TenSura LN Major Revision - Raphael is a Regeneration Device

[Verlice_tempest]

Bump(is HGR accepted?)

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Bump

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Short answer, both can still come back via a higher level[or just another additional level] of immortality type 8.

Long answer:
Raphael is implied to have a backup in VoTW/World Language/World System [voice of the world], so it can still function after backing up/restoring itself.
The proof is here, where even Great Sage[previous version of Raphael] could regenerate Rimuru after his Soul was evidentially destroyed, which should have destroyed Great Sage itself completely as well. The same happened at another instance as well, so Raphael, which is Great Sage's evolved version, should be able to do the same, if not even better than Great Sage.

World System is an omnipresent thing that encompasses all of the cosmology, it's basically a set of type 1 concepts and laws governing the world. So basically, to kill Rimuru's Demon lord key, you'll have to nuke the whole set of type 1 concepts/laws, Rimuru himself, and Raphael as well.

Tho it's mentionable that since Raphael can manipulate information particles to an extent, it should be able to escape an attack that may erase Rimuru at immeasurable speed.

Ok then it would be effective High-Godly but just not in name. We don't give High-Godly unless it's 100% the user's own power.

A similar case is with Ashen One. He doesn't have a soul and can resurrect from complete physical destruction. By all means this should be Mid-Godly, but the thing is that his resurrection comes from the undead curse; which was created by Gwyn. As such we simply list it as type 8 immortality.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Ok then it would be effective High-Godly but just not in name. We don't give High-Godly unless it's 100% the user's own power.

A similar case is with Ashen One. He doesn't have a soul and can resurrect from complete physical destruction. By all means this should be Mid-Godly, but the thing is that his resurrection comes from the undead curse; which was created by Gwyn. As such we simply list it as type 8 immortality

In the example you described, this "Undead curse" was created by someone else. But in Rimuru's case, it's his own power that manifested from his own desires[working of skills in tensura is like that], so technically it's not exactly someone else's power, it's the user's own power that's independent of the user's existence to a degree.

Although, you're saying it's "Effective high Godly", so would it be noted in their profiles that it is such?
Something like Regeneration [Mid Godly {Effective High Godly} - Explanation.....]

Alternatively, would someone with normal Mid Godly regen negation be able to negate it even if it's effectively High Godly?

 

[Verlice_tempest]

Although, you're saying it's "Effective high Godly", so would it be noted in their profiles that it is such?
Something like Regeneration [Mid Godly {Effective High Godly} - Explanation.....]

Should be if effective high godly is used, but bcs Raphael is emerged from rimuru's own desire within his soul (when it was great sage) it's his own power, deserves HGR

Alternatively, would someone with normal Mid Godly regen negation be able to negate it even if it's effectively High Godly?

Obviously no it's called "effective" due to fact that it's not considered 100% of rimuru's own power, it still has equal potency to that of HGR

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

What's not considered as Rimuru's own power is the voice of the world which is what is capable of bringing raphael back to which raphael can bring rimuru back
so yes it is only Type 8

because in a vsmatchup
VOTW would count as outside help

 

[Sir_Ovens]

In the example you described, this "Undead curse" was created by someone else. But in Rimuru's case, it's his own power that manifested from his own desires[working of skills in tensura is like that], so technically it's not exactly someone else's power, it's the user's own power that's independent of the user's existence to a degree.

Although, you're saying it's "Effective high Godly", so would it be noted in their profiles that it is such?
Something like Regeneration [Mid Godly {Effective High Godly} - Explanation.....]

Alternatively, would someone with normal Mid Godly regen negation be able to negate it even if it's effectively High Godly?

You don't have to mention that it is effectively High-Godly. The mechanics still fall under the category of immortality type 8. You can elaborate on how the immortality works in the notable attacks and techniques section but other than that, it should be listed clearly as immortality type 8 on the P&A section.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

You don't have to mention that it is effectively High-Godly. The mechanics still fall under the category of immortality type 8. You can elaborate on how the immortality works in the notable attacks and techniques section but other than that, it should be listed clearly as immortality type 8 on the P&A section.

I see. What about my first question though?
Also, I think when you're saying "it should be listed as immortality type 8 on PnA section", you're talking about Raphael's reliance on VoTW to regenerate itself, so correct me if I'm wrong. Because if that's what you're thinking, then you're misunderstanding it because that is the second level of type 8 here between Raphael and VoTW, not the first one between Raphael and Rimuru only. Raphael's case is more so what I said below:

What's not considered as Rimuru's own power is the voice of the world which is what is capable of bringing raphael back to which raphael can bring rimuru back
so yes it is only Type 8
because in a vsmatchup

VOTW would count as outside help

That would be under the assumption that Raphael is also somehow erased, however.
And that is more of a double reliency
Rimuru can come back as long as Raphael, the user's power independent of the user's own information, exists. In case Raphael is destroyed, it can bring itself back via VoTW.
So it's more like a double type 8. Ultimately, it's more so that his HGR itself, in case it is somehow dealt with by destroying both the reliant being[Rimuru] and the power/being giving the reliance[Raphael], they can both come back as long as VoTW exists.

Also, practically, VoTW's involvement is not an outside help since it's great sage's[raphael]'s ability to do so

Normally, it would be unable to provide response sin the form of conversation, but in order to answer my questions, it apparently revamped itself, diverting part of its “World Language” powers to assist me. That’s how it was explained to me, at least.
{Note: World Language refers to the Voice of the World; different translations of the same name.}

 

[Lycoris4812]

My turn to bump.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bumb...

 

[Lycoris4812]

High Godly Bumb.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bumb, don't be forgotten.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump? Or Bumb?

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Bump likely

 

[LordYanSen]

Bump highly

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Bump

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[LordYanSen]

Bump

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Bump

 

[CelestialVortex01]

I agree with ovens, Immortality type 8 seems to fit more

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Bump

 

[Verlice_tempest]

Bump

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Bump here

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump time.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

infinite bump regeneration activate

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Bump

 

[Trigger]

How many admins vote do we have here?

 

[Lycoris4812]

How many admins vote do we have here?

I don't think any yet. Sir Ovens kinda agreed but we are still waiting for input. Need to make a summary or something.

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't think any yet. Sir Ovens kinda agreed but we are still waiting for input. Need to make a summary or something.

Oven agreed with Immortality type 8 at High Godly level, not Regeneration

The mechanics still fall under the category of immortality type 8

From his lastest reply

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Bump

 

[RoninSlayer200]

This is getting sad ngl