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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

i don't know tbh, 2A with Skill Alteration? but that isn't AP related. Maybe Imaginary Space was infinite the whole time but Rimuru didn't have access to all of it before?
2-A: Multiverse level+
Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[2], creating and/or destroying a countably infinite number of space-time continuums.

Note : "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, merging the structure with another one, etc.
 
2-A: Multiverse level+
Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[2], creating and/or destroying a countably infinite number of space-time continuums.

Note : "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, merging the structure with another one, etc.
I know what "Significantly affect" is, i'm just not sure if Ciel skill alteration really "affect" it
 
I know what "Significantly affect" is, i'm just not sure if Ciel skill alteration really "affect" it
Of course.

Because Rimuru's Imaginary Space is the result of the evolution (Upgrade) of Stomach and Isolation. It's not like Rimuru got Imaginary Space from somewhere. It was because Ciel upgraded it.
 
Of course.

Because Rimuru's Imaginary Space is the result of the evolution (Upgrade) of Stomach and Isolation. It's not like Rimuru got Imaginary Space from somewhere. It was because Ciel upgraded it.
Is Imaginary Space finite previously(i forgot)?
 
If it only via Skill Alteration Ig its still consistent because its not combat applicable. still feels weird that from all of thing Rimuru have, it would be that.
 
maybe a possibly 2-A is the best thing, either that or we just keep it as 2-B anyway, because I can already see Slime's power scale falling apart now that I thought about it, because if Ciel did the evolution she would need it too energy to complete it isn't it?! If so, the question remains where did that energy come from? maybe Turn Null was more powerful than we thought or is it just a matter of skill?
 
maybe a possibly 2-A is the best thing, either that or we just keep it as 2-B anyway, because I can already see Slime's power scale falling apart now that I thought about it, because if Ciel did the evolution she would need it too energy to complete it isn't it?! If so, the question remains where did that energy come from? maybe Turn Null was more powerful than we thought or is it just a matter of skill?
Rimuru seems worthy to take the mantle of likely 2-B, possibly 2-A from Anos. Hope y’all can get #1 in non-Smurf 2-A.
 
2-A: Multiverse level+
Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[2], creating and/or destroying a countably infinite number of space-time continuums.

Note : "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, merging the structure with another one, etc.

Rimuru himself is basically the 2-A structure since Imaginary space is inside him .

STOMACH is inside Rimuru and imaginary space is the upgraded version .What do you think ?

Also Ciel can manage the entirety of this structure
 
maybe a possibly 2-A is the best thing, either that or we just keep it as 2-B anyway, because I can already see Slime's power scale falling apart now that I thought about it, because if Ciel did the evolution she would need it too energy to complete it isn't it?! If so, the question remains where did that energy come from? maybe Turn Null was more powerful than we thought or is it just a matter of skill?
I wouldn't really find it consistent for it to be 2A, but it really makes sense so I think the wiki would accept
 
Rimuru himself is basically the 2-A structure since Imaginary space is inside him .

STOMACH is inside Rimuru and imaginary space is the upgraded version .What do you think ?
Slime Rimuru is still small even though he devoured Veldora. Imaginary Space's size isn't dependent on Rimuru's size
 
I wanted to see Rimuru 2A, but by that logic I disagree, unless we're ignoring all story consistency
 
in LN it was finite, it only became infinite in volume 15, it should probably be the same in WN
 
we have a dilemma here, the logic behind it makes sense, the problem is the scale of power of the verse after that, because if when Rimuru acquired the imaginary space he already had such power, other comparable characters should also have it, and if it follows that there are several inconsistencies in the power level of the work.

Unless this is because of its constant evolution at the end of time, since before that imaginary space was never portrayed as being able to swallow a universe or store so much Turn Null, what do you think?
 
we have a dilemma here, the logic behind it makes sense, the problem is the scale of power of the verse after that, because if when Rimuru acquired the imaginary space he already had such power, other comparable characters should also have it, and if it follows that there are several inconsistencies in the power level of the work.

Unless this is because of its constant evolution at the end of time, since before that imaginary space was never portrayed as being able to swallow a universe or store so much Turn Null, what do you think?
nah, he acquired the imaginary space against Veldora and Velgrynd, if it was 2A, he could stomp the verse if it really was
 
the problem is the scale of power of the verse after that, because if when Rimuru acquired the imaginary space he already had such power, other comparable characters should also have it, and if it follows that there are several inconsistencie
Why be inconsistent?

Rimuru is the only character who possesses Imaginary Space. Even Veldanava didn't have it. Since Veldanava lost Turn Null, it was assumed that he had no imaginary space because he didn't have a place to put Turn Null.

Rimuru getting tier 2-A didn't cause any inconsistencies.

I will propose '2-B, Likely 2-A' for Rimuru Tempest
 
Why be inconsistent?

