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Superman (Rebirth) 2-A removal
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What are the arguments for and against 1-A Sixth Dimension?
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That’s not what this thread is about, but regarding an accurate scaling of the Sixth Dimension, the notion of 1-A is laughable, which is why DC is getting revised soon (we’ll at least part of it)
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That second post gave me Dyspo flashbacks.
This level of strength for Superman sounds really specific to the circumstances at play, wouldn't there be an issue with how practical actually having this on his page would be? By the context I'm getting, the page would have to be something like, "Up to 1-A with Absorption, in a dimension with a different vibrational frequency and X amount of stars"?
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Well, as we mentioned previously, Mxyzptlk had to charge Superman for years in order to elevate him to the 6th Dimension, and then he absorbed power from stars at that level created by some kind of wishing machine there. So if we are not treating this as an outlier, because Superman in the past has never demonstrated anything beyond a High 4-C or 4-B scale, regardless if he has been supercharged via absorbing energy or not, then we definitely need to properly explain the cirumstances, so people do not think that Superman can charge himself to tier 1-A whenever he feels like it. His stories would all be extremely brief without any struggle if he could.
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Can somebody write a list of all the members here that have agreed with each option please?
Meaning:
A: It is a ridiculously extreme outlier that is irreconcilable with the overall narrative of Superman.
B: Very special circumstances were in effect here, and this should be specified in the relevant character profile page.
Meaning:
A: It is a ridiculously extreme outlier that is irreconcilable with the overall narrative of Superman.
B: Very special circumstances were in effect here, and this should be specified in the relevant character profile page.
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You forgot to add to B that it also leads to three different events as Zark noted...
This is all I have left to say. I am neutral with how the feat is treated, with a slight lean towards agreeing to Sir Ovens, Confluctor, Zark and co.
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I would still appreciate help with this. Thanks in advance.
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As I mentioned in my previous post, I don't think Mxy elevated Superman.
Hellbeast
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Bluename but I'm about the same
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So how would you prefer to handle this then? It is blatantly untrue that Superman can power up to 1-A/1-B whenever he stands inside of a star.
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I don't know how it should be handled, but the way SomebodyData worded it sounds most accurate to me. It's a very situational thing where he first needs to be teleported to the 6th dimension, and then he needs to absorb stellar energy from said dimension to get those power ups. 6th Dimension in general is functioned in a way where everyone becomes upper dimensional tier including Batman level characters.
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Not disagreeing but, why is that 1-A?
STAFF ONLY! And some knowledgeable members
Currently, we have this for his file;
Superman (Rebirth)
Superman, also known as Clark Kent and Kal-El, is a Kryptonian superhero. Though born of the planet Krypton, he was sent away in a spaceship as a baby to save him from his home planet's destruction. His spaceship landed on Earth in Smallville, Kansas where he was found and adopted by Jonathan...vsbattles.fandom.com
The problem with this is that he beat World Forger in the Sixth Dimension, thus it is a 1-A feat. Even if you wanna argue something lower, it will be at least a 1-B feat.
So, we should probably use this thread to find out what to do with him and this statistic of his. Upgrade him all the way to 1-A, or remove it and consider it an outlier?
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So which of the solutions above should we go with? Can somebody write a list of all the staff members who responded to this thread earlier, so I can ask them which of the two options that they prefer, in order to get a tally, please?
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After looking at the previous examples of Superman's Solar Absorbtion, I attribute Superman punching World Forger after dipping in at most a Galaxy's worth of stars to PIS. His exposure to the stars would have been less than 30 minutes.
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Okay. Thank you for the evaluation.
Would you or somebody else here be willing to help me with this please?
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How does the time frame matter when he says the star gave him a bigger amp then he ever felt lol
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Talk about it in DMs, not here
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I mean, it's not too big of an issue if done on occasion or if "lol" is used in context of referencing something funny. Though, it's more so the laughing at someone's face and/or doing it a lot is where it becomes problematic.
But anyway, it is true that spending a lot of time inside a single star would logically amp him more than just spending a bit of time inside multiple stars; especially since he does technically use just a tiny portion of it just from fly from star A to star B and the albeit brief times it takes him to travel those distances would normally be subtracted from the times inside the respective stars.
As for the staff who responded: Confluctor, LordGriffin1000, Armorchompy, Amelia_Lonelyheart, Tllmbrg, Planck69, Eficiente, SomebodyData, The_Impress, AKM sama, Damage3245, Elizhaa, Firestorm808, QuasiYuri, Sir_Ovens, Qawsedf234, Promestein, Mr._Bambu, KLOL506.
I know AKM is sick iirc and needs a break, and Amelia sounds like she doesn't want to continue further, but I gathered the names of staff who posted on the thread; excluding Hop who simply asked to keep him out of the thread.
