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that would just make energy deeper than concepts tbh
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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20
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2-A: Multiverse level+
Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[2], creating and/or destroying a countably infinite number of space-time continuums.
Note : "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, merging the structure with another one, etc.
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I know what "Significantly affect" is, i'm just not sure if Ciel skill alteration really "affect" it
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Of course.
Because Rimuru's Imaginary Space is the result of the evolution (Upgrade) of Stomach and Isolation. It's not like Rimuru got Imaginary Space from somewhere. It was because Ciel upgraded it.
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Is Imaginary Space finite previously(i forgot)?
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maybe a possibly 2-A is the best thing, either that or we just keep it as 2-B anyway, because I can already see Slime's power scale falling apart now that I thought about it, because if Ciel did the evolution she would need it too energy to complete it isn't it?! If so, the question remains where did that energy come from? maybe Turn Null was more powerful than we thought or is it just a matter of skill?
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Rimuru seems worthy to take the mantle of likely 2-B, possibly 2-A from Anos. Hope y’all can get #1 in non-Smurf 2-A.
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In that case it might be ok I think, I just opened the possibility
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2-A: Multiverse level+
Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[2], creating and/or destroying a countably infinite number of space-time continuums.
Note : "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, merging the structure with another one, etc.
Rimuru himself is basically the 2-A structure since Imaginary space is inside him .
STOMACH is inside Rimuru and imaginary space is the upgraded version .What do you think ?
Also Ciel can manage the entirety of this structure
Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[2], creating and/or destroying a countably infinite number of space-time continuums.
Note : "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, merging the structure with another one, etc.
Rimuru himself is basically the 2-A structure since Imaginary space is inside him .
STOMACH is inside Rimuru and imaginary space is the upgraded version .What do you think ?
Also Ciel can manage the entirety of this structure
Peak
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I wouldn't really find it consistent for it to be 2A, but it really makes sense so I think the wiki would accept
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Slime Rimuru is still small even though he devoured Veldora. Imaginary Space's size isn't dependent on Rimuru's size
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What about Ciel though she should be able to manage/affect he entirety of imaginary space ?
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Stomach? Yeah, stomach is finite, i think
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we have a dilemma here, the logic behind it makes sense, the problem is the scale of power of the verse after that, because if when Rimuru acquired the imaginary space he already had such power, other comparable characters should also have it, and if it follows that there are several inconsistencies in the power level of the work.
Unless this is because of its constant evolution at the end of time, since before that imaginary space was never portrayed as being able to swallow a universe or store so much Turn Null, what do you think?
Unless this is because of its constant evolution at the end of time, since before that imaginary space was never portrayed as being able to swallow a universe or store so much Turn Null, what do you think?
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nah, he acquired the imaginary space against Veldora and Velgrynd, if it was 2A, he could stomp the verse if it really was
Lesser_Goddess_Alexia
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Why be inconsistent?
Rimuru is the only character who possesses Imaginary Space. Even Veldanava didn't have it. Since Veldanava lost Turn Null, it was assumed that he had no imaginary space because he didn't have a place to put Turn Null.
Rimuru getting tier 2-A didn't cause any inconsistencies.
I will propose '2-B, Likely 2-A' for Rimuru Tempest
Peak
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it's inconsistent because if he had AP 2A, he could beat up all of the verse with that one difference, no?
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That's why I said it would be inconsistent, and that's why I think the infinite capacity of imaginary space came after Rimuru came out of the end of time, because there it was said that Rimuru evolved absurdly and it is not known for sure how long he stayed there, my theory is that Rimuru's evolution gave imaginary space infinite capacity, because if I'm not mistaken it was at this time that Ciel said that imaginary space was infinite, as well as the ability to store both Turn Null and later she said that Beelzebuth could destroy a universe, but as we know it would simply absorb everything into imaginary space, my point is all this was said after Rimuru was sent to the end of time and if so would it make sense?
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possibly 2-A would even be nice, if he doesn't break the verse's power scale
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I hate that everyone calls it Turn Null instead of primordial energy. Primordial energy seems to only exist when there is nothing else, as it existed pre-Veldanava but once Veldanava created the World it "ceased to exist". After the World was ended by the Great Spriit of Destruction, it came into "existence" once again. This is probably why Yuuki couldn't recreate it with Akashic Records, because the World was still existing at that point.
I'm guessing that Ciel altered Rimuru's stomach after analyzing primordial energy while Rimuru was still sleeping. Since Imaginary Space is the perfect habitat for Primordial energy, as IP is an infinite nothing that is independent of reality and the World.
I'm guessing that Ciel altered Rimuru's stomach after analyzing primordial energy while Rimuru was still sleeping. Since Imaginary Space is the perfect habitat for Primordial energy, as IP is an infinite nothing that is independent of reality and the World.
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Well .Not defending 2-A rather Ruminas here
Ruminas could handle a 3-A being 6-A with hax ,right ?
If so then why wouldn't Veldora and velgrynd be able to do the same ?
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Yes he is at least 4-C .
Destroying a 4-D world ?When did that happen ?(Well there's a war going on here on the topic whether The word "World " is universe or a planet ...) If it's the world destruction statement from Volume -20 then probably no
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I'm not sure what the world is Planets or universe, but from Chloe's travels, I think the world is 4D and from volume 17 it is said that a true dragon-level entity can destroy the world.
but i'm not sure That every world is 4D?
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Bro still mad Ruminas isnt 3A
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Of course !Bro still mad Ruminas isnt 3A
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if you really want it so bad, ig in later CRT i will
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In case you can, we should also take advantage and withdraw the NEP type 3 so that there is no more confusion in the future, I also want to ask you, do you think the 2A range is still ok? I thought infinite low2-C would be 2A but it doesn't seem to be the case
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I think it's best to forget about it for now, but it depends on Thunderian
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why remove NEP 3?
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Because a character cannot have 2 types of NEP of the same aspect, DT, Everything12 and Dereck talked about it and came to this conclusion, only it was not removed because the CRT had already been finalized
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outside take the nep 3 and add the possible 2A will you try to update anything else?
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I was reading volume 15 and I started to think, which characters have used law manipulation in an offensive way? We know that ultimate skill users can manipulate the laws defensively rendering the attacks of those still bound by the laws of the world ineffective, but how else is it used?
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has CRT about abstract existence being discussed, existence beyond dimensional and large size type 9, but honestly both 2A and large size are very questionable, I don't see it being acceptedbut honestly both 2A and large size are very questionable, I don't see it being accepted
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well it makes sense, will something else be removed?
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