Rimuru is the only character who possesses Imaginary Space. Even Veldanava didn't have it. Since Veldanava lost Turn Null, it was assumed that he had no imaginary space because he didn't have a place to put Turn Null.

Rimuru getting tier 2-A didn't cause any inconsistencies.

I will propose '2-B, Likely 2-A' for Rimuru Tempest
it's inconsistent because if he had AP 2A, he could beat up all of the verse with that one difference, no?
 
nah, he acquired the imaginary space against Veldora and Velgrynd, if it was 2A, he could stomp the verse if it really was
That's why I said it would be inconsistent, and that's why I think the infinite capacity of imaginary space came after Rimuru came out of the end of time, because there it was said that Rimuru evolved absurdly and it is not known for sure how long he stayed there, my theory is that Rimuru's evolution gave imaginary space infinite capacity, because if I'm not mistaken it was at this time that Ciel said that imaginary space was infinite, as well as the ability to store both Turn Null and later she said that Beelzebuth could destroy a universe, but as we know it would simply absorb everything into imaginary space, my point is all this was said after Rimuru was sent to the end of time and if so would it make sense?
 
Why be inconsistent?

Rimuru is the only character who possesses Imaginary Space. Even Veldanava didn't have it. Since Veldanava lost Turn Null, it was assumed that he had no imaginary space because he didn't have a place to put Turn Null.

Rimuru getting tier 2-A didn't cause any inconsistencies.

I will propose '2-B, Likely 2-A' for Rimuru Tempest
possibly 2-A would even be nice, if he doesn't break the verse's power scale
 
I hate that everyone calls it Turn Null instead of primordial energy. Primordial energy seems to only exist when there is nothing else, as it existed pre-Veldanava but once Veldanava created the World it "ceased to exist". After the World was ended by the Great Spriit of Destruction, it came into "existence" once again. This is probably why Yuuki couldn't recreate it with Akashic Records, because the World was still existing at that point.

I'm guessing that Ciel altered Rimuru's stomach after analyzing primordial energy while Rimuru was still sleeping. Since Imaginary Space is the perfect habitat for Primordial energy, as IP is an infinite nothing that is independent of reality and the World.
 
I see that WN has received several upgrades. So I want to talk about LN

I think Rimuru is at least tier 4c from Milim's battle and possibly l2c because it destroys a 4D world (from Chloe's journey I think it should be 4D), but I'm not sure. Is it the same in every world?
 
nah, he acquired the imaginary space against Veldora and Velgrynd, if it was 2A, he could stomp the verse if it really was
Well .Not defending 2-A rather Ruminas here

Ruminas could handle a 3-A being 6-A with hax ,right ?
If so then why wouldn't Veldora and velgrynd be able to do the same ?
 
I see that WN has received several upgrades. So I want to talk about LN

I think Rimuru is at least tier 4c from Milim's battle and possibly l2c because it destroys a 4D world (from Chloe's journey I think it should be 4D), but I'm not sure. Is it the same in every world?
Yes he is at least 4-C .

Destroying a 4-D world ?When did that happen ?(Well there's a war going on here on the topic whether The word "World " is universe or a planet ...) If it's the world destruction statement from Volume -20 then probably no
 
Yes he is at least 4-C .

Destroying a 4-D world ?When did that happen ?(Well there's a war going on here on the topic whether The word "World " is universe or a planet ...) If it's the world destruction statement from Volume -20 then probably no
I'm not sure what the world is Planets or universe, but from Chloe's travels, I think the world is 4D and from volume 17 it is said that a true dragon-level entity can destroy the world.

but i'm not sure That every world is 4D?
 
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if you really want it so bad, ig in later CRT i will
honestly I want


In case you can, we should also take advantage and withdraw the NEP type 3 so that there is no more confusion in the future, I also want to ask you, do you think the 2A range is still ok? I thought infinite low2-C would be 2A but it doesn't seem to be the case
 
honestly I want


In case you can, we should also take advantage and withdraw the NEP type 3 so that there is no more confusion in the future, I also want to ask you, do you think the 2A range is still ok? I thought infinite low2-C would be 2A but it doesn't seem to be the case
why remove NEP 3?
 
why remove NEP 3?
Because a character cannot have 2 types of NEP of the same aspect, DT, Everything12 and Dereck talked about it and came to this conclusion, only it was not removed because the CRT had already been finalized
 
I was reading volume 15 and I started to think, which characters have used law manipulation in an offensive way? We know that ultimate skill users can manipulate the laws defensively rendering the attacks of those still bound by the laws of the world ineffective, but how else is it used?
 
Because a character cannot have 2 types of NEP of the same aspect, DT, Everything12 and Dereck talked about it and came to this conclusion, only it was not removed because the CRT had already been finalized
well it makes sense, will something else be removed?
 
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