But anyway, it is true that spending a lot of time inside a single star would logically amp him more than just spending a bit of time inside multiple stars; especially since he does technically use just a tiny portion of it just from fly from star A to star B and the albeit brief times it takes him to travel those distances would normally be subtracted from the times inside the respective stars.
As for the staff who responded: Confluctor, LordGriffin1000, Armorchompy, Amelia_Lonelyheart, Tllmbrg, Planck69, Eficiente, SomebodyData, The_Impress, AKM sama, Damage3245, Elizhaa, Firestorm808, QuasiYuri, Sir_Ovens, Qawsedf234, Promestein, Mr._Bambu, KLOL506.
I know AKM is sick iirc and needs a break, and Amelia sounds like she doesn't want to continue further, but I gathered the names of staff who posted on the thread; excluding Hop who simply asked to keep him out of the thread.
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Okay. Thank you for helping out.
@Confluctor @LordGriffin1000 @Armorchompy @Tllmbrg @Planck69 @Eficiente @SomebodyData @The_Impress @AKM sama @Damage3245 @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @QuasiYuri @Sir_Ovens @Qawsedf234 @Promestein @Mr._Bambu @KLOL506 @DarkDragonMedeus
Which of the following options/solutions do you think seems best for us to use?
A: Giving the 1-A World Forger a black eye from some sun dips, that have never remotely powered up Superman to anywhere near this degree previously, is a ridiculously extreme outlier that is irreconcilable with the overall narrative of the character, as he could have ended virtually every single world-threatening conflict that he has ever been involved in with extreme ease otherwise.
B: Very special circumstances were in effect here. More specifically, Mxyzptlk had imbued Superman with power for years in order to send him to the 6th Dimension, which is a higher order of existence, and Superman then powered up further via 6th Dimensional stars, created by a wishing machine, and this should be specified in a special statistics key in his character profile page.
I would personally prefer option A, but consider option B acceptable as well.
@Confluctor @LordGriffin1000 @Armorchompy @Tllmbrg @Planck69 @Eficiente @SomebodyData @The_Impress @AKM sama @Damage3245 @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @QuasiYuri @Sir_Ovens @Qawsedf234 @Promestein @Mr._Bambu @KLOL506 @DarkDragonMedeus
Which of the following options/solutions do you think seems best for us to use?
A: Giving the 1-A World Forger a black eye from some sun dips, that have never remotely powered up Superman to anywhere near this degree previously, is a ridiculously extreme outlier that is irreconcilable with the overall narrative of the character, as he could have ended virtually every single world-threatening conflict that he has ever been involved in with extreme ease otherwise.
B: Very special circumstances were in effect here. More specifically, Mxyzptlk had imbued Superman with power for years in order to send him to the 6th Dimension, which is a higher order of existence, and Superman then powered up further via 6th Dimensional stars, created by a wishing machine, and this should be specified in a special statistics key in his character profile page.
I would personally prefer option A, but consider option B acceptable as well.
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Those don't seem like entirely unbiased summaries, lol.
But I get what you mean; it seems like special circumstances were in effect here either way so I don't think it should be part of his normal statistics. It being a separate key for this one instance seems fine though.
But I get what you mean; it seems like special circumstances were in effect here either way so I don't think it should be part of his normal statistics. It being a separate key for this one instance seems fine though.
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I agree with this view.
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I've already spoken in favor of option A.
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Thank you for the reply.
Can somebody please try to index which staff members that agree with what here? I would greatly appreciate the help, so we can get somewhere with this, as I am far too stressed out and overworked to handle it myself right now.
Can somebody please try to index which staff members that agree with what here? I would greatly appreciate the help, so we can get somewhere with this, as I am far too stressed out and overworked to handle it myself right now.
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It would be a key removal outright either way since it's not a feat for Superman but just a feat for the 6th Dimension specifically. Which kind of in a way counts as both, but I prefer removing the key/rating outright. So perhaps Option A. But I'd instead make it a range feat for Mr Mxyzptlk
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I lean toward A and am neutral to B.
Current Tally:
A: @Antvasima @AKM sama @DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808
B: @Damage3245 @Elizhaa @KLOL506
Neutral to Both: @Damage3245
Current Tally:
A: @Antvasima @AKM sama @DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808
B: @Damage3245 @Elizhaa @KLOL506
Neutral to Both: @Damage3245
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Put me down as neutral overall. I don't mind which way this goes now.
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@Confluctor @LordGriffin1000 @Armorchompy @Tllmbrg @Planck69 @Eficiente @SomebodyData @The_Impress @QuasiYuri @Sir_Ovens @Qawsedf234 @Promestein @Mr._Bambu
In order to try to not push through option A unfairly, I am giving you another chance to comment here, and would appreciate if you take it.
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