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Tengen Toppen Gurren Lagann and Granzeboma Revision
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I messaged Azathoth and asked him to comment here Ant.
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No problem.
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We may need more staff approval.. But it does seems straightforward though. I'm fine with the tier 1 upgrade.
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The Universal rating for the SGGL confuses me a little bit.
Since these weapons that were used to aim at the Ashtanga were probability based, wouldn't it mean that these would have been aimed at the probable locations of where Ashtanga was going to be, at a very specific point in the time axis?
It is why he LordGenome locked onto where the Ashtanga's location was at the time (since he is currently traveling throughout the timeline), and aimed the weapons at the locations that the Ashtanga was probably going to be at that specific point in time, which is why a specific coordinate of: Near past -10, Near future +8 is used.
This seems like a very specific point in time, instead of the attack simultaneously going at 10 Planck seconds in the past/8 Planck seconds in the future simultaneously, as if this were the case, the attack would have been stated as
"traveling 10 units into the past, 8 units into the future"
Assuming that these units refer to actual Planck time.
It is also the reason why only one Ashtanga falls out of the time axis, instead of multiples of them when they are hit by the attacks, as only one Ashtanga can exist at one specific period of time (Planck second in this case), meaning SGGL's attack was directly aimed at a very specific point in time, instead of traveling throughout a period of time here.
Since these weapons that were used to aim at the Ashtanga were probability based, wouldn't it mean that these would have been aimed at the probable locations of where Ashtanga was going to be, at a very specific point in the time axis?
It is why he LordGenome locked onto where the Ashtanga's location was at the time (since he is currently traveling throughout the timeline), and aimed the weapons at the locations that the Ashtanga was probably going to be at that specific point in time, which is why a specific coordinate of: Near past -10, Near future +8 is used.
This seems like a very specific point in time, instead of the attack simultaneously going at 10 Planck seconds in the past/8 Planck seconds in the future simultaneously, as if this were the case, the attack would have been stated as
"traveling 10 units into the past, 8 units into the future"
Assuming that these units refer to actual Planck time.
It is also the reason why only one Ashtanga falls out of the time axis, instead of multiples of them when they are hit by the attacks, as only one Ashtanga can exist at one specific period of time (Planck second in this case), meaning SGGL's attack was directly aimed at a very specific point in time, instead of traveling throughout a period of time here.
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As for the enemy units part, I think that this refers to the probable location of the enemy unit in question or Ashtanga's probable location at that situation.
If the "Enemy units detected" part that Viral states during the scene actually refers to the Ashtangas instead of the probable location, why does only one Ashtanga fall out when it gets hit by SGGL's attack instead of a whole swarm of them?
Otherwise, I think that SGGL would have no need to use any probability related weapons to aim at Ashtanga, as SGGL could have locked onto the Ashtanga's exact location at the time, and would have just fired at it from there.
The Immeasurable speed of the attack looks okay though, although this could only count for attack speed, and not reactions. It was never shown that SGGL himself has never dodged an attack that travels from the past, or the future.
If the "Enemy units detected" part that Viral states during the scene actually refers to the Ashtangas instead of the probable location, why does only one Ashtanga fall out when it gets hit by SGGL's attack instead of a whole swarm of them?
Otherwise, I think that SGGL would have no need to use any probability related weapons to aim at Ashtanga, as SGGL could have locked onto the Ashtanga's exact location at the time, and would have just fired at it from there.
The Immeasurable speed of the attack looks okay though, although this could only count for attack speed, and not reactions. It was never shown that SGGL himself has never dodged an attack that travels from the past, or the future.
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@Joseph, Ant
TTGL doesn't need to be At least 2-B, likely High 1-C. It scales to the Granzeboma in both keys, which is At least Low 2-C, likely High 1-C. One key is at a higher level than the other, that's all. TTGL was NOT able to defeat the Granzeboma in combat; Simon was, and Simon scales to the AS' third key, which is the Anti-Spiral's true form.
Also, @Khristis, they say the attack will hit all possible points on the time axis; I can get scans if that would be helpful.
TTGL doesn't need to be At least 2-B, likely High 1-C. It scales to the Granzeboma in both keys, which is At least Low 2-C, likely High 1-C. One key is at a higher level than the other, that's all. TTGL was NOT able to defeat the Granzeboma in combat; Simon was, and Simon scales to the AS' third key, which is the Anti-Spiral's true form.
Also, @Khristis, they say the attack will hit all possible points on the time axis; I can get scans if that would be helpful.
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At all possible points, but why did the need to figure out a specific coordinate in time before firing the attack?
If it was able to hit at all possible points on the axis, there would be no need to figure out the coordinates (the near stuff) before firing said attack.
If it was able to hit at all possible points on the axis, there would be no need to figure out the coordinates (the near stuff) before firing said attack.
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I fail to see a single argument against the Tier 2 & 1 stuff. More incredulity than anything.
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Looking at the evidence it seems like this is solid stuff. I agree with Matt.
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Looks good for me.
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I really don't see the issue here.
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Actually rewatched some of the series (and movie) recently, and in all honesty, I don't really have issue with this, off the top of my head.
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There's a difference between the anime and the movies.
In the anime, Lord Genome converts the energy and TTGL eats it, becoming vastly stronger (Comparable/equal to Granzeboma)
In the movies and (I think) the manga, the TTGL bots absorb it and form STTGL.
Both potentialities are covered.
In the anime, Lord Genome converts the energy and TTGL eats it, becoming vastly stronger (Comparable/equal to Granzeboma)
In the movies and (I think) the manga, the TTGL bots absorb it and form STTGL.
Both potentialities are covered.
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That's the second movie, Lagann-hen, aka The Lights in the Sky are Stars, and if I'm not mistaken, the manga features that as well.
This is from the anime:
This is from the anime:
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So what's the basis of 2-B not being 2-A or vice versa?
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@UMR
I do not think that there was any statement about infinite universes mentioned above.
@All
Anyway, since Azathoth also seems to agree with this, I suppose that the time is getting close to close this thread.
I do not think that there was any statement about infinite universes mentioned above.
@All
Anyway, since Azathoth also seems to agree with this, I suppose that the time is getting close to close this thread.
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If everyone else agrees, then I'll shut my mouth on this. Not like I have a problem with GL being upgraded.
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Alright, and yes this can be closed I think.
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