in the future. That is all, thank you for listening.
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Before the new profiles, I prioritize an "Aura and Haki (Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken)" page and a "Dark Magic" section for the "Magic and Skills" page. Description pages already make it easier to create new profiles because they bring together the abilities and resistances scattered across profiles.
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