Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Peak]

Man I suck hard when it comes to higher dimensions .Can anyone give me some reliable sources to learn more about them ?

The problem is that the basic knowledge I have on this topic is learnt from "Goku solos " or Rimuru is boundless type of scalers .

most things you can learn here

 

[mal]

I just found something new again on YouTube.

Rimuru LN - At the level of a being from the "Promised Land" - a world that considers all worlds, Spiritual World, the Cardinal World (a higher structure than other worlds) and the realms transcendent of time to be dream/fiction.

<<Even an Ultimate Skill can be changed at will, giving Velgrind freedom and making the Power stronger, or evolving to a higher realm.>>(LN vol.15 Epilogue)

<<Velgrind after leaving Rimuru, she flew to another world transcendent of time, where she successfully reunited with a Parallel Existence, to which Feldway sent her to an unknown place.

In a place where there is neither atmosphere nor earth, Velgrind floats with the flow, not feeling the time.

If Velgrind wasn't a True Dragon, she would have died there. But she had "spatial dominance" and an infinite lifespan.>>

(LN vol.15 Epilogue) (at least Low 1-C(5D))

<<Velgrind had a series of encounters and goodbyes.

Through it all, Velgrind came to understand that there is no single world that Veldanava has created.

He created many worlds.

There was one world, and there were no parallel worlds. But there were other worlds.

There were ‘otherworlders,’ so she was aware of that fact, but Velgrind had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.

They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations/dimensions.(Spiritual world - at least 6D. The Spiritual world also includes worlds transcending time.)

From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.

There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict.

Velgrind had traveled through all those worlds.

But all of it was not of her own intention, but by what she was guided to.

There were different levels of civilizations/dimensions, and Velgrind had no way of guessing which dimension or timeline she was in. Also, because parallel universes do not overlap, it is impossible for the same entity to overlap on the same timeline.(There are two different translations with dimensions or civilizations, but you can choose at your discretion)

In other words, just because you went there once does not mean you can go to the same place.

If the Velgrind exists in the same dimension at the same time, the exact space-time coordinates can be recognized. However, as there is already a Velgrind at that time, ‘Spacetime Leap’ cannot be used to jump there, even with the Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King (Cthugha).’

So Velgrind remembered all worlds, all of Rudra.

The fleet commander of the interstellar world.

The minister of a small country in the world of swords and magic.

The rare scammer in the world without magic.

The poor scientist in the civilized world.

Velgrind is often called upon at moments of crisis when one who possesses a fragment of Rudra’s ‘soul’ is in danger. It is only when he is on the verge of death that his soul shines forth.

Some people died as children because they couldn’t get help in time. It was a very sad event, but Velgrind is convinced that it was fate.

And there was no need to mourn, because then the soul shards would gather quickly.

But she didn’t take it upon herself to hasten the time. It was the Velgrind’s pleasure to watch over Rudras of various personalities.>> (LN vol.17 Part 2) (Dimensions of different levels.(at least Low 1-C(6D), possible 1B mb nlf))

Granbell who was from the Promised Land turned into a Fictional Entity when summoned to the Cardinal World. This is like saying the relationship between Promised Land and Cardinal World is like Reality and Fiction. (This was confirmed either in 11 or 12 volumes by Mariabel reunited with Granbell in the Promised Land.)

<<The Granbell here was nothing more than a fictional entity with an actual body. In fact, the sword he had just given to Hinata had also been recreated held in his hand.

The ability to summon past champions in the form of entities of the same nature as ‘Digital Lifeforms.’ This was the essence of the Ultimate Skill ‘King of Heroes’ that Masayuki had awakened.>> (LN vol. 19 Part 4) (at least 7D, Possible Low 1-A)

Before you say that how can Velgrind be 5D if she can't move in a Suspended world and blah blah blah... I will answer this question further.

Time Stop resistance is not enough as Suspended World in itself is not a mere "Time Stop". I can't fully answer this because the true abilities of Suspended World was still not fully explained and show but based on what have been shown this is at least the abilities in vs battles or debates that characters need to have to be able to move inside it are... - Information Manipulation(type 2)/Conceptual Manipulation(type 1), Abstract Existence(type 1), Time Stop Resistance, Acausality (Probably the strongest version(5 type) as even Velgrynd(she has type 1-4) who was freed from the System could still not move but only think inside it), and Space-Time Manipulation.

I will list all the advantages and benifits of Suspended World.

