Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Ashborn69]

By the way what are the things we have against keysword ?It was a big trouble last time.
It's a Layered 4-D passive power null that's why I wanted to wait a bit ...

Xeno is tougher than you think we may lose again if we don't at least finish the current upgrades .

Hello, I'm new here

Xeno Guko hasn't shown to be able to affect acausality type 4 right? If yes, Xeno Goku's Abilities should not affect Rimuru, cuz Acausality type 4 works on a different system of cause and effect (it's unconventional) right? Or maybe I'm wrong? IDK?

The same can be said regarding Shion vs Yhwach... Yhwach Almighty regardless of potency should not work on Shion unless Yhwach's Almighty has shown that it is able to affect acausality type 4 much less a higher degree of acausality type 4.

IDK, Correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Diablo_]

What the heck is that logic, isn't it literally Fuse' pattern, you mfs still haven't gotten used to it? Fuse have allergies to the word "Universe" or "Infinite"

And his favourite word is "Shattering Stars" (even tho they weren't even fighting in outerspace lmao) and "Dozens of Times faster than Sound".

Now now don't get so mad .The CRT for volume 17 will take a long time .

And the next volume will have at least 1 Universal(3-A ) feat if it follows the WN .Then it will be easier to say if it's 3-A or just 5-B

Besides we can always make revisions if we find better proofs

 

[Ashborn69]

Also, even if the Keysword is Layered it still shouldn't be able to affect Rimuru cuz a Layered is still only working on a regular system of cause and effect, it should not work on an irregular system unless proven otherwise, so Layered Hax is kind of irrelevant

 

[Community_Gamer]

We're going to have a war when volume 17 is translated, I don't even want to see it

I'm prepared. But I'll limit my responses to the most significant arguments

 

[Peak]

By the way what are the things we have against keysword ?It was a big trouble last time.
It's a Layered 4-D passive power null that's why I wanted to wait a bit ...

Xeno is tougher than you think we may lose again if we don't at least finish the current upgrades .

yes he has that Keysword shit which is a problem so I need to see Shion and Dagruel's battle to know if his powernull is 4D too

Are you on the discord server? I would appreciate your presence there

 

[Community_Gamer]

Hello, I'm new here

Xeno Guko hasn't shown to be able to affect acausality type 4 right? If yes, Xeno Goku's Abilities should not affect Rimuru, cuz Acausality type 4 works on a different system of cause and effect (it's unconventional) right? Or maybe I'm wrong? IDK?

The same can be said regarding Shion vs Yhwach... Yhwach Almighty regardless of potency should not work on Shion unless Yhwach's Almighty has shown that it is able to affect acausality type 4 much less a higher degree of acausality type 4.

IDK, Correct me if I'm wrong

You are wrong. Yhwach is literally jumping to a different timeline and negates abilities he sees with Almighty.

 

[Peak]

What the heck is that logic, isn't it literally Fuse' pattern, you mfs still haven't gotten used to it? Fuse have allergies to the word "Universe" or "Infinite"

And his favourite word is "Shattering Stars" (even tho they weren't even fighting in outerspace lmao) and "Dozens of Times faster than Sound".

you are literally proving that the current level is star, if Fuse doesn't mention something like "universe" or "infinity", it's simply because he doesn't want it to be universe or infinity, simple, if he puts "shatter stars" then he simply wants the level to be star, if he says "tens of times the speed of sound" that's because he wants it to be the speed of sound, I didn't understand that Fuse's writing being objective helps your argument here, it's not because you want it to be a universe that it will be a universe because Fuse doesn't show that he wants it

 

[Ashborn69]

You are wrong. Yhwach is literally jumping to a different timeline and negates abilities he sees with Almighty.

Did Almighty shows feats that it can work on acausality type 4? Acausality type 4 has an unconventional resistance to Hax like precog, fate, causality, etc, etc... Regardless of the potency of the said Hax it shouldn't affect acausality type 4 unless proven otherwise no?

