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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

I just found something new again on YouTube.

Rimuru LN - At the level of a being from the "Promised Land" - a world that considers all worlds, Spiritual World, the Cardinal World (a higher structure than other worlds) and the realms transcendent of time to be dream/fiction.

<<Even an Ultimate Skill can be changed at will, giving Velgrind freedom and making the Power stronger, or evolving to a higher realm.>>(LN vol.15 Epilogue)

<<Velgrind after leaving Rimuru, she flew to another world transcendent of time, where she successfully reunited with a Parallel Existence, to which Feldway sent her to an unknown place.

In a place where there is neither atmosphere nor earth, Velgrind floats with the flow, not feeling the time.

If Velgrind wasn't a True Dragon, she would have died there. But she had "spatial dominance" and an infinite lifespan.>>

(LN vol.15 Epilogue) (at least Low 1-C(5D))

<<Velgrind had a series of encounters and goodbyes.

Through it all, Velgrind came to understand that there is no single world that Veldanava has created.

He created many worlds.

There was one world, and there were no parallel worlds. But there were other worlds.

There were ‘otherworlders,’ so she was aware of that fact, but Velgrind had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.

They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations/dimensions.(Spiritual world - at least 6D. The Spiritual world also includes worlds transcending time.)

From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.

There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict.

Velgrind had traveled through all those worlds.

But all of it was not of her own intention, but by what she was guided to.

There were different levels of civilizations/dimensions, and Velgrind had no way of guessing which dimension or timeline she was in. Also, because parallel universes do not overlap, it is impossible for the same entity to overlap on the same timeline.(There are two different translations with dimensions or civilizations, but you can choose at your discretion)

In other words, just because you went there once does not mean you can go to the same place.

If the Velgrind exists in the same dimension at the same time, the exact space-time coordinates can be recognized. However, as there is already a Velgrind at that time, ‘Spacetime Leap’ cannot be used to jump there, even with the Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King (Cthugha).’

So Velgrind remembered all worlds, all of Rudra.

The fleet commander of the interstellar world.

The minister of a small country in the world of swords and magic.

The rare scammer in the world without magic.

The poor scientist in the civilized world.

Velgrind is often called upon at moments of crisis when one who possesses a fragment of Rudra’s ‘soul’ is in danger. It is only when he is on the verge of death that his soul shines forth.

Some people died as children because they couldn’t get help in time. It was a very sad event, but Velgrind is convinced that it was fate.

And there was no need to mourn, because then the soul shards would gather quickly.

But she didn’t take it upon herself to hasten the time. It was the Velgrind’s pleasure to watch over Rudras of various personalities.>> (LN vol.17 Part 2) (Dimensions of different levels.(at least Low 1-C(6D), possible 1B mb nlf))

Granbell who was from the Promised Land turned into a Fictional Entity when summoned to the Cardinal World. This is like saying the relationship between Promised Land and Cardinal World is like Reality and Fiction. (This was confirmed either in 11 or 12 volumes by Mariabel reunited with Granbell in the Promised Land.)

<<The Granbell here was nothing more than a fictional entity with an actual body. In fact, the sword he had just given to Hinata had also been recreated held in his hand.

The ability to summon past champions in the form of entities of the same nature as ‘Digital Lifeforms.’ This was the essence of the Ultimate Skill ‘King of Heroes’ that Masayuki had awakened.>> (LN vol. 19 Part 4) (at least 7D, Possible Low 1-A)

Before you say that how can Velgrind be 5D if she can't move in a Suspended world and blah blah blah... I will answer this question further.

Time Stop resistance is not enough as Suspended World in itself is not a mere "Time Stop". I can't fully answer this because the true abilities of Suspended World was still not fully explained and show but based on what have been shown this is at least the abilities in vs battles or debates that characters need to have to be able to move inside it are... - Information Manipulation(type 2)/Conceptual Manipulation(type 1), Abstract Existence(type 1), Time Stop Resistance, Acausality (Probably the strongest version(5 type) as even Velgrynd(she has type 1-4) who was freed from the System could still not move but only think inside it), and Space-Time Manipulation.

I will list all the advantages and benifits of Suspended World.

Suspended World nulls all laws of physics because everything is Stop or Suspended, even abilties are supposed to be null too that is why Rimuru is surprised when Chloe used her abilities to Micheal but that is nothing to be surprised about as Chloe Ultimate Skill is literally Lord of Space-Time or now God of Space-Time after it evolved.

You can actually used a Magic as proven that Diablo did it but you need to prepared it beforehand and even if you actually prepared it, a Suspended World user can just null o destroyed it and kill you without a problem and just like you said there are no concepts of defense so matter how tough and durable you are just one tap will finish you.

There is also no gravity.

And also the fact that Suspended World affect all Worlds and dimensions means there is no escape and you can't run anywhere.

