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I'm not entirely sure but option B seems alright to me.
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Superman (Rebirth) 2-A removal
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Still Option B.
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If we have to go with one then B with 6D stars makes more sense (to me) than calling it an outlier.
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Prom basically agreed more with AKM regarding the outcome of the statistics iirc. Her saying that as massive one time power up all the way to 1-A based on something extremely situation that is more or less only available inside a very specific realm seems to have too many situational requirements to really be seen as giving a key for. SomebodyData also agrees with AKM iirc.
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Okay. Thank you.
Our current tally seems to be the following then:
A: Antvasima, AKM sama, DarkDragonMedeus, Firestorm808, Promestein, SomebodyData, (Jibz)
B: Elizhaa, KLOL506, The_Impress, Qawsedf234, LordGriffin1000, Confluctor, Tllmbrg, (Kulf_Boba), (Greenshifter), (XXKINGXX69), (Hellbeast), (Bobsican), (Pikaman)
Neutral to Both: Damage3245
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I got permission to post from Ant here.
I agree with option B, this is basically exactly what happened. Calling it an outlier wouldn't make sense considering his mere level of existence is way beyond his usual level of existence, there were even references to being inside the sixth dimension and how weird of a realm it is while he was still winding up the punch. Similar to getting boomtube amped but on a much higher scale since Mxy states no-one can even exist in the sixth dimension (without outside help). This would also give a range upgrade to Mxy as DDM brought up earlier. Whether this is noteworthy of an extra key or not is certainly up for debate since we don't allow boomtube-amped keys, but I personally don't mind a key since the feat is pretty notorious.
I agree with option B, this is basically exactly what happened. Calling it an outlier wouldn't make sense considering his mere level of existence is way beyond his usual level of existence, there were even references to being inside the sixth dimension and how weird of a realm it is while he was still winding up the punch. Similar to getting boomtube amped but on a much higher scale since Mxy states no-one can even exist in the sixth dimension (without outside help). This would also give a range upgrade to Mxy as DDM brought up earlier. Whether this is noteworthy of an extra key or not is certainly up for debate since we don't allow boomtube-amped keys, but I personally don't mind a key since the feat is pretty notorious.
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Put me for the option where legitimate feat isn't called an outlier. B
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I vote B
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For the record this isn't what option A is, Option A as Ant states it, is "feat's an outlier"
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I saw Option A as less of what reason "It's and outlier or it's an extremely situational power up" and more like Option A means we remove Superman's key (Regardless of whether or not it is an outlier or that the multiple steps situational statuses means we shouldn't be giving Superman credit at all) where as Option B is we keep the key getting upgraded to 1-A and make it say, "When amplified by Mr Mxy, teleported to the 6th dimension, and taking dives in multiple 6-dimension sun cores set up in place by Batman who is also amplified by Mr Mxy, teleported to the 6th dimension, and made use of a 6 dimensional sun moving machine".
Option A IMO just seemed like not giving a key where as Option B sounds like giving him an extremely mouthful key. If that wasn't the case, that's honestly how I think it should have been reworded for each option.
Option A IMO just seemed like not giving a key where as Option B sounds like giving him an extremely mouthful key. If that wasn't the case, that's honestly how I think it should have been reworded for each option.
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Keys are mouthful, that's what typically make them distinct enough to be worth listed separate., and for the record in terms of naming we'll list it the arc name, that's how these "forms" are typically listed by comic convention.
In general can we resolve one topic before shoving in another? We'd still have to add a note to the damn file even if you reject it, and opposition keeps shifting between two different narratives, resolve neither, and this is how this thread hit 5 damn pages.
Pick one to discuss first, otherwise this is basically agenda rallying where people against the key are arguing for separate reasons why the key shouldn't be there, and these two collection of separate points is why the opposition pool ends up looking big, the folks can very well not agree, or at least not care, on the claims the others are making.
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I added you, but in the end, our staff are the ones who will decide what to do here, and so far the results seem inconclusive.
Does anybody here have suggestions for how to solve this problem?
Does anybody here have suggestions for how to solve this problem?
Bobsican
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We could do a compromise and just list the tier 1 stuff as "likely", as while it's likely to not be an outlier for our purposes given the current consensus, it seems that out of some still considering it as such it can be said to not be tier 1 for sure, hence "likely".
For the record, I lean towards B.
For the record, I lean towards B.
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My agenda-rallying points aren’t addressed btw :v
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I added the new votes to our tally.
So, an extra key for which it is properly explained that these were very specific circumstances, and that Superman cannot remotely just power up to tier 1-A (or 1-B) whenever he feels like, then?
I suppose that may be the best solution, in lack of better options, yes.
So, an extra key for which it is properly explained that these were very specific circumstances, and that Superman cannot remotely just power up to tier 1-A (or 1-B) whenever he feels like, then?
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What are you talking about?
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That unassociated issues, like DDM and Prom's issues with key relevance are getting equalized with AKM's outlier assertions to boost up option A's support
Pikaman
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My 2 cents is likely not worth much as
A: I’m a “blue name”
B: I’m still relatively new to discussion on this site, and on battle-boards as a whole
C: I have never even dipped my toes in comics before
but just from my own common sense standpoint, B seems way better here
Feel free to delete if I’ve overstepped boundaries here
A: I’m a “blue name”
B: I’m still relatively new to discussion on this site, and on battle-boards as a whole
C: I have never even dipped my toes in comics before
but just from my own common sense standpoint, B seems way better here
Feel free to delete if I’ve overstepped boundaries here
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Hmm. I simply went with what I understood of what Medeus told me though.
No problem. I will add you, but only with a parenthesis, as this is a staff forum thread. My apologies.
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Anyway, what about this? Should we use "Likely" before the 1-A statistics in combination with a footnote explanation, or just an explanation, without any "Likely"?
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Perhaps you should unban Amelia? I think case of her vs AKM is off now, so she may contribute a vote.
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Amelia's busy with her IRL job regardless, so she's not free to input
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I think her thread ban was actually lifted a while back, but Amelia has since said she doesn't want to get involved iirc. But that shouldn't be talked about publicly.
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That's a worse option than both of the options we are talking about honestly. Superman is not "likely" at that level. Either he is at that level in a special key or it is an outlier boost. Likely makes no sense here.
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@AKM sama @DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808 @Promestein @SomebodyData @Elizhaa @KLOL506 @The_Impress @Qawsedf234 @LordGriffin1000 @Confluctor @Tllmbrg
Since this important discussion thread remains inconclusive, is it fine if we apply option B here, in lack of better solutions? It is still much preferable to the current state of this character profile page, as it currently seems like Superman can power up in this manner any time that he wants to.
Since this important discussion thread remains inconclusive, is it fine if we apply option B here, in lack of better solutions? It is still much preferable to the current state of this character profile page, as it currently seems like Superman can power up in this manner any time that he wants to.
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