Swamp thing 1-A buff

[Takazuka]

Since swamp thing re created creation and beat prayala shouldnt he be 1-A?

 

[BleedingPeach]

But Pralaya has two keys and one of them is High 1-B.

 

[Takazuka]

that needs to be updated, because the moniter sphere was deemed the highest dimension in dc and they upgraded thought robot to 1A

 

[Takazuka]

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Pralaya (DC Comics)
[1]View source [2] Share ---- [3] ==Summary== Pralaya is the Embodiment of Nothingness in DC Comics. Called "The Goddess of The Void", she is Non-Existence itself, the emptiness from which the entire Multiverse is born, and to which it always returns. She awakens from her slumber in Justice League Dark #37, almost immediately engulfing all of the Multiverse's timelines into her fathomless self. Her desire is to end all of existence, bringing everything back to the primordial cosmic sleep.

Powers and Stats
Tier: High 1-B | 1-A

Name: Pralaya

Origin: DC Comics

Gender: Inapplicable. Appears female

Age: Predates All of Time, has always existed

Classification: Abstract Being, Embodiment of The Void, Goddess of The Void, Higher-Dimensional Being

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3, and 10), Non-Corporeal, Reality Warping, Abstract Existence (Type 1), Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Soul Manipulation, Life & Death Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Nothingness/Non-Existence Manipulation, Regenerationn (High-Godly), Flight, Teleportation, Telekinesis, Telepathy, Mind Manipulation, Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 2), Large Size (Type 11)

Attack Potency: High Hyperverse level (Destroyed all Higher Spatial and Temporal Dimensions of Creation, and did so after erasing the entirety of the Multiverse. Other DC Dark storylines have established creation as Infinite Dimensional, and J.M. DeMatteis writes DC Cosmology as Infinite-Dimensional, confirmed by WoG) | Outerverse level (She exists far beyond the multiverse as the personification of the void before creation within her own transcendental realm. She can supposedly absorb an aspect of God)

Speed: Immeasurable | Irrelevant

Lifting Strength: Immeasurable | Irrelevant

Striking Strength: High Hyperversal | Outerversal

Durability: High Hyperverse level | Outerverse level

Stamina: Infinite | Infinite

Range: High Hyperversal | Outerversal

Standard Equipment: Inapplicable

Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient

Weaknesses: None Notable | Her actions are restricted to her reality until the time of the Sea of Brahma

Feats:

• Destroyed all of time in the entirety of the infinite multiverse.
• Her physical avatar escaped from its higher-dimensional prison and swallowed the 5-dimensional realm of now.
• Created an infinite number of beings who could devour all of time and were immune to multiversal+ attacks through her mind.
• Destroyed all higher spatial and temporal dimensions

 

[Takazuka]

this is for thought robot

Attack Potency: At least High Hyperverse level, likely Outerverse level (Exists in the Monitor-Sphere, an archetypal realm and fundamental world where everything is more profound and absolute, as a body of pure thought in a realm of nothingness, a "Self-Assembling Hyper Story" beyond the Story of DC Comics. The Monitor-Sphere was said to be an archetypal realm that exists beyond the story of DC and its multiverse which has bee repeatedly writte as a Infinite-Dimensional structure)

 

[Takazuka]

swamp thing at least needs a "likely 1-A" with world tree

 

[Zensum]

Swamp Thing only recreated the High 1-B construct. The World Tree didn't actually defeat Prayala but by regrowing the multiverse, Prayala no longer had claim over it, as reailty only returns to the void in the end.

 

[Takazuka]

Swamp Thing only recreated the High 1-B construct. The World Tree didn't actually defeat Prayala but by regrowing the multiverse, Prayala no longer had claim over it, as reailty only returns to the void in the end.

Huh? its direclty stated the worldd trees roots stretch across all creation which prayala destroyed, which the world tree re created once swamp thing put his consounce into the world tree.

 

[Takazuka]

(The World Tree is the root of all Creation, including all higher dimensions, with it he completely obliterated Pralaya and restored all creation into existence)

directy on the key says it restored all higher dimensions into existene, how isnt this 1A?

 

[Takazuka]

"restored all creation" which includes the moniter sphere, 1-A revisions please or downgrade thought robot, ur choice

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[Zensum]

Creation as in the multiverse, it says nothing of the higher realms of the cosmology. Prayala still exists like Zatana says in the end, they merely stopped her from returning everything to the void as it was no longer her place to take it. The reason the whole story happened in the first place is because this process was accelerated. The World Tree fixed this issue.