The Almighty regardless of how many layers of infinities it affects, it only and should only works on a regular system of causality, and it should not be able to affect an irregular system of causality without feats. (Right? Am I making sense? Or am I wanking acausality type 4 rn? LoL)

 

[Peak]

Hello, I'm new here

Xeno Guko hasn't shown to be able to affect acausality type 4 right? If yes, Xeno Goku's Abilities should not affect Rimuru, cuz Acausality type 4 works on a different system of cause and effect (it's unconventional) right? Or maybe I'm wrong? IDK?

The same can be said regarding Shion vs Yhwach... Yhwach Almighty regardless of potency should not work on Shion unless Yhwach's Almighty has shown that it is able to affect acausality type 4 much less a higher degree of acausality type 4.

IDK, Correct me if I'm wrong

Acausality 4 doesn't make you intangible like acausality 5, makes you resistant to manipulation of fate or causality, and as long as fate manipulation and causality are greater than acausality 4, then it can be circumvented

 

[Peak]

You are wrong. Yhwach is literally jumping to a different timeline and negates abilities he sees with Almighty.

yes, although none of this works with Shion or Rimuru, as Shion has unconventional resistance to power nullification, power mimicry and information parsing, Yhwach's fate also doesn't work on Shion after updates

 

[Ashborn69]

Acausality 4 doesn't make you intangible like acausality 5, makes you resistant to manipulation of fate or causality, and as long as fate manipulation and causality are greater than acausality 4, then it can be circumvented

Lol I'm so confused because of this...

"Having layers of fate hax or causality hax will not work since acau 4 characters are beyond normal causality system so its resistance is pretty much unconventional (should be equal to immunity to fate/causality hax for those who have no feats to influence outside normal causality system)

Also just because type 5 is powerful doesn't mean type 4 is weak so I have no idea what's the point to put it in comparison"

I don't know how to put the link of the thread this came from so I'm just going to qoute

 

[Peak]

Did Almighty shows feats that it can work on acausality type 4? Acausality type 4 has an unconventional resistance to Hax like precog, fate, causality, etc, etc... Regardless of the potency of the said Hax it shouldn't affect acausality type 4 unless proven otherwise no?

The Almighty regardless of how many layers of infinities it affects, it only and should only works on a regular system of causality, and it should not be able to affect an irregular system of causality without feats. (Right? Am I making sense? Or am I wanking acausality type 4 rn? LoL)

Simply put, acausality also involves dimensionality, Yhwach's fate might work if acausality is 3D, because his destiny is 4D, which is not the case with Shion, since she also has higher grade 4D acausality

 

[Peak]

Lol I'm so confused because of this...

"Having layers of fate hax or causality hax will not work since acau 4 characters are beyond normal causality system so its resistance is pretty much unconventional (should be equal to immunity to fate/causality hax for those who have no feats to influence outside normal causality system)

Also just because type 5 is powerful doesn't mean type 4 is weak so I have no idea what's the point to put it in comparison"

I don't know how to put the link of the thread this came from so I'm just going to qoute

at no point did i say causality 4 is weak, and please use what is accepted on the wiki

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

As you see, there is no such thing as unconventional resistance or immunity, causality 4 only grants resistance to what has been referred to, does not leave you intangible, immune to something or other, causality involves dimensionality and layers

 

[Ashborn69]

at no point did i say causality 4 is weak, and please use what is accepted on the wiki

As you see, there is no such thing as unconventional resistance or immunity, causality 4 only grants resistance to what has been referred to, does not leave you intangible, immune to something or other, causality involves dimensionality and layers

Ok

Edit*
If what you're saying correct then acausality type 4 is just like a normal resistance to Hax like causality, fate, etc...

"""Type 4 operates on Different and irregular system of cause and effect""" seems unconventional to me... regardless of layers, as long as the same Dimensionality, character "A" that has no feats affecting a different and irregular system of causality should not be able to affect character "B" that operates on a Different and irregular system.

it should be a fallacy to assume that a Hax that hasn't shown to be able to affect a different and irregular, suddenly able to affect because of Layers... A Layered Hax doesn't and should not work on irregular system of causality unless it has feats proving it.

