Tears of the Kingdom Spoilers Thread

[Dust_Collector]

I think when Sidon, Yunobo, Riju, and Tulin awaken as Sages they should be At least 5-C, possibly 5-A.

They def scaled to mummified Ganondorf in some form, they could counter his attacks at Hyrule Castle and it's implied that at the very least their combined strength was too much for him to handle without his full power so solildy 5-C IMO. They could also hold their own against full power Ganondorf and his clones but once he went all out he one shot them so they'd at best downscale from the 21 yottatons calc.

 

[Lou_change]

I mean he shows water powers that are technically new

 

[Dalesean027]

I mean he shows water powers that are technically new

Yeah and the other zora show they can also purify the waters and do exactly what sidon was doing aside from the water bubble but otherwise they go out of their way to say he's actually been restraining himself in these times since botw so he hasn't been training or growing he's literally just been protecting the domain

 

[Lou_change]

I guess, anyway is this Ganondorf and calamity Ganon going to have separate pages and will he keep Age of Calamity stuff.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah they'll get separate pages with all the BOTW stuff currently on OG Ganondorfs profile being removed once those profiles are made. Don't know if we're keeping Age of Calamity stuff, we still use it last time I checked it's just an alt timeline due to time travel.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

Should the limited be taken away from the Master Swords Time Travel? Since iirc it travels backwards in time at the beginning of the game without aid of the pedestal at the Temple of Time

 

[Lou_change]

I think that was Zelda's doing

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah that's just recall doing all the work, the Master Sword was just along for the ride.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

No rewatched the cutscene
she says "you traveled through time to find me and recover your strength?"

 

[Dalesean027]

Scumbag is right zelda didn't initiate rewind it literally travelled back on its own in the cutscene from the tear

 

[Lou_change]

So what is the light?

 

[Dust_Collector]

It got put into the energy that does recall that stems from, it didn't just do it by itself Link had to put it into that time energy first before it could go back.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

ah my bad

 

[Dust_Collector]

btw when it comes to scaling abilities between Malice and Gloom what'd be the best way to deal with that? As much as I'd love to just list it all together I know the site can be a bit anal about this kinda stuff without direct statements and such, so would we just stick all the Malice stuff in a seperate tab for Ganondorf and preface it with something like "Should possess the same abilties blah blah blah" and then dump all the abilities from Malice that he didn't showcase in this game with his Gloom.

 

[Dalesean027]

It got put into the energy that does recall that stems from, it didn't just do it by itself Link had to put it into that time energy first before it could go back.

Ah okay that's weird then because technically neither zelda nor link initiated the light that did the recall it was just there

 

[Dalesean027]

btw when it comes to scaling abilities between Malice and Gloom what'd be the best way to deal with that? As much as I'd love to just list it all together I know the site can be a bit anal about this kinda stuff without direct statements and such, so would we just stick all the Malice stuff in a seperate tab for Ganondorf and preface it with something like "Should possess the same abilties blah blah blah" and then dump all the abilities from Malice that he didn't showcase in this game with his Gloom.

That's what I'd say since gloom is functionally just malice on steroids

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ah okay that's weird then because technically neither zelda nor link initiated the light that did the recall it was just there

Yeah it's weird but I guess that's because the sword already has minor time powers, it probably activated recall by itself once it had access to that energy so probs just further justification for it's limited time travel.

 

[Dalesean027]

Also thank **** Link is way more haxxy on this game than the last like he's even got funny resistance to death manipulation

 

[Dust_Collector]

Link in general is just way more cracked than he was last game, legit went from one of the weakest incarnations to one of the strongest.

 

[Dalesean027]

Link in general is just way more cracked than he was last game, legit went from one of the weakest incarnations to one of the strongest.

Like insanely both hax and AP wise

 

[Lou_change]

Let's see 5 summons, an unarmed technique from yiga, the constructs, definitely not just a reskined magic armor, and surprisingly good adhesive manipulation.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Age of Calamity is weird. It's an alternate timeline stemming from the Egg Guardian's involvement.