There is also the fact that Digital Lifeforms basically so fast and could exist across all Worlds as long as they send thee coordinates. Now why did I say so fast exactly? In fact, it's not about being fast, Digital Lifeforms are Creatures that are Informational Particles, and Space-Time does not affect them, they also move instantaneously in time. Now why did I say they could exist across all Worlds? It say that Suspended World affects all Worlds so if an Digital Lifeform used Suspended World they could send Information Particles basically everywhere without problems.
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I don't think it's even a matter of debunking anything, there really is a "theory" that there is a 5D or 6D world in Slime, but it's not taken seriously because for the Wiki it takes a lot more information than just something like " transcend time" or something like that, and even if the 5D world were proved, no one but Veldanava would qualify, as we only have one possible 3-A universal action statement, which is the destruction of nether worlds declared by Velgrynd, and is still being discussed a lot because many think it's about planets

about Velgrynd's speed the only thing immeasurable would be the speed of her skill as the skill allows her to transcend space-time to reach an individual like in a teleportation and not accelerates

the promised land issue, just like any other higher dimension, may or may not happen, but just like the 5D world, it needs more information

So the slime for now is at most 2-B, maybe low 1-C
 
as we only have one possible 3-A universal action statement, which is the destruction of nether worlds declared by Velgrynd, and is still being discussed
We have another 3-A statement, via Dark Magic. It came from Gadra unleashing the Nihilitic Parade, where it brought nothingness into the world, and if not controlled it would destroy the world. Primordial Demons were able to use Dark Magic and they could scale to Gadra.
 
We have another 3-A statement, via Dark Magic. It came from Gadra unleashing the Nihilitic Parade, where it brought nothingness into the world, and if not controlled it would destroy the world. Primordial Demons were able to use Dark Magic and they could scale to Gadra.
Honestly I would find it more consistent if it were a planetary feat, especially considering that Gadra shouldn't be top 30 in Tensura, even if it's through hax, the difference is too absurd too
 
Honestly I would find it more consistent if it were a planetary feat, especially considering that Gadra shouldn't be top 30 in Tensura, even if it's through hax, the difference is too absurd too
I'm sure it's 3-A, not 5-B.

Why?

Because the statement used between Nihilitic Parade and Abyss Annihilation was different. Abyss Annihilation is consistently said to be capable of destroying planets (the word used is indeed planet).

The word used in the Nihilitic Parade is 'World' which refers to the universe. Moreover, this was because Dark Magic manipulated nothingness, which made sense that nothingness would cause the universe to vanish.
 
We have another 3-A statement, via Dark Magic. It came from Gadra unleashing the Nihilitic Parade, where it brought nothingness into the world, and if not controlled it would destroy the world. Primordial Demons were able to use Dark Magic and they could scale to Gadra.
Seriously? in that context it seemed much more that they talk about destroying the planet than a universe, although I don't understand why this play on words, it seems that before volume 20 they used world to refer to planets or universes, but in volume 20 they passed to use planet for planets and world for universe, but sometimes the word world seems to refer to planet by the context, I really don't understand, I hope it's just a mistake in the MTL version because if this is from the LN we will have big problems to distinguish each other
 
I'm sure it's 3-A, not 5-B.

Why?

Because the statement used between Nihilitic Parade and Abyss Annihilation was different. Abyss Annihilation is consistently said to be capable of destroying planets (the word used is indeed planet).

The word used in the Nihilitic Parade is 'World' which refers to the universe. Moreover, this was because Dark Magic manipulated nothingness, which made sense that nothingness would cause the universe to vanish.
I don't think thinking like that would be safe, if that was the case then the same would apply to the weak worlds that Velgrynd could destroy, because if it was a planet then I would use the term 'planet' instead of 'world'


Actually, I was wondering, is there any evidence that the world Pulcinella is in is a weak world? We know it's a world with little concentration of magic, but we also know that there is nothing confirming that weak worlds are worlds with little concentration of magic, not only that, but that world still existed magic, so even if it was weak regarding concentration of magic in the air, then weak worlds can be referred to as those that have literally no concentration of magic, like the world Rimuru lived in before he died, that sort of thing, but I really need to reread that chapter from volume 17, I don't remember much about the statements regarding strong and weak worlds, maybe Velgrynd told the difference and I don't remember
 
I don't think thinking like that would be safe, if that was the case then the same would apply to the weak worlds that Velgrynd could destroy, because if it was a planet then I would use the term 'planet' instead of 'world'


Actually, I was wondering, is there any evidence that the world Pulcinella is in is a weak world? We know it's a world with little concentration of magic, but we also know that there is nothing confirming that weak worlds are worlds with little concentration of magic, not only that, but that world still existed magic, so even if it was weak regarding concentration of magic in the air, then weak worlds can be referred to as those that have literally no concentration of magic, like the world Rimuru lived in before he died, that sort of thing, but I really need to reread that chapter from volume 17, I don't remember much about the statements regarding strong and weak worlds, maybe Velgrynd told the difference and I don't remember
She didn't say, she said there are different worlds, technologically advanced worlds, worlds without magic and only then does she mention the fact that weak worlds and they can be destroyed

"There were ‘otherworlders,’ so she was aware of that fact, but Velgrynd had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.


They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations.


From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.


There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict."
 
She didn't say, she said there are different worlds, technologically advanced worlds, worlds without magic and only then does she mention the fact that weak worlds and they can be destroyed

"There were ‘otherworlders,’ so she was aware of that fact, but Velgrynd had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.