I Agree with dimensionality, disagree with layers unless that said Hax has feats affecting type 4

 

[JV_DLS]

Rimuru WN's range and Immortality 9 will be upgraded to 2-A, I wonder is there any way that is at least debatable to give Rimuru WN level 2-A solid?

or does it make no sense to mess with it?

because only having his range and Immortality influenced by level 2-A is kind of boring, I mean Rimuru has two infinite energy systems inside himself, has enough Turn Null storage to destroy the Multiverse tens of thousands of times, and outside that Turn Null's energy works with absorption, that is, if it doesn't necessarily destroy something, it returns it to nothingness, absorbing its energy isn't it?!

I'm not saying that he is or that he should be 2-A, but asking if there is any way he can get that level at once?

 

[Peak]

Rimuru WN's range and Immortality 9 will be upgraded to 2-A, I wonder is there any way that is at least debatable to give Rimuru WN level 2-A solid?

or does it make no sense to mess with it?

because only having his range and Immortality influenced by level 2-A is kind of boring, I mean Rimuru has two infinite energy systems inside himself, has enough Turn Null storage to destroy the Multiverse tens of thousands of times, and outside that Turn Null's energy works with absorption, that is, if it doesn't necessarily destroy something, it returns it to nothingness, absorbing its energy isn't it?!

I'm not saying that he is or that he should be 2-A, but asking if there is any way he can get that level at once?

no, stamina and imaginary space are infinite, but Turn null is not, so I don't think this can even be argued

 

[Catpija]

or does it make no sense to mess with it?

because only having his range and Immortality influenced by level 2-A is kind of boring

Rimuru being 2A would contradict a lot of things, its better that we don't touch it at all

 

[donegbe]

Rimuru being 2A would contradict a lot of things, its better that we don't touch it at all

i understand he can't be 2A but what will be contradicted if he is?
Cuz you'll be mentioning that but i don't get why

 

[Catpija]

i understand he can't be 2A but what will be contradicted if he is?
Cuz you'll be mentioning that but i don't get why

His strongest energy with the most amount is Nihility Collapse, limited with only finite world creation. even if we disregard those Ciel stated that Imaginary Space cannot be filled, meaning its impossible for Rimuru to have 2A energy as he needs infinite time.

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

His strongest energy with the most amount is Nihility Collapse, limited with only finite world creation. even if we disregard those Ciel stated that Imaginary Space cannot be filled, meaning its impossible for Rimuru to have 2A energy as he needs infinite time.

Rimuru (Ciel) should be able to significantly affect Imaginary Space. At least that will earn him a 'Likely 2-A'

After all, imaginary space is basically Rimuru's stomach

 

[JV_DLS]

Rimuru (Ciel) should be able to significantly affect Imaginary Space. At least that will earn him a 'Likely 2-A'

After all, imaginary space is basically Rimuru's stomach

I thought about that too, but possibly 2-A would be viable? both by statement and the question that Catpija spoke, I mean was it said that Rimuru could destroy or be above imaginary space?

 

[Peak]

I thought about that too, but possibly 2-A would be viable? both by statement and the question that Catpija spoke, I mean was it said that Rimuru could destroy or be above imaginary space?

no

 

[JV_DLS]

So, will the fight against Xeno Goku happen or do you still have more updates to be done first?

by the way with what Rimuru has now is it possible to defeat Xeno Goku?

 

[Peak]

So, will the fight against Xeno Goku happen or do you still have more updates to be done first?

by the way with what Rimuru has now is it possible to defeat Xeno Goku?

has more updates, the one with abstract existence is already in progress

Rimuru can do literally anything, powernull cannot nullify a non-existent power (turn null)

 

[JV_DLS]

no

I understand, well, I wanted to try one last time to give Rimuru level 2-A, as they had tried many times before, but if it's not possible, that's fine.

I'm more focused on LN, actually I was surprised by the amount of CRTs that were being made, I thought they had already abandoned WN to focus on LN

 

[JV_DLS]

has more updates, the one with abstract existence is already in progress

Rimuru can do literally anything, powernull cannot nullify a non-existent power (turn null)

can you send the link of this CTR, I was not aware of it

 

[Peak]

I understand, well, I wanted to try one last time to give Rimuru level 2-A, as they had tried many times before, but if it's not possible, that's fine.