Suspended World nulls all laws of physics because everything is Stop or Suspended, even abilties are supposed to be null too that is why Rimuru is surprised when Chloe used her abilities to Micheal but that is nothing to be surprised about as Chloe Ultimate Skill is literally Lord of Space-Time or now God of Space-Time after it evolved.

You can actually used a Magic as proven that Diablo did it but you need to prepared it beforehand and even if you actually prepared it, a Suspended World user can just null o destroyed it and kill you without a problem and just like you said there are no concepts of defense so matter how tough and durable you are just one tap will finish you.

There is also no gravity.

And also the fact that Suspended World affect all Worlds and dimensions means there is no escape and you can't run anywhere.

There is also the fact that Digital Lifeforms basically so fast and could exist across all Worlds as long as they send thee coordinates. Now why did I say so fast exactly? In fact, it's not about being fast, Digital Lifeforms are Creatures that are Informational Particles, and Space-Time does not affect them, they also move instantaneously in time. Now why did I say they could exist across all Worlds? It say that Suspended World affects all Worlds so if an Digital Lifeform used Suspended World they could send Information Particles basically everywhere without problems.

based on statement rimuru will be 1A. but sadly its didnt have enough information to upgrade. but i still used it outside vsb

 

[ImmortalDread]

based on statement rimuru will be 1A. but sadly its didnt have enough information to upgrade. but i still used it outside vsb

not enough information for 1-A = still using it outside vsb. Damn

 

[Peak]

not enough information for 1-A = still using it outside vsb. Damn

meanwhile no one passing the star level currently

Tensura fans are starting to get worse than Shido's

 

[LoganKroos]

based on statement rimuru will be 1A. but sadly its didnt have enough information to upgrade. but i still used it outside vsb

there is no solid evidence of 1B and 1A is obviously out of the question, and about the dimensionality of the higher worlds I had already given a similar explanation, the problem is that only Veldanava scales to this since taking away he who created the worlds and the great ones spirits that govern these worlds, no one can affect them so even if the verse takes low1c which is likely or 1c unlikely with what we have so far, only Veldanava would have that level, the rest of Slime even being universal is very questionable

 

[JV_DLS]

there is no solid evidence of 1B and 1A is obviously out of the question, and about the dimensionality of the higher worlds I had already given a similar explanation, the problem is that only Veldanava scales to this since taking away he who created the worlds and the great ones spirits that govern these worlds, no one can affect them so even if the verse takes low1c which is likely or 1c unlikely with what we have so far, only Veldanava would have that level, the rest of Slime even being universal is very questionable

although this is possible with some explanations, since transcendent dimensions and a hierarchy of worlds have already been mentioned, but all we have is at most 2-B, maybe low 1-C but even that needs more explanation

 

[Peak]

Honestly, after thinking a bit over the last few days I've started to wish that Fuse doesn't raise the characters too much above star level

 

[Peak]

Volume 15 is done, next few days will be fire

 

[mal]

there is no solid evidence of 1B and 1A is obviously out of the question, and about the dimensionality of the higher worlds I had already given a similar explanation, the problem is that only Veldanava scales to this since taking away he who created the worlds and the great ones spirits that govern these worlds, no one can affect them so even if the verse takes low1c which is likely or 1c unlikely with what we have so far, only Veldanava would have that level, the rest of Slime even being universal is very questionable

that why i said we didnt have enough information to upgrade it.

 

[Diablo_]

Volume 15 is done, next few days will be fire

By the way the stufffs from Volume 13-14 CRT haven't been added yet .

 

[mal]

not enough information for 1-A = still using it outside vsb. Damn

i said we didnt have enough information to upgrade the tier in vsb. but in reality it is bcuz it have statement it not like i created my own bs

 

[Diablo_]

i said we didnt have enough information to upgrade the tier in vsb. but in reality it is bcuz it have statement it not like i created my own bs

The problem is promised Neverland is Low 1-C without a doubt .The only argument against it it "Lack of Details " .Which is understandable since Fuse has never touched the topic again .

But where did 1-A come from ?The verse has never been shown to have a higher dimension let alone infinite dimensions .

Viewing a 4-D world as fiction is Low 1-C not 1-A .(It would've been higher if the existence of higher dimension in the verse was clarified )

 

[Community_Gamer]

Honestly, after thinking a bit over the last few days I've started to wish that Fuse doesn't raise the characters too much above star level

Agreed

 

[Peak]

By the way the stufffs from Volume 13-14 CRT haven't been added yet .

I'll add it to the next CRT

 

[JV_DLS]

The problem is promised Neverland is Low 1-C without a doubt .The only argument against it it "Lack of Details " .Which is understandable since Fuse has never touched the topic again .