I think it can be used for the most part. For example, everything pre-egg happened the exact same as it did in the main timeline. Stuff like the second gen Champions showing up and the Blights getting defeated obviously can't be used, but I think it's fairly accurate.

 

[Lou_change]

Stuff like the second gen Champions showing up and the Blights getting defeated obviously can't be used, but I think it's fairly accurate.

Why not they were sent back in time to beat the blights and then went back to the future I don’t think it messes with anything.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ganon whips out a blood moon during the final battle

Quickest one yet takes like 6ish seconds from when his gloom starts darkening the world to when the blood moon is revealed. He pulled it pretty close as well like that shit is huge.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Age of Calamity is only an alternate timeline from the Age of Calamity side. The BotW side still has it as noncanon.

Hyrule Warriors, on the other hand, is treated as a parallel dimension because WoG says it is and then it's later referenced in the DLC.

 

[Lou_change]

Age of Calamity is only an alternate timeline from the Age of Calamity side. The BotW side still has it as noncanon.

Your evidence being

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Why not they were sent back in time to beat the blights and then went back to the future I don’t think it messes with anything.

None of them remember it in TOTK

 

[Lou_change]

None of them remember it in TOTK

They never mention it that doesn’t mean they don’t remember

 

[ShockingPsychic]

They never mention it that doesn’t mean they don’t remember

If the events of Age of Calamity were canon to BotW/TotK, it would be absurd to never have any of the characters mention it, even as an offhanded reference. Sidon never mentions meeting Mipha or taking down Water Blight, none of them recall facing Ganon, etc. I'm positive there exists something that either confirms ot debunks this though

And tbh? I think that's for the best, story-wise at least. Having a time travel spinoff AU game be canon would just be bad for the continuity.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Doesn't mean we can't make a shitload of profiles off it using the scaling of the first game, though.

 

[Lou_change]

If the events of Age of Calamity were canon to BotW/TotK, it would be absurd to never have any of the characters mention it, even as an offhanded reference. Sidon never mentions meeting Mipha or taking down Water Blight, none of them recall facing Ganon, etc. I'm positive there exists something that either confirms ot debunks this though

And tbh? I think that's for the best, story-wise at least. Having a time travel spinoff AU game be canon would just be bad for the continuity.

They outright say that no one is going to believe them

 

[Tyloxtus]

...Including Link himself?

 

[thetechmaster36]

Ganon whips out a blood moon during the final battle

Quickest one yet takes like 6ish seconds from when his gloom starts darkening the world to when the blood moon is revealed. He pulled it pretty close as well like that shit is huge.

HOH

I myself didn't know that (you don't have to worry about me being spoiled, I don't really care about spoilers), so that's actually damn impressive.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

Would Link being able to eat fire, lightning, and ice fruit give him natural resistances to elemental attacks of those varieties?

 

[Lou_change]

...Including Link himself?

Seemingly yes

 

[Tyloxtus]

No. The game gives no evidence that their bare selves hurt people.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Think we need a thread to determine whether or not we can use Age of Calamity for the main profiles, it's canonicity has always been a hot topic and even without the time travel stuff casuing a split timeline the events in the game don't line up with BOTW (Most notably Link had the Master since he was like 13 or something, but in Age of Calamity he doesn't have it when Terrako first arrives and any changes to the timeline can happen)

 

[Tyloxtus]

Pretty sure we were never able to use it

 

[Dust_Collector]

Well we ended up just using it anyway, Calamity Ganon has abilities listed on the profile that came from Age of Calamity and we have Link and Zelda at FTL via the flurry rush due to a calc from the game as well (Although Link has it listed as his normal combat speed for some reason). It's why I think we need another thread to discuss it properly.

 

[Dalesean027]

Well we ended up just using it anyway, Calamity Ganon has abilities listed on the profile that came from Age of Calamity and we have Link and Zelda at FTL via the flurry rush due to a calc from the game as well (Although Link has it listed as his normal combat speed for some reason). It's why I think we need another thread to discuss it properly.

Ah then it should probably be negged then