I think we'll try one last time but I can't be sure

I'm more focused on LN, actually I was surprised by the amount of CRTs that were being made, I thought they had already abandoned WN to focus on LN

Well, for some reason when the battle of Shion vs Yhwach was created, we realized that WN was mega outdated and when we least noticed, we managed to find several OP powers hahahaha LN has a much more interesting history, but as we have to wait for good translations, WN ends up being more interesting in powerscalling

 

[Peak]

can you send the link of this CTR, I was not aware of it

Here

 

[JV_DLS]

thanks

Here

 

[LoganKroos]

rimuru web novel is getting very monster, I take my eyes off for a second and 3 new updates appear, I'll start reviewing the web too to see if it increases Slime's powers even more

 

[Peak]

rimuru web novel is getting very monster, I take my eyes off for a second and 3 new updates appear, I'll start reviewing the web too to see if it increases Slime's powers even more

we will still have a beyond dimensional existence for our slime because of the imaginary space that was accepted to be 2A not being omnipresent beings, Rimuru can dominate tier 2 lol

 

[LoganKroos]

we will still have a beyond dimensional existence for our slime because of the imaginary space that was accepted to be 2A not being omnipresent beings, Rimuru can dominate tier 2 lol

but isn't the rimuru omnipresent within the imaginary space?

 

[LoganKroos]

but isn't the rimuru omnipresent within the imaginary space?

rimuru basically has a universe inside of him where he's pretty much omnipresent in his own territory, and since he can take and drag things out of there, I think he has good odds against omnipresent characters too, his only weakness is that he doesn't has acca type 5, for me this is his biggest weakness

 

[JV_DLS]

rimuru basically has a universe inside of him where he's pretty much omnipresent in his own territory, and since he can take and drag things out of there, I think he has good odds against omnipresent characters too, his only weakness is that he doesn't has acca type 5, for me this is his biggest weakness

well, a CTR has already been made to try to apply Acas 5 to Rimuru, but it was totally rejected because it was actually Acas 4, you can even find some indication of Acas 5 but I doubt it will be accepted, and it's not so common for characters have Acas 5 at level 2 so it's not too bad

 

[JV_DLS]

we will still have a beyond dimensional existence for our slime because of the imaginary space that was accepted to be 2A not being omnipresent beings, Rimuru can dominate tier 2 lol

if you find something share it here, I'll also try to look for it since we have to wait for the translation of Vol 17 which is promising to be crazy and 1 more year for a new volume of LN

 

[Ashborn69]

Ok

Edit*
If what you're saying correct then acausality type 4 is just like a normal resistance to Hax like causality, fate, etc...

"""Type 4 operates on Different and irregular system of cause and effect""" seems unconventional to me... regardless of layers, as long as the same Dimensionality, character "A" that has no feats affecting a different and irregular system of causality should not be able to affect character "B" that operates on a Different and irregular system.

it should be a fallacy to assume that a Hax that hasn't shown to be able to affect a different and irregular, suddenly able to affect because of Layers... A Layered Hax doesn't and should not work on irregular system of causality unless it has feats proving it.

I Agree with dimensionality, disagree with layers unless that said Hax has feats affecting type 4

...

 

[Catpija]

Rimuru (Ciel) should be able to significantly affect Imaginary Space. At least that will earn him a 'Likely 2-A'

In what way can Ciel affect Imaginary Space?

After all, imaginary space is basically Rimuru's stomach

What is this supposed to prove?

 

[JV_DLS]

In what way can Ciel affect Imaginary Space?


What is this supposed to prove?

I think the point is that it was Ciel who evolved her stomach into imaginary space, that is, she transformed her stomach into a 2-A dimension, would that be valid?

 

[Catpija]

I think the point is that it was Ciel who evolved her stomach into imaginary space, that is, she transformed her stomach into a 2-A dimension, would that be valid?

i don't know tbh, 2A with Skill Alteration? but that isn't AP related. Maybe Imaginary Space was infinite the whole time but Rimuru didn't have access to all of it before?

 

[Peak]

If abstract existence type 1 is not accepted, shouldn't type 2 also be removed? Since the great spirits are not completely abstract but forms of energy