But where did 1-A come from ?The verse has never been shown to have a higher dimension let alone infinite dimensions .

Viewing a 4-D world as fiction is Low 1-C not 1-A .(It would've been higher if the existence of higher dimension in the verse was clarified )

1-A comes precisely from the promised land, as Velgrynd has already mentioned that there is a hierarchy of worlds in Slime with the weak worlds that can be destroyed, the cardinal world and the transcendent worlds which she claims to have found, so what she would need is confirmation that this hierarchy is about dimensionality, more explanations about the supposed world beyond the time that she found and that there are other higher worlds, so the promised land could reach 1-A, if I'm not mistaken that was it

 

[Peak]

in the new translation it says that Velgrynd went to a world that transcends time, it may not be exactly a temporal direction

 

[Diablo_]

1-A comes precisely from the promised land, as Velgrynd has already mentioned that there is a hierarchy of worlds in Slime with the weak worlds that can be destroyed, the cardinal world and the transcendent worlds which she claims to have found, so what she would need is confirmation that this hierarchy is about dimensionality, more explanations about the supposed world beyond the time that she found and that there are other higher worlds, so the promised land could reach 1-A, if I'm not mistaken that was it

Nah that would still be bound by the amount of dimensions that exists in slime world .1-A is when a character views a world with infinite dimensions as fiction if I am not wrong .

 

[JV_DLS]

Nah that would still be bound by the amount of dimensions that exists in slime world .1-A is when a character views a world with infinite dimensions as fiction if I am not wrong .

that's why I said that I would need to better explain the hierarchy and confirm the existence of superior worlds, there's also the whole issue of the material world being within the spiritual and stuff like that, honestly I'm not the best to talk about it , by the way who gave me a good explanation about this theory was LoganKroos

 

[JV_DLS]

in the new translation it says that Velgrynd went to a world that transcends time, it may not be exactly a temporal direction

What do you mean by that?

 

[Peak]

What do you mean by that?

I can't say, I would say that it just seems like a world that lacks the concept of time, even because that is at the end of space-time

 

[JV_DLS]

I can't say, I would say that it just seems like a world that lacks the concept of time, even because that is at the end of space-time

well, it is said that she was sent to a world that transcends time itself, wouldn't that be the reason for her confusion?

or are you saying that it is not a transcendent world per se, but one that has no space-time?

 

[Peak]

well, it is said that she was sent to a world that transcends time itself, wouldn't that be the reason for her confusion?

or are you saying that it is not a transcendent world per se, but one that has no space-time?

yes, that's what I think, but I don't know how to explain why I think like that, anyway, no one scales to that so I don't really care

 

[JV_DLS]

yes, that's what I think, but I don't know how to explain why I think like that, anyway, no one scales to that so I don't really care

good to make some comparisons with the end times WN, when Rimuru arrived he didn't have this time confusion, because there really was no time to be felt, he almost immediately realized that the universe as well as the spirits that formed it were destroyed , besides that Fuse had never put something like "transcend time" before, I think the end times in LN will be something like a transcendent world and that's why Rimuru and Velgrynd would be confused as they had never been in a higher world before

well maybe that is just about time destruction too, we just have to wait another year to find out

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

You guys (who are still stuck on that damn Star Level) need to accept about the World referring to the universe.

Otherwise, Masayuki (Rudra) will be the strongest character in terms of Attack Potency. Masayuki's Attack Potency is High 3-A (High Universal Level) because he is able to use Absolute Defense (which is the application of Infinite Prison aka Infinite Space) as an attack. His Lifting Strenght will also be Infinite which will really make him the strongest.

Leave that damn Star Level, Masayuki who is a high school student will solo all the characters in Tensura (except Veldanava) if you are still stuck in that.

 

[LoganKroos]

You guys (who are still stuck on that damn Star Level) need to accept about the World referring to the universe.

Otherwise, Masayuki (Rudra) will be the strongest character in terms of Attack Potency. Masayuki's Attack Potency is High 3-A (High Universal Level) because he is able to use Absolute Defense (which is the application of Infinite Prison aka Infinite Space) as an attack. His Lifting Strenght will also be Infinite which will really make him the strongest.

Leave that damn Star Level, Masayuki who is a high school student will solo all the characters in Tensura (except Veldanava) if you are still stuck in that.

but Masayuki is the reincarnation of Rudra lol, even in his weakest state he takes almost everyone who is not in the top 20 just with his presence

 

[JV_DLS]

You guys (who are still stuck on that damn Star Level) need to accept about the World referring to the universe.