 

[Takazuka]

except the key itself created by this site says she destroyed all higher dimensional planes

 

[Takazuka]

Creation as in the multiverse, it says nothing of the higher realms of the cosmology. Prayala still exists like Zatana says in the end, they merely stopped her from returning everything to the void as it was no longer her place to take it. The reason the whole story happened in the first place is because this process was accelerated. The World Tree fixed this issue.

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shes said to be the void of infinite nothingess as an infinite ocean, also said before the creator and creation, thats refering to stuff outside the ordery of the worlds. you have nothing to refute it

 

[Takazuka]

also her stating she destroyed time and space from all directions supports the key of her destroying all higher and lower dimensions< does it not? if you dont agree im gonna need some scans/evidence from your part

 

[Zensum]

It says she destroyed all of the multiverses higher spatial and temporal dimensions, not the higher realms/domains of vertigo thats why its High 1-B

 

[Takazuka]

she already tured everything into a void within the storyline itself if you read 2015 justice league dark final issues, swamp thing using the world tree literally obliterated her and re created all the higher and lower dimensions she destroyed

 

[Asriel77]

Actually according to thought robots key the moniter sphere is the highest dimensional plane in dc. Which according to her key is only high 1-B yet its likely 1-A on thought robots profile. If its 1A then i agree with takazuka this feat and swamp tbings feat should be upgraded to 1A

 

[Asriel77]

Plus, if the statement they are going by as all spatial and temperoal dimensions then yes its 1A. The statement in fact says it goes forth all of creation which is deemed 1A on thought robots profile

 

[Zensum]

Yes she erased everything as in returned it to the void and the world tree regrew it thats why it burst out of her. As the multiverse was returned to normal she could no longer claim it. This is where the High 1-B rating comes from.

 

[Takazuka]

then that easily makes him 1-A if he was able to recreate the infinite void she created to wipe out all of creation even the moniter sphere.

 

[Takazuka]

and plus high 1-B world tree doesnt just "obliterate" someone thats 1-A unless they have ap or hax on that level

 

[Asriel77]

Regardless if the moniter sphere was re created that is also an outerversal feat. As well as swamp thing pretty much beating prayala

 

[Asriel77]

and plus high 1-B world tree doesnt just "obliterate" someone thats 1-A unless they have ap or hax on that level

Yeah i agree, her existence itself is already outerversal so its like this should be a baseline 1-A upgrade

 

[Zensum]

The tree recreated the multiverse not the void. The World Tree is fighting her H1-B avatar not her true self which is never shown.

The monitor sphere was not recreated.

 

[Asriel77]

The tree recreated the multiverse not the void. The World Tree is fighting her H1-B avatar not her true self which is never shown.

The monitor sphere was not recreated.

 

[Takazuka]

buddy the evidence in swamp things key says it recreated creation of what the infinite void destroyed. thats an outerversal feat

 

[Asriel77]

It directly says in his key he re created all higher dimensions in dc which prayala destroyed.

 

[Takazuka]

again if he re created all higher dimensions that also counts as the moniter sphere

 

[Zensum]

The profile says she destroyed the multiverse including its higher spatial/temp D = H1-B. The tree regrew it. What part is the issue?

 

[Takazuka]

world tree is said to be omnipresent through all higher dimensions. it restrored all of creation in which prayala destroyed according to its key, thats beyond the ordery of the worlds

 

[Takazuka]

funny it doesnt just say creation either as it ireclty states in the key to be "all creation" which is also an implication of the moniter sphere, you fail to give evidence that isnt the cae while i have.

 

[Zensum]

Higher Dimensions =\= higher domains that's the issue. These higher spatial/temp dimensions are all apart of the multiverse and that is what is being destroyed which is why the feat is rated high 1-B. The monitor sphere domain exists above this per multiversity map. Destroying all of Creation statements mean nothing after tier 2 without concrete contextual evidence.

 

[Nether_nine]

How do you know that was just an Avatar of Pralaya?

Oh, and the Monitor Sphere is below the Source Wall. Which contains all of Creation. DC's Multiverse contains both 1-A and High-1B and below realms in it.

 

[Zensum]

Because she states this.

Ok.

 

[Hykuu]

I agree with zensum, the key is getting erased in my thread anyway

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

yes at best with world tree and in god form he should recieve 1-A and with all that only guys like michael demiurgos can destory the world tree

 

[Antvasima]

@Zensum & Hykuu

What do you think that we should do here and why?

 

[Zensum]

This topic was concluded a while ago in another thread. So this can probably be closed now.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.