They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations.


From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.


There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict."
it's interesting how she differentiates a weak world from a world where there are awakened demon lords, so it's really possible that the world Pulcinella is in (the world where most of chapter 2 takes place) is not a world weak (at least not enough) for complete destruction, although Pulcinella is not really from that world but has invaded it, so that might not mean anything either


Before I was inclined to accept that it was a planetary feat, but now I really prefer to stay neutral, when volume 17 get a good translation there will really be a war involving it lol
 
it's interesting how she differentiates a weak world from a world where there are awakened demon lords, so it's really possible that the world Pulcinella is in (the world where most of chapter 2 takes place) is not a world weak (at least not enough) for complete destruction, although Pulcinella is not really from that world but has invaded it, so that might not mean anything either


Before I was inclined to accept that it was a planetary feat, but now I really prefer to stay neutral, when volume 17 get a good translation there will really be a war involving it lol
well, although it's not the same, the translation of vol 15 will soon be ready probably today or tomorrow, Velgrynd cites a world she traveled to in this volume, if that world is described as a universe, we might have a basis for what the volume 17 refers
 
well, although it's not the same, the translation of vol 15 will soon be ready probably today or tomorrow, Velgrynd cites a world she traveled to in this volume, if that world is described as a universe, we might have a basis for what the volume 17 refers
anything we can take the raw raw and ask someone from the wiki to translate
 
anything we can take the raw raw and ask someone from the wiki to translate
if I'm not mistaken, they already did that, but it didn't work very well, but from what I remember they had translated it as universe, only the person who did the translation said it could be incorrect because it was difficult to differentiate the two in that situation
 
if I'm not mistaken, they already did that, but it didn't work very well, but from what I remember they had translated it as universe, only the person who did the translation said it could be incorrect because it was difficult to differentiate the two in that situation
if I'm not mistaken it was used 'sekai' which is usually used to refer to planet, no?
 
if I'm not mistaken it was used 'sekai' which is usually used to refer to planet, no?
yes, Sekai was used, but they translated as universe, because if you translate it as world, I don't know the logic is right but normally isekai that would be another world is used to refer to another universe, imagine if it was another planet in this case 😂😂
 
I've also been wondering what is the use of infinite regeneration, we know he can regenerate his body, mind and soul, but so can spirit life forms, does that just involve the speed of regeneration? This is confusing because we have Carrera as an example of not being able to instantly regenerate his arm when kicked by Zelanus, but we've also seen Zelanus himself, as well as Feldway and other godtiers regenerate instantly after taking much worse hits(Zelanus received a new dragon head-on and Feldway received Novabreak), then I'll take some time to look for all the scans about Rimuru/Shion's regeneration (since they are the only ones that have confirmed infinite regeneration)then I'll take some time to look for all the scans about Rimuru/Shion's regeneration (since they are the only ones that have confirmed infinite regeneration)
Carrera couldn't regen because Zelanus's attack effects regeneration. Just like Gracia.
 
He will have his multilayer barrier which is 3layers and absolute defense and nihility barrier which is always active
ah, but this is already accepted, I at least already used it in debates, I sincerely wanted to know if it is possible to leave the powernull of Dagruel 4D, but I don't remember if the nihility barrier tanked the attacks from Shion's Susanoo
 
so in that case, what does infinite regeneration actually do? Spiritual life forms already have the power to regenerate the soul and the physical body
Infinite Regeneration is faster and it allows you to regenerate your soul. Not every spiritual lifeform has perfect memory and ultra speed regene
 
Spiritual life forms can regenerate the soul as long as the core is not destroyed, so I think the difference would be speed, with some being applied to combat and others not
Listen. I'm talking about regenerating from just your core. Not every spiritual lifeform can do that. Demons can be they innately possess Perfect Memory. No other spiritual lifeform does.
 
Listen. I'm talking about regenerating from just your core. Not every spiritual lifeform can do that. Demons can be they innately possess Perfect Memory. No other spiritual lifeform does.
oh, now that I reread it, it's really not said that all forms of spiritual life achieve this
Of course, some monsters really don’t need a brain—their intellectual makeup resides in their astral or spiritual bodies instead. There are even some supernatural creatures who think with their “hearts,” so to speak, instead of any brain organ. Think of it as kind of like people who’ve gained the Complete Memory skill, such as Shion. All that does is re-create memories, of course, but it opens up the potential for thinking purely with one’s soul and astral body… And once you achieve that, it pretty much releases you from a physical life span and punches your ticket to spiritual livelihood.
so maybe only a few spirit life forms can achieve this? I don't know, but there wasn't something to distinguish it like in WN as far as I remember
 
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Shouldn't velzard + rimuru and yuuki get resistance negation from Envious King Leviathan?
 
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ow it's been a while since I've seen so many Slime CTRs, especially for WN, I thought they had already left it aside
 
Man I suck hard when it comes to higher dimensions .Can anyone give me some reliable sources to learn more about them ?

The problem is that the basic knowledge I have on this topic is learnt from "Goku solos " or Rimuru is boundless type of scalers .
 
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