Otherwise, Masayuki (Rudra) will be the strongest character in terms of Attack Potency. Masayuki's Attack Potency is High 3-A (High Universal Level) because he is able to use Absolute Defense (which is the application of Infinite Prison aka Infinite Space) as an attack. His Lifting Strenght will also be Infinite which will really make him the strongest.

Leave that damn Star Level, Masayuki who is a high school student will solo all the characters in Tensura (except Veldanava) if you are still stuck in that.

I always thought of Slime's God tiers as being universal, for me it was something obvious and that everyone had accepted, because although in some circumstances they use "world" to refer to the planet, almost always they use it to refer to the universe, so something like 3-A is totally viable, in fact I think it could be up to 2-C but as there was no indication I stick with universal anyway

 

[Peak]

You guys (who are still stuck on that damn Star Level) need to accept about the World referring to the universe.

Otherwise, Masayuki (Rudra) will be the strongest character in terms of Attack Potency. Masayuki's Attack Potency is High 3-A (High Universal Level) because he is able to use Absolute Defense (which is the application of Infinite Prison aka Infinite Space) as an attack

wait, when did he use that as a form of attack? Wasn't the attack that Rudra used Novabreak that potency based on how many people believe in Rudra?

His Lifting Strenght will also be Infinite which will really make him the strongest.

What did he lift that was infinite?

Leave that damn Star Level, Masayuki who is a high school student will solo all the characters in Tensura (except Veldanava) if you are still stuck in that

Masayuki is one of the most broken in verse lmao

 

[JV_DLS]

but Masayuki is the reincarnation of Rudra lol, even in his weakest state he takes almost everyone who is not in the top 20 just with his presence

Now that you mention it, I would like to know what are Slime's strongest passives and who has them?

 

[Peak]

I always thought of Slime's God tiers as being universal, for me it was something obvious and that everyone had accepted, because although in some circumstances they use "world" to refer to the planet, almost always they use it to refer to the universe, so something like 3-A is totally viable, in fact I think it could be up to 2-C but as there was no indication I stick with universal anyway

If it was universal then why doesn't Fuse use the word "universal" as he does for planets and stars? He's never really made a statement saying it's universal but always emphasizes how awesome it is to destroy a few stars, I disagree and I still think it's a star

 

[Bahaha]

It would be weirder for planets having their own time and spaces instead of Tensura being a multiverse.

 

[Peak]

Now that you mention it, I would like to know what are Slime's strongest passives and who has them?

Veldora's Probability Manipulation, Masayuki's Luck Manipulation, Demon Lord Haki's Fear Manipulation, Corrosion and Madness, Rimuru absorption (since volume 15 he used Beelzebub/Azarthot as a barrier), Velzard's passive that froze all of Milim's subordinates and even Carrera(brooooo), Existential Erasure of Jahil/Veldora

for now I remember these as the most OPs

 

[Peak]

It would be weirder for planets having their own time and spaces instead of Tensura being a multiverse.

? I don't understand what you mean, where did you get that each planet would have a different space-time?

 

[JV_DLS]

If it was universal then why doesn't Fuse use the word "universal" as he does for planets and stars? He's never really made a statement saying it's universal but always emphasizes how awesome it is to destroy a few stars, I disagree and I still think it's a star

for some reason he uses world, like when he is going to refer to the main universe of Slime the cardinal world, I honestly don't know why he does it and I don't like it either, but I come back again to the same question, if the characters are able to destroy even stars, why do they emphasize so much the destruction of the planet?

I know it's the planet they live on, the place of greatest importance etc etc, but we know the characters' true capabilities and something like planetary destruction seems like a small thing. For example, a higher level like Zelanus who was quoted as being able to affect stars with his wings and shortly after in his battle against Milim being said to be able to destroy the world, it would be kind of weird if he only talked about the planet actually. it's always like that, fuse gives a kind of minimum level for the characters (in the case of the top tiers, star) and then says that later they can destroy the world, and on the other hand there are some of Rimuru's subordinates like Gadra and Carrera who have techniques capable of planetary destruction, the logic is that slightly weaker characters are already planetary level and can already offer such a risk, so top tiers being mentioned destroying worlds must be at least something bigger.

In volume 20 itself, note that most of the time he uses planet to refer to the planet and world to refer to the universe, so yes I think they are universal, but I understand this disagreement as it was not explained in all words such destructiveness

 

[JV_DLS]

Veldora's Probability Manipulation, Masayuki's Luck Manipulation, Demon Lord Haki's Fear Manipulation, Corrosion and Madness, Rimuru absorption (since volume 15 he used Beelzebub/Azarthot as a barrier), Velzard's passive that froze all of Milim's subordinates and even Carrera(brooooo), Existential Erasure of Jahil/Veldora

for now I remember these as the most OPs

Is Veldora's probability manipulation passive? I always thought he would need to activate his ability to have it

Veldora has passive existence erasure insane stuff

 

[LoganKroos]

Is Veldora's probability manipulation passive? I always thought he would need to activate his ability to have it

Veldora has passive existence erasure insane stuff

You said what I was going to say now lmao, Veldora is the one with the most broken passives by far, he kills almost all the primordial angels and demons just with his presence, only Fedway and Guy resist it

 

[JV_DLS]

You said what I was going to say now lmao, Veldora is the one with the most broken passives by far, he kills almost all the primordial angels and demons just with his presence, only Fedway and Guy resist it

Veldora's case is strange especially WN's, if we take into account his abilities and his ability to destroy there are really few who stop him, but within the story it is implied that he loses to characters like Velzard, Velgrynd, Chloe and Guy.

I mean, maybe for one or the other he really loses, but in my opinion, he wins everyone or draws with some instead of losing.

 

[Bahaha]

Doesn't Shion have passive causality manipulation letting her always strike first, and as previously asked before:
Velzard should have resistance negation with envious king leviathan which degrades/lowers the power of every skill(resistances included) even if they are above Leviathan to be below Leviathan. Leviathan also worked against Velgyrnd's God skill.

 

[Peak]

for some reason he uses world, like when he is going to refer to the main universe of Slime the cardinal world, I honestly don't know why he does it and I don't like it either, but I come back again to the same question, if the characters are able to destroy even stars, why do they emphasize so much the destruction of the planet?

I know it's the planet they live on, the place of greatest importance etc etc, but we know the characters' true capabilities and something like planetary destruction seems like a small thing. For example, a higher level like Zelanus who was quoted as being able to affect stars with his wings and shortly after in his battle against Milim being said to be able to destroy the world, it would be kind of weird if he only talked about the planet actually. it's always like that, fuse gives a kind of minimum level for the characters (in the case of the top tiers, star) and then says that later they can destroy the world, and on the other hand there are some of Rimuru's subordinates like Gadra and Carrera who have techniques capable of planetary destruction, the logic is that slightly weaker characters are already planetary level and can already offer such a risk, so top tiers being mentioned destroying worlds must be at least something bigger.

In volume 20 itself, note that most of the time he uses planet to refer to the planet and world to refer to the universe, so yes I think they are universal, but I understand this disagreement as it was not explained in all words such destructiveness

I might agree with you if at least there was a feat that is explicitly universe, we have planetary and stellar feats, and so the word 'world' varies, it would also be very consistent and well fitted, it may not look like it, but the god tiers being star level is really big deal, an average star is about 333,000x the mass of our planet, the sun is more than 1 million times greater and the godtiers can destroy them with physical force alone, and when we jump to the non-godtiers, Gadra and Carrera, they both can destroy the planet with specific hax, not because of strength, physically they are still about continental average, remembering that Carrera is a high level TDL, and still she can only destroy the planet with Abyss Annihilation, his most powerful technique (ignoring the weapon), meanwhile, Zelanus and Milim fighting suppressed could already destroy stars with sheer physical force, Do you realize the tremendous difference you already have here? Because I already think it's absurd, with the exception of the god tiers, there wasn't even one capable of destroying the planet without some specific hax, meanwhile we had volume 20 almost the entire time saying that the destruction of the planet and of stars was in jeopardy with a "casual" fight of Milim and Zelanus, of Rimuru and Milim, of Velzard and Guy and so on, what I mean is that being universal level would be too inconsistent and I don't see more than 3 beings getting universal level at the end of the series.

 

[Peak]

Is Veldora's probability manipulation passive? I always thought he would need to activate his ability to have it

actually I thought better and it's not passive at all, but it's still broken, as long as Veldora notices the opponent, he can manipulate the probability of what's going to happen, be it attack or defense, only it's not passive because attacks like Kondo's hit him, so I think it's not valid, I don't know

Veldora has passive existence erasure insane stuff

He could erase Ifrit broo, he also almost erases Rimuru denying regeneration

 

[Peak]

Veldora's case is strange especially WN's, if we take into account his abilities and his ability to destroy there are really few who stop him, but within the story it is implied that he loses to characters like Velzard, Velgrynd, Chloe and Guy.

In WN he's probably the 2nd most powerful in the series, so